ESPN's Hollinger: 1981 ECFs = Best Ever!

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    ESPN's Hollinger: 1981 ECFs = Best Ever!

    Bird vs. Erving was great theater, indeed:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2011/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=greatestseries-1-5

    Running the risk of falling into the "older is always better than the new camp," I wonder where SoBe's fraudulent Big 3 would stack up in the EC during the '81 campaign.  To say they would be a distant 3rd to Boston and Philly is an understatement.

    A young Boston Big 3 of Bird, Parish, and McHale would own the boards against Spoelstra's vertically challenged "big men."  And what did one Pat Riley (I hate giving credit where it is due) say about rebounding?...no rebounds = no rings!

    Sometimes it is fair to compare/constrast teams from different eras.  It separates Champions (Larry's 1st title team) from media creations (SoBe).

    Agree or no...

       

     
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    ah, now there are some great memories.....I remember those games well.....in '81, I was a 30 year old diehard Celtic fan....coming back from a 3-1 deficit was great....and, of course, beating the Lakers was always a thrill.....my Laker buddies could only shake their heads....they thought Showtime was unbeatable....Boston thought that they could run with LA....they soon found out just how fast the Laker team was...but it was also a finesse team....Boston played tougher and came away with the win...but the Showtime Lakers have to be rated up there with the great teams...no question!!!
     
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    Er, sorry Duke, but the Celtics did not beat the Showtime Lakers in 1981.  After overcoming the 3-1 deficit against Dr J and the Sixers, the Celtics defeated the Rockets in the finals in 6 for the first title of the Bird era.
     
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    [QUOTE]Er, sorry Duke, but the Celtics did not beat the Showtime Lakers in 1981.  After overcoming the 3-1 deficit against Dr J and the Sixers, the Celtics defeated the Rockets in the finals in 6 for the first title of the Bird era.
    Posted by edag[/QUOTE]

    I've got the DVD of that game 7... it's an incredible game;-)

     
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    There is no way the best 3 players from the '81 Sixers are better than the 3 guys on the Heat.

    But that TEAM would have rocked Miami... as they went 9 deep with talent.

    Dr. J
    Darryl Dawkins
    Bobby Jones
    Mo Cheeks
    Andrew Toney
    Steve Mix
    Doug Collins
    Lionel Hollins
    Caldwell Jones

    Mo Cheeks was a young 9p-7a PG that year.

    If you take the 3 best players on the 1983 champion 76ers... that being league MVP 24p-15r Moses Malone, w/ Dr. J and 1st time all-star Mo Cheeks... well I'd take that trio over almost any in the history of the game.
     
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    [QUOTE]ah, now there are some great memories.....I remember those games well.....in '81, I was a 30 year old diehard Celtic fan....coming back from a 3-1 deficit was great....and, of course, beating the Lakers was always a thrill.....my Laker buddies could only shake their heads....they thought Showtime was unbeatable....Boston thought that they could run with LA....they soon found out just how fast the Laker team was...but it was also a finesse team....Boston played tougher and came away with the win...but the Showtime Lakers have to be rated up there with the great teams...no question!!!
    Posted by Duke4[/QUOTE]

    Wrong again huh dukey! What a numpty!!
     
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    [QUOTE]There is no way the best 3 players from the '81 Sixers are better than the 3 guys on the Heat. But that TEAM would have rocked Miami... as they went 9 deep with talent. Dr. J Darryl Dawkins Bobby Jones Mo Cheeks Andrew Toney Steve Mix Doug Collins Lionel Hollins Caldwell Jones Mo Cheeks was a young 9p-7a PG that year. If you take the 3 best players on the 1983 champion 76ers... that being league MVP 24p-15r Moses Malone, w/ Dr. J and 1st time all-star Mo Cheeks... well I'd take that trio over almost any in the history of the game.
    Posted by rameakap[/QUOTE]

    That team, the Celtics OR Lakers of the 80's, maybe even the Bucs with Lanier would easily beat the Heat!!  Mavs?  Probably!
     
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    There is no doubt about it.  The Celtics and the Lakers of the mid eighties would have beaten the Bulls or any other team of any era.   That was the peak of the sport.
     
