You seem to use every post on this board to market this idea that we need to upgrade the PF spot with either: Al Jefferson, Pau Gasol, Josh Smith, or Amare. I'd personally put Millsap at the top of that list, but regardless, I'm trying to figure out the possibility. How do we get one of these guys?

Al Jefferson is 15M

Paul Gasol is 19M 

Josh Smith is 13M

Amare is 20M

Milsap is 8M

 

We have to assume that Rondo, Paul, Kevin, Jet (?) are not tradable pieces. I'd say Bradley is unlikely something that Doc/Danny would give up. Everyone else is in play. I just don't see a scenerio that would benefit us and the other team. I think Josh/Milsap are the only possibilities. Both will be FA, and we could possible get Milsap or Smith for Bass and Lee? Why would ATL or UTAH want that? Maybe Green for Milsap, but what would we do with Bass and no SF to back up Paul? Maybe Green and Bass for Big Al, but again who's going to help us rest Paul?

 

The point is, you've proposed trades before and you're pushing for this to happen, so lets see a proposal or two. Lets hash it out - maybe predict the inevitable.

Millsap and Varejao are realsitic (Millsap more than AV) and affordable targets, Varejao would cost a lot in talent and picks but is the perfect fit, far more than ANY of those other PF's mentioned.

Anyone who has followed Danny Ferry knows Smith is going nowhere until Dwight signs an extension in LA... he holds out hope of a CP3-Smith-Howard trio, with Horford possibly even staying.

Jefferson doesn't play good defense, but is taller than Millsap, gets 8-10 boards and would put us in a situation where he can ouscore Bosh and rest KG, both needed things. Would need both the Lee and Bass salaries. Both are super expensive.

Amare has even more health concerns then Al, 2 years and and INSANE 45 million after this one AND you'd have to get more salaries than Bass, Lee and 1-2 rookies/vet min guys involved to get him. no way Danny does that. Crazy chemistry concerns as well.

Gasol is a Laker and makes the same as amare.... again, fantasy.

In response to R9R's comment:

P. Gasol - Bass, Lee, and Green

Amare - Bass, Lee, and Green

Josh Smith - Bass, Lee, and another player or players

Al Jefferson - Bass, Lee, and another player or players

Millsap - Bass or Lee or both and another player or draft pick or picks

 

The key here is to get the player that their team don't want anymore.

For example, if the Knicks don't want Amare because they don't want to ruin their team chemistry and they want to dump his contract, then Amare is a possibility.

The Lakers have D'Antoni as coach now. His system doesn't rely on 2 big men on the floor at the same time. That's why the Shaq and Amare tandem didn't work in 2008. So the Lakers could help themselves by getting Green, Lee, and Bass.

If the Hawks struggle and they don't want to lose Josh Smith in the offseason, then Bass and Lee plus draft picks should do it.

Again, nothing can be done until January 15, 2013.

rame

The thread was asking Fierce. Are you Fierce too?

R9R

If it's about money then the Celts will save money, in the long run, by trading Green, Lee, and Bass for Amare.

R9R

If the Hawks struggle, Josh can be had for Lee, Bass, and other players plus picks.

Josh is the ideal and best option as the Celts can still keep Jeff Green.

I dont understand how you could possibly want Amare, especially when we have to pay him 20+ M for two more years. We can't afford that, and he's not worth it. I'd say same with Gasol. I'm really liking a deal with the Jazz, we just have to hope that they are trending out of the playoffs by January. I'm not sure what their plans will be in the off season, if they're trying to get Favors to start for them next year, keep Al or keep Millsap, but I can't see them doing all three.

 

Smith's ~13 M .. so Bass 6.5 and Lee 5, we need to give them something else. I'd hate to lose Wilcox or a Barbosa from what they've shown thus far

R9R

There's also a possibility that the Hawks will want to get rid of Al Horford's 3 years and 36m contract. If that's who the Hawks will give us then Bass, Lee, and Sully will have to be packaged as Sully and Horford are basically the same type of player.

Fierce,

Really the point of thinking this out fully is that I think you're wrong. I don't see a realistic way we upgrade our team in January to contend this year unless we can do a Millsap for Bass swap or something else that only gives up Bass, Lee and maybe Darko (who knows maybe we can get a stretch of good games from Darko and stir up some interest in him)

In response to R9R's comment:

Like I said, Amare and P. Gasol are not high on my list. What I'm saying is if they're available, the Celts should still go for it as both Amare and Pau are upgrades over Bass.

And in the long run, the Celts will save money by trading Lee, Bass, and Green for Amare or Pau.

The Jazz will want to make the playoffs. They're not the type to tank. So it's very unlikely they're going to trade Big Al or Millsap.

If the Hawks keep losing, Al Horford becomes the best option for the Celts.

In response to R9R's comment:

Like I said, this is not about trading talent, this is about a team like the Hawks, Lakers, or Knicks who want to get rid of a contract or a player. 

You are correct that if there are no other variables involved, except talent, then the Celts are not going to get anything for Bass and Lee. But if the other teams want to do an addition by subtraction, the Celts are the perfect trade partner.

