Even turner to celtics

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    I have not seen the exact deal.  I don't think it is out yet.  I suspect it will be short or with player options.

     
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    Not sure how I feel about this move yet. Need to see what else happens. On one hand, I like Turners ability to play point forward and be a playmaker as well as being a post player. He seemed to always kill the celtics when he played us. On the other hand, they gave him lots of room in philly to take lots of shots and not sure how efficient he would be in a lesser role. Right now his position is taken so I have to know what Danny's plan is before I pass judgement. Right now we are team full of different players with no real direction. Too many wings so something has to be in the works, no?

     

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    I prefer Jeff Green to Evan Turner.

     

    I understand that im in the minority on this.

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    IF they both are playing to potential, I like Green too but he comes and goes too much for me. Evan, him being the lesser player seems to play with more hunger which translates to more production. Green is an enigma to me right now. I really wanted to like him too. Just think he checks out too easily and for this team, he isnt a fit cuz we arent a contender. If he never had the heart problem, I believe he helps that team w/Rondo/KG/Pierce....being the man? Not his thing.

     
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    Evan Turner has one of the best agents, David Falk, in pro sports.


     


    It would not be in Turner's best interest if he signed with Boston and the Celts have Jeff Green starting at SF.


     


    I think Jeff Green is good as gone.


     


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    Yes it does not make sense unless Ainge has a wink and a nod with Turner and Falk that Green is going to be traded and Turner will be the starting SF with lots of playing time.  Turner is playing for less money but he wants playing time to prove himself for the next contract.  But then do we want him to be really good and wins a lot of games for us right now?  I guess it is a little bit of double edge sword.


     


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    If the deal is 3 years are there player or team options the 2nd and/or 3rd years?  Why would Falk the agent let him sign at a low amount if he was trying to prove himself but, has to stay 2/3 years??


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    Falk is not only Turner's agent. He's Green's agent. as well, and Sullinger's.


    He probably has a pretty good idea of what Ainge might be thinking for all his clients. He didn't steer Turner here to be dead-ended. My guess is that he's working hard to get Green out of town and then slide Turner into Green's 9+ million slot when the cap rises.

     
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    I prefer Jeff Green to Evan Turner.


     


    I understand that im in the minority on this.





    IF they both are playing to potential, I like Green too but he comes and goes too much for me. Evan, him being the lesser player seems to play with more hunger which translates to more production. Green is an enigma to me right now. I really wanted to like him too. Just think he checks out too easily and for this team, he isnt a fit cuz we arent a contender. If he never had the heart problem, I believe he helps that team w/Rondo/KG/Pierce....being the man? Not his thing.


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    Green's 'potential' isn't a true potential.


    Unless you've actually seen someone exhibit certain traits, you can't presume that he has them but is just not showing them. The traits that we see in Green are evident. He's tall, agile, jumps well, is graceful to a degree, and has learned to shoot a jump shot. No one doubts this.


    But, that Green is tall, agile, runs and jumps gracefully (as long as it's pretty much in a straight line) does not automatically and necessarily mean that he has the potential to be a great basketball player.  


    In his career he has exhibited no evidence of being attentive to detail, alert, aware, energetic, and competitive; no evidence of being a creative scorer, an even adequate ball-mover/ball handler, or a dependable rebounder and team defender. In short, he has exhibited no potential in these areas, not a glimmer.


    Sadly, his demonstrable skill set simply doesn't translate to great, winning basketball player.


    I believe Turner is a better choice going forward.

     
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    Jeff Green to Washington.


     



    Gerald Wallace, Martell Webster, Glen Rice Jr. to Detroit.


     


     


    Josh Smith and Marvin Ely to Boston.

     
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    Jeff Green to Washington

    Gerald Wallace, Martell Webster, Glen Rice Jr. to Detroit

    Josh Smith and Marvin Ely to Boston.

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    Oh, my!  That looks like it would work. Josh Smith for Jeff Green. I'm not sure if there's a net gain or loss in yelling at the TV. Smith is really knuckle headed but has some fire some times.

    But it does lose that Wallace salary. Can someone smarter than I tell me if paying Smith 3M per year more than Wallace's 10M makes sense?