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    [QUOTE]Er, sorry Duke, but the Celtics did not beat the Showtime Lakers in 1981.  After overcoming the 3-1 deficit against Dr J and the Sixers, the Celtics defeated the Rockets in the finals in 6 for the first title of the Bird era.
    Posted by edag[/QUOTE]
     
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    No, I was referring to the fact that 2 of the 5 series Hollinger wrote about involved the  Celtics.....in '81 they beat Philly before taking out Houston.....in '84 they beat the Lakers....he also points out an important fact (paraphrasing here)....he refers to an unlikely hero for Boston in game 7 vs LA....Cedric Maxwell, who was the star of that game seven.....the same Maxwell who was the Finals MVP in '81....Max was a great guy and a very underrated player, both on offense and defense...loved him....finally go to meet him and spent some quality time together about 10 years later...sorry, I should've made myself clearer...oh, and I see Lakernation made a comment...he/she is on ignore so I didn't see it....but I bet it was really creative huh....? ....that kid is so damn funny.....

     
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    [QUOTE]No, I was referring to the fact that 2 of the 5 series Hollinger wrote about involved the  Celtics.....in '81 they beat Philly before taking out Houston.....in '84 they beat the Lakers....he also points out an important fact (paraphrasing here)....he refers to an unlikely hero for Boston in game 7 vs LA....Cedric Maxwell, who was the star of that game seven.....the same Maxwell who was the Finals MVP in '81....Max was a great guy and a very underrated player, both on offense and defense...loved him....finally go to meet him and spent some quality time together about 10 years later...sorry, I should've made myself clearer...oh, and I see Lakernation made a comment...he/she is on ignore so I didn't see it....but I bet it was really creative huh....? ....that kid is so damn funny.....
    Posted by Duke4[/QUOTE]
     
      Now your learning how to avoid those that bring nothing to the table!

      "...he/she is on ignore so I didn't see it"

      Good for you.

      Seems
     
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    Rico I was waiting for this.....so....

    1-you are a Laker fan not a Celtic fan....everyone on the board knows this and I'm ok with it

    2-that article was the same one posted on this board that started this whole pissing match a year ago.....the article is one (Laker) fan's opinion.....he is entitled to his opinion as are we....we've poked enough holes into this thread so no sense going there

    3-none of us said that we agreed with his article...at least I didn't....I said that I have fond memories of both of the Celtic series' he writes about...

    4-finally.....you just have to keep it going....and pretending to be a Celtic fan....well. that's just juvenile but now I see we have a few more fans from both sides, who shall remain anonymous doing the same thing...so....I have to buddy....I just have to....

    Celts 17-4 .809....Lakers 16-15 .516 (modern era 11-15 .423)

    Celts 9 Lakers 3

    since both teams play in different conferences, the only way to rank them is (1) by how they fare when they get to the finals........Celtics dominate.....Lakers lose almost as often as they win.....and (2) how they fare head to head....again....Celtics dominate once again.....sorry but you made me do it again pal....I try to play nice but you just keep trying to turn the screw....
     
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    [QUOTE]Wrong again Duke, I am a C's fan. I'm just saying Hollinger is an IDIOT and I don't agree with everything he writes. That is all. Again I am a C's fan and don't have to prove it to anyone, I just refuse to be a Tommy Heinsohn corny lame excusing conspiracy theory green glasses type of fan. Any one can love the C's as much as me but no one can Love them more than me. And Yes I can't stand Tommy Heinsohn as a commentator to much of a homer and idiot for my taste. I see things the way they are and not how I wish they were. Who the heck can like a schizophrenic idiot who doesn't let you watch the game with these childish outburst???????????????????????????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjU3nvru9wA You can clearly see the Pierce foul wasn't even a hard foul, yes Pierce fell because he is not athletic and hit his mouth but it was not to get a heart attack over it. Tommy makes my blood pressure go high.
    Posted by RicoCeltic[/QUOTE]

    Rico is about as much a Celtics fan.... as I am a Rondo fan.

    No big deal.

    Pud
     
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    Hollinger has some decent insight but is by no means the be all , end all in sports opinion/thought. The guy thought the Heat were the best team all year long when everyone else saw a Heat team struggle , going up and down all year. Then turn it up against the Celts/Bulls then choke away the title.
     
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    Top 10 Teams in NBA History
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    Showtime.
    72-10.
    "Fo', Fo', Fo'."
    Thirty-three consecutive wins.
    "Havlicek stole the ball!"