If you watched the game tonight, you know Bass and KG are so weak together in the rebounding department.

In response to R9R's comment:

Good points, the other names are pretty unrealistic.

Josh Smith CANNOT be had for that package as it is clear to anyone paying attention to ferry's moves that unless Dwight is extended Smith stays.

A Millsap for Bass swap would likely have to involve a 3rd team, as Utah needs backcourt help... but if we threw in a 1st and/or Melo I can see that being enough to land a guy who may be leaving anyhow. Or throw in Lee and try to get Jefferson instead of Millsap.

Lee, Sully and picks for Varejao also makes sense for both sides, although Varejao is looking like he is playing his way out of such a deal b/c other teams could offer more. He is the perfect fit however, above anyone other big that may be on the block.

rame

Once again the post was addressed to Fierce and you replied to a post intended for Fierce. 

You really desperate for attention?

R9R started a post to 'fully' discuss how he feels you are wrong

Your childish arrogance at thinking you are the only one entitled to respond (also hypocritical considering how often you stamp your feet and say its a free country) is not appreciated or mature.

Considering how often you post the same thing OVER and OVER in multiple threads, considering this site is your life, obviously makes you the #1 target for anyone who wants to talk frontcourt upgrades to the celtics.

but considering I threw out some of the same names earlier than you and clearly know more about the situations of the teams than you, I'll give my two cents on what might be realistic and backup R9R when he calls you out on what is not.

In response to rameakap's comment:

Once again, so many words and paragraphs and you're not making any sense.

Read the title of the thread.

Really shows that you're not very bright.

And how can I be wrong when the trade deadline is still 3 months away?

rame

Maybe after the first post you can get away with it. But the other post of R9R clearly indicated it was for Fierce. But you replied to a post intended for Fierce. 

What happened to your "Who should start?" thread? Full of crickets?

HAHAHA!!!

R9R was calling you out for being 'wrong', I was kinder and just said your names were unrealstic and then mentioned the Ferry-Dwight dream when it comes to Josh smith that you repeatedly fail to bring up (or know?) when you say he is your #1 guy.

Too many words for you to read there fierce? The title of this thread implies you want something... and anyone is welcome to tell us how to get it. I think Gasol, Smith and Amare are foolish names to bring up (for now) but nobody is 'wrong' until the deadline obviously.

In response to rameakap's comment:

Like I said, mind you own business!

And I can't be wrong yet because the trade deadline hasn't passed yet!

You're just proving what I'm saying about you is true, that you're not very bright.

http://www.boston.com/community/forums/sports/celtics/on-the-front-burner/who-should-start/100/6438984

HAHAHA!!!

Seriously, rame, 3 straight posts from you on your own thread and CRICKETS!

One thing's for sure, Pierce is NOT going to be a 6th man.

Like I said, not very bright.

In response to Fiercest34's comment:

Hahahaha, so sad... nobody comes off more pathetic and petty than you, I pity the life you lead.

I rarely start threads b/c people here want to have girl fights with trolls, name call and draw negative attention to themselves for screaming controversial titles. Intelligent discussions of real Celtic issues are hard to come by on the board these days.

But my life and self-worth doesn't revolve around people responding to my comments on an internet board like yours does. I am content with my sane and intelligent opinions being put down, nobody has to say a thing, the content is what counts. 

In response to Fiercest34's comment:

Your pathetic

rame

Actions speak louder than words. You're the one who engaging me, not the other way around.

R9R makes a thread about how he thinks I'm wrong and you're the first one to respond. He wasn't talking to you! Mind your own business!

HAHAHA!!! 

In response to rameakap's comment:

Rame ... I welcome your input. I was hoping for more thought into actual trades scenerios than "trade for x"

I think you're right about Utah and needing a third team involved. But then again, with Millsap gone, they could use bass as a pure scorer off the bench. Hell, even though I'd hate to lose anything thats been so good to us so far, maybe a Bass & Barbosa for Millsap trade could work.

Millsap could be part of a solid future team of Rondo, Bradley, Green, Millsap and x. That may not sound like enough star power, but really Rondo is a super-star, bradley could develop into a star, Millsap is going to continue to improve into a star and J. Green could be that solid player one notch below.

Plus if we keep some lights-out 3point shooters on our bench, we could be a solid team without labouring through that rebuilding phase. Anyway, rondo's been shooting pretty well. Bradley will have to continue to develop his outside shooting, and Green and Millsap can both hit 3's. You throw Sullinger in there as a center against smaller teams, and thats all five players who can stretch the floor ... PLUS .... rebound.

I'm talking this way because realistically, Paul and KG might just retire after this year. Rondo is too good to retain without being a contender, so I see Millsap or a Al Jeff as a piece on that revamped team. Of course, Jeff may remain our 6th man swing man, in which case we will need somebody like PP to replace PP.

In response to Fiercest34's comment:

I agree with you.  He would be a great addition to the current Celtics team.  Isn't he also good friends with Rondo?