     
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    Oh, my!  That looks like it would work. Josh Smith for Jeff Green. I'm not sure if there's a net gain or loss in yelling at the TV. Smith is really knuckle headed but has some fire some times.

    But it does lose that Wallace salary. Can someone smarter than I tell me if paying Smith 3M per year more than Wallace's 10M makes sense?

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    No, it doesn't make sense.

    Josh Smith is a PF who's going to make 13.5m per year until 2017.

    Celts already have 3 PFs, Sully, Oly, and Bass.

     
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    Oh, my!  That looks like it would work. Josh Smith for Jeff Green. I'm not sure if there's a net gain or loss in yelling at the TV. Smith is really knuckle headed but has some fire some times.

    But it does lose that Wallace salary. Can someone smarter than I tell me if paying Smith 3M per year more than Wallace's 10M makes sense?

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    No, it doesn't make sense.

    Josh Smith is a PF who's going to make 13.5m per year until 2017.

    Celts already have 3 PFs, Sully, Oly, and Bass.

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    I see what you mean but Ainge just signed Turner with seemingly unmovable (or at least difficult to move) Green, Wallace, and Young.  Ainge is a little all over the place and unpredictable at this moment.

     
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    He actually shot 50% from 3 in Indiana. But his game is not suited to being crammed into 20 mins like it was in Indy. He also should not be taking the 15 attempts he needed to score 17 points this past season when in Philly.

    If some team could give him 28-32 mins as a 5th starter/6th man he can provide a bit more of an efficient smarter version of his 2011-2013 self, which 2 seasons averaged to 31 mins, 6 rebounds, 3.6 assists, 0.75 steals. And if he can provide at least his 2012 FG% (.446) with his 2013 3FG% (.365) and his 2014 FT% (83% in Philly) I could be a bit more excited about him. 

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    He could be the most consistent player on the Celts as now constituted.

     
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    Turner can't be traded for sometime after season starts, so Green would be logical choice for trade bait.  Except who wants to pay that much for Green and if those teams could have gotten Turner for a bargain basement price, why didn't they do that instead of looking to trade for Green now?

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    It would probably mean that it would be a much larger deal than just Green.

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    There was talk at one time that Danny had a taker for Green.

     
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    I think the Wiz just signed a guy named Pierce..............why would they want Green.

     

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    Just read on Yahoo Sports that Woj. is reporting that Cleveland is looking to acquire expiring contracts to facilitate Love trade.  The Celts have a bunch of those.  Perhaps Danny is getting involved in another 3-way trade with Cleveland?

     
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    Just read on Yahoo Sports that Woj. is reporting that Cleveland is looking to acquire expiring contracts to facilitate Love trade.  The Celts have a bunch of those.  Perhaps Danny is getting involved in another 3-way trade with Cleveland?

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    Just saw this we have bogans, green and I believe bass /rondo 

     
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    Just read on Yahoo Sports that Woj. is reporting that Cleveland is looking to acquire expiring contracts to facilitate Love trade.  The Celts have a bunch of those.  Perhaps Danny is getting involved in another 3-way trade with Cleveland?

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    Just saw this we have bogans, green and I believe bass /rondo 

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    Actually he is talking about deals where players can be immediately waived.  The Celts have Bognas, Baab and Johnson totaling more than $7M.

     
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    I see what you mean but Ainge just signed Turner with seemingly unmovable (or at least difficult to move) Green, Wallace, and Young.  Ainge is a little all over the place and unpredictable at this moment.

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    There's a big difference between signing a player for 3m per and trading for a player who's going to get 13.5m per until 2017.

    Evan Turner is a former #2 pick of the draft.

    At 3m per, it's worth the risk.

     
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    He is a better all around player than Jeff Green.  Green is most likely gone.  I hear the Celts have a team willing to take him.

     
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    There was talk at one time that Danny had a taker for Green.

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    Bingo!

     
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    He actually shot 50% from 3 in Indiana. But his game is not suited to being crammed into 20 mins like it was in Indy. He also should not be taking the 15 attempts he needed to score 17 points this past season when in Philly.