    So legendary are the teams that comprise the Top 10 Teams in NBA History, it only takes one of the above phrases to evoke a spate of memories. The Top 10 Teams were selected in 1996 by a panel of media members who regularly cover the NBA. Voters were asked to select the top 10 teams in NBA history, without ranking them, as part of the NBA at 50 celebration during the '96-97 season.

    The 10 teams selected averaged 66 wins per season (for an .805 winning percentage) and all went on to win the NBA Championship. Three teams were selected from the 1960s, one from the 1970s, four from the 1980s and two from the 1990s.

    www.nba.com/images/reddot.gif" border="0" alt="" width="5" height="5" /> The Top 10 Teams in NBA History
    (chronological order)

    www.nba.com/history/65celtics.html">1964-65 Boston Celtics62 - 18(.775)
    Led by Bill Russell, Sam Jones, John Havlicek, Tom Sanders and Tom Heinsohn...Broke its own league record for most victories in a season and went on to win the Celtics' seventh consecutive NBA championship...Battled the Philadelphia 76ers in an East Finals for the ages, winning Game Seven 110-109; John Havlicek's deflection at game's end produced the legendary "Havlicek stole the ball!" radio call from Celtics broadcaster Johnny Most...Defeated the L.A. Lakers 4-1 in 1965 NBA Finals.
     
    www.nba.com/history/67sixers.html">1966-67 Philadelphia 76ers68 - 13(.840)
    Propelled by Wilt Chamberlain, Hal Greer, Chet Walker and Billy Cunningham, started the season 46-4 and went on to set record for most victories in a season (broken by 1971-72 L.A. Lakers)...Ended Celtics' run of eight consecutive championships by defeating Boston 4-1 in Eastern Division Finals...Defeated the San Francisco Warriors 4-2 in 1967 NBA Finals.
     
    www.nba.com/history/70knicks.html">1969-70 New York Knicks60 - 22(.732)
    Willis Reed, Walt Frazier, Dick Barnett, Dave DeBusschere, Bill Bradley and Cazzie Russell starred for one of the best passing teams in NBA history...Captured New York's first NBA Championship by defeating Los Angeles 4-3 in the memorable 1970 NBA Finals...Captain Willis Reed, who missed Game Six due to a torn leg muscle, hobbled onto the Madison Square Garden floor before Game Seven and scored New York's first two baskets to inspire the Knicks to a 113-99 victory.
     
    www.nba.com/history/72lakers.html">1971-72 L.A. Lakers69 - 13(.841)
    Gail Goodrich, Jerry West, Wilt Chamberlain, Jim McMillian and Happy Hairston combined to bring Lakers their first championship of the Los Angeles era...Broke Philadelphia's 1966-67 record for wins in a season (broken by Chicago in 1995-96), at one point winning 33 consecutive games, a record that still stands...Won NBA record 16 consecutive road games...Best road winning percentage in NBA history (.816; 31-7)...Defeated New York 4-1 in 1972 NBA Finals.
     
    www.nba.com/history/83sixers.html">1982-83 Philadelphia 76ers65 - 17(.793)
    Moses Malone joined the 76ers as a free agent and teamed with Julius Erving, Andrew Toney, Maurice Cheeks and Bobby Jones to bring the 76ers their first title in 16 seasons...Malone proclaimed the 76ers would sweep through the NBA Playoffs in "Fo', Fo', Fo'" and he wasn't far off as Philadelphia cruised in "Fo', Fi', Fo'" to post the best winning percentage in NBA Playoffs history at .923 (12-1).
     
    www.nba.com/history/86celtics.html">1985-86 Boston Celtics67 - 15(.817)
    Stung by a 4-2 loss to the L.A. Lakers in the 1985 NBA Finals, Larry Bird led the Celtics featuring Robert Parish, Kevin McHale, Dennis Johnson, Danny Ainge and a rejuvenated Bill Walton to the best record in franchise history and a 4-2 defeat of Houston in the 1986 NBA Finals...Posted 40-1 record at Boston Garden, best home winning percentage (.976) in NBA history...Fifth-best overall winning percentage ever (.817).
     
    www.nba.com/history/87lakers.html">1986-87 L.A. Lakers65 - 17(.793)
    The Lakers recaptured their place atop the NBA thanks to the "Showtime" fast-break style spearheaded by Earvin "Magic" Johnson and teammates Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, James Worthy, Byron Scott, A.C. Green and Michael Cooper...Johnson averaged a career-best 23.9 points per game and led the league in assists with a 12.2 average...Lakers defeated Boston 4-2 in the 1987 NBA Finals after winning 11 of their first 12 games in the playoffs.
     