    If some team could give him 28-32 mins as a 5th starter/6th man he can provide a bit more of an efficient smarter version of his 2011-2013 self, which 2 seasons averaged to 31 mins, 6 rebounds, 3.6 assists, 0.75 steals. And if he can provide at least his 2012 FG% (.446) with his 2013 3FG% (.365) and his 2014 FT% (83% in Philly) I could be a bit more excited about him. 

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    He could be the most consistent player on the Celts as now constituted.

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    +1

    and he'll be the only real scorer. A player that can create his own shot and score at the rim or free throw line.

     
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    "He is a better all around player than Jeff Green. Green is most likely gone. I hear the Celts have a team willing to take him."

    Just FYI - to trade a player you typically need a few teams aggressively in pursuit of the player. 

    Yes, there was one report ONCE that there was one team who might want him - but if you have one team taking him as a favor to you, you won't get much back in return except for another dead contract. 

    I predict we are stuck with Green. I'd love to be wrong, but Ainge will not just junk Jeff Green given it's his guy. 

    I'm baffled by Ainge's strategy of late. Turner seems like a harmless signing but the Bradley signing has me scratching my head. He's eating up his own cap room with contracts that didn't need to be as expensive

       
     
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    What Ainge is doing right now shouldn't be baffling to anyone because we just lived through the same strategy last year.  He is doing the EXACT same thing. 

    He is building a team that has promising guys that don't fit together at all. When guys don't fit, they lose...a lot.  Last years team was built the same way, and Im sure there were a lot of people saying the same things, "Why isn't Ainge trying to acquire good established vets?" "Where is the shooting going to come from?" "Who is going to be the back line of defense?" 

    He knows how to tank without the players and coaches actually tanking. Build a completely unbalanced roster with glaring weaknesses, and positional gluts so that guys can still play close to their potential but it doesn't matter because they don't fit together well enough to win games.

    This offseason, (except for the fleeting flirtation with Kevin Love) is an instant replay of last years offseason.

     
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    What Ainge is doing right now shouldn't be baffling to anyone because we just lived through the same strategy last year.  He is doing the EXACT same thing. 


    He is building a team that has promising guys that don't fit together at all. When guys don't fit, they lose...a lot.  Last years team was built the same way, and Im sure there were a lot of people saying the same things, "Why isn't Ainge trying to acquire good established vets?" "Where is the shooting going to come from?" "Who is going to be the back line of defense?" 


    He knows how to tank without the players and coaches actually tanking. Build a completely unbalanced roster with glaring weaknesses, and positional gluts so that guys can still play close to their potential but it doesn't matter because they don't fit together well enough to win games.


    This offseason, (except for the fleeting flirtation with Kevin Love) is an instant replay of last years offseason.




    Aahh!   So nice to read a sensible, well-considered observation.  Thank you CGreen.


    If you can't have a supernova or two surrounded by specialists, a team of skillful players who actually know how to play the game is the next best option.


    I can see the skill and sense for the game quotient gradually increasing with the pickups of Turner and Zeller, even Thornton, an improvement over Bayless. 


    But the collecting will take time. And I'm okay with that as long as the team I root for plays tough, smart basketball.

     
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    I have no idea what  team wanted Green

     
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    The only team out there I can think of who NEEDS a third scoring option, and could use another semi-versatile wing player is OKC.  But they already traded him away. 

    It does seems like a good fit though. Their problem in the playoffs last year was that Durant, and Westbrook HAD to do all the scoring, and Jeff's perfect NBA role is as a third option who plays with guys that allow him to disappear every few games.  

    He could also be put on the best opposing wing on defense, allowing Durant to focus only on offense. He can play the four when they go small, and they wouldn't even be that small...Westbrook, Jackson, Durant, Green, Ibaka. 

    Also Durant and Green are still BFFs, so you know Durant would welcome him back.  

    They have some nice young players to offer too but I think the best we could hope for with Green is maybe something like Hasheem Thabeet, Perry Jones III and some expiring contract.  Reggie Jackson would be my target, but I doubt Green returns someone of that value, and he would bring even more redundancy to the team. 

     

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