    www.nba.com/history/89pistons.html">1988-89 Detroit Pistons63 - 19(.768)
    Isiah Thomas, Bill Laimbeer, Joe Dumars, Mark Aguirre, Vinnie Johnson and Dennis Rodman combined to form the heart of one of the strongest defensive teams in the modern era...Lacking a dominant center, Pistons featured a potent three-guard rotation and a deep bench that rebounded and defended relentlessly...Pistons were 15-2 in 1989 playoffs, including 4-0 sweep of L.A. Lakers in 1989 NBA Finals.
     
    1991-92 Chicago Bulls67 - 15(.817)
    Michael Jordan dominated the NBA and received strong support from teammates Scottie Pippen, Horace Grant, B.J. Armstrong, Bill Cartwright and John Paxson...Topped previous championship season by winning six more games than in 1990-91, the fifth-winningest season in league history...Defeated the Portland Trail Blazers 4-2 in 1992 NBA Finals.
     
    www.nba.com/history/96bulls.html">1995-96 Chicago Bulls72 - 10(.878)
    Featuring Superman (Michael Jordan), Batman (Scottie Pippen) and Rodman (Dennis Rodman), Bulls shattered record for most wins in a regular season...Won 87 of 100 games, including the playoffs...Ron Harper, Luc Longley, Toni Kukoc and Steve Kerr rounded out core of driven team that featured triangle offense...Started season an amazing 41-3...Jordan's first full season since returning from retirement.

     
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    [QUOTE]Bird vs. Erving was great theater, indeed: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2011/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=greatestseries-1-5 Running the risk of falling into the "older is always better than the new camp," I wonder where SoBe's fraudulent Big 3 would stack up in the EC during the '81 campaign.  To say they would be a distant 3rd to Boston and Philly is an understatement. A young Boston Big 3 of Bird, Parish, and McHale would own the boards against Spoelstra's vertically challenged "big men."  And what did one Pat Riley (I hate giving credit where it is due) say about rebounding?...no rebounds = no rings! Sometimes it is fair to compare/constrast teams from different eras.  It separates Champions (Larry's 1st title team) from media creations (SoBe). Agree or no...    
    Posted by texasCELTICfan[/QUOTE]

    The big 3 was Bird, Chief and Maxwell. Mchale came off the bench. Believe me he contributed but don't forget Max was the starter. And the MVP in the finals. I was at game 4 in Philly when the Celts came back from like 16 or 18 down and took the lead.Then it was back and forth until Bobby Jones stole the ball at the end. I was devastated. But then I thought of 68 when they came back againt Philly down 3 to 1. Game 5 Cheeks misses the game with a migraine, the Sixers blow a 6 point lead in like less then 2 minutes. Boston fans were congratulating GM Pat Williams and saying good luck against Houston. Game 6 down big they come back to win by 2 again. And Game 7 you could see Philly hearing footsteps at the end. Too bad we couldn't duplicate it in 82. I will always remember this as maybe the best Celtic series ever even though there were no OT's. Up to that point it was the greatest sports comeback in Boston history until 2004. 1986 vs. the Angels was shocking and great but after they won that incredible "Hendu" game in Anahiem it was a blow out in Boston the next two games. 2004 was 3 straight close nail biters as was the 81 series vs. the Sixers. I remember game 6 was on tape delay then so it started at like 10 or 11 before the game ended and the local TV news guy named Larry Kane announced in a news update...."It looks like the Sixers are going to the finals" OOOOOOOPS! I loved the 84 finals which was my favorite team but this series was the best and my favorite. I believe it was Dick Stockton and Kevin Loughery doing it on CBS.
     
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    Big difference between the Celtics big three in 1986 and the Heat in 2011 is the fact that Bird, McHale and Parrish lived in the post. All three Heat appear to hate going into the post. It is really hard to win it all if none of your studs want to post up. Hard to remember any team in NBA history to win it all without their star posting up.  Hakeem, Shaq, Gasol, Jordan, Bird, Duncan, Kareem, and now Dirk. In fact the Heat are trying to be the only team in the history of the league to win it all when their main gun will not post up.
     
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