Forget the '04 Pistons, C's have a superstar named Rondo and will compare more to the 80's Lakers

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    Re: Forget the '04 Pistons, C's have a superstar named Rondo and will compare more to the 80's Lakers

    Superstar yes, Top 10 player of all time.  NOT EVEN CLOSE.  Magic is a once in a lifetime player, rondo is very good, but  he isnt anywhere near that level. Rondo has never avgd more than 13pts a game while magic avgd 19 thats a big difference. Thats 50% more scoring production.

    Im not hatin on  rondo, I think hes great, top 3 pg right now in the league, but you brought up the GREATEST PG OF ALL TIME. 
     
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    Superstar yes, Top 10 player of all time.  NOT EVEN CLOSE.  Magic is a once in a lifetime player, rondo is very good, but  he isnt anywhere near that level. Rondo has never avgd more than 13pts a game while magic avgd 19 thats a big difference. Thats 50% more scoring production. Im not hatin on  rondo, I think hes great, top 3 pg right now in the league, but you brought up the GREATEST PG OF ALL TIME. 
    Posted by gman101019

    Rondo is the little engine that could. You tell him can't he has to prove you wrong.

    He may be about to have a couple of monster years like Kerr did a few years ago.  Rondo in a historic sense cannot be compared to Magic but for the next two years he may have of chance to do something unprecedented in point guard play. He may not but never rule this kid out. You saw how he outplayed Wade and Lebron just by himself until game six.  He has more help this year and if we get rebounder the Celtics will be right there.
     
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    He may be about to have a couple of monster years like Kerr did a few years ago

    steve kerr? I dont get it. Steve kerr was a 3pt specialist  bench player. His career high avg was 8 ppg. Ru being sarcastic? 
     
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    In Response to Re: Forget the '04 Pistons, C's have a superstar named Rondo and will compare more to the 80's Lakers:
    In Response to Re: Forget the '04 Pistons, C's have a superstar named Rondo and will compare more to the 80's Lakers : Rondo is the little engine that could. You tell him can't he has to prove you wrong. He may be about to have a couple of monster years like Kerr did a few years ago.  Rondo in a historic sense cannot be compared to Magic but for the next two years he may have of chance to do something unprecedented in point guard play. He may not but never rule this kid out. You saw how he outplayed Wade and Lebron just by himself until game six.  He has more help this year and if we get rebounder the Celtics will be right there.
    Posted by concord27

    My bad, I meant Steve Nash.  I was not trying to be sarcastic. Two monster years like Nash when he won MVP's is what I meant. I am calling for that with Rondo to do it in his own unique way. Forgive my brain freeze. Sorry.
     
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    rameakap,

     Both the 3 point shot and Magic came into the league in 1979. For the first 7 years the 3 point attempt was pretty much a novelty shot so teams only averaged about 2 per game while shooting 26 %. Now its 18 shots per game and 35%- 36% per game. Magic's shooting less than one 3 pointer EVERY OTHER game indicates that it was not a priority shot for him in those early years. In his last 4 years he averaged 34.9% on 2.75 attempts per game.

     Seems 

     
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    Concord,

    No problem, I was just confused becuz it didnt seem like sarcasm and it made no sense and usually your posts are on point. But if u meant nash then that makes sense.

     
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     rameakap,

      "and that is something nobody cared about b/c of all the other skills he brought to the game"

     The reason That it was no big deal was because of  the fact that 3 point shooting in the early years was so insignificant as to make it statistically irrelevant. That is not the case for Rondo however since 3 point shooting as been a major factor in a game since he was in High school. Now whether or not you agree with the importance of the 3 point shot is a different matter.
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    Re: Forget the '04 Pistons, C's have a superstar named Rondo and will compare more to the 80's Lakers

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    In Response to Re: Forget the '04 Pistons, C's have a superstar named Rondo and will compare more to the 80's Lakers : Well this thread is comparing the roster of the Celtics to the 84-88 Lakers, a team that averaged 370 3 point shots a season with a PG who shot around 20% those years. The past 5 seasons the Celtics had the greatest 3 point shooter in the history of the game and another all-star who will prob be in the top 5 in 3's made all-time, and they avg'd 1,290 3 point shots a season. With a PG who shot 27%. So you are saying that the showtime Lakers style of play wouldn't work today, b/c they took one 3 pointer to every 3.5 three's the Celtics/NBA are taking today? Yet they put up about 115 a game instead of 95. Or are you saying that despite having TWO of the greatest 3 point shooters in the game on his team, Rondo's being a pass first PG with a poor 3 % was a big problem and Magic being the same style player wasn't b/c nobody took 3's? I think it was b/c Ray/PP wanted to sit and shoot 3's and Rondo was ready to run and score 110 a game that the team didn't perform as well as it could have. I think playing a style that relies less on the 3, and more on getting high % buckets, transition buckets, layups in general.... will benefit Rondo and finally he has the deep team with guys who can finish at the rim and/or create their own shots that he needs, not a halfcourt curl off picks team and that team reminds me more of the 84-88 Lakers in depth and skill than the '04 Pistons, and hopefully will play that way
    Posted by rameakap


     Don't know what your above statement has to do with my response to your below comment.

     "I had no idea Magic was such a terrible 3 point shooter, I knew it was a small part of his game... but under 20% several years? yeesh"

      I thought that I made it quite clear that I was refering to a generational difference in the importance of the 3 point shot, so I haven't a clue as to what your above post has to do with Magics 3 point shooting.
     In any event, thanks for your comments.
    Seems
     
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    rameakap,

     Hey, we've been around the block about 3 times on this subject. Each to his own opinion and I thank you for yours,

      Seems
     
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    Re: Forget the '04 Pistons, C's have a superstar named Rondo and will compare more to the 80's Lakers

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    In Response to Re: Forget the '04 Pistons, C's have a superstar named Rondo and will compare more to the 80's Lakers : Nice, yeah Nash's back is prob more of a concern that his ankles, but he is going to have some serious issues with Rondo, Westbrook and Parker, who have all owned him of late, and this was before his 39th bday and change of scenerio from comfy Phoenix and its medical staff/lott club 4 of really the only 6 title contenders (once Rose is healthy) have PG's that kill Nash and are top 5 in the league... and the cross-town Clips have the other guy in the top 5 and despite a 2nd rd ceiling are going to pester the Fakers all year
    Posted by rameakap


    Nash's back problem is congenital, and has been something he has had to manage his whole career. This assumption that it is a worrisome condition all of a sudden is something you see through green colored glasses. Nash has had less back problems late in his career, because he manages it without it effecting his play, nor does he miss time with it. He played his as* off last year in a compressed season and was healthy. The last 5 years he has played in 81, 74, 81, 75, and 62 last year, where he missed less time than Rondo.  The Lakers, despite what some here would like to think, are not stupid, they would not have made the deal if it was even 1/10 the concern you keep railing on about. 

    Nash is not going to keep the really good point guards in front of him, really, no one keeps the really great ones in front of them. The Lakers will manage just fine because they have an awesome pair of players protecting the rim behind him. The Lakers will be able to play up on their men collectively, and be more aggressive with a an elite level defensive security blanket in the paint behind them.

    The Lakers will be a better defensive team, with Nash and Howard, then they were with Fisher and Sessions, who couldn't guard anyone, because the very best defensive big man in the NBA is there to clean up the mess. Bynum was a liability guarding the pick and roll, Dwight is elite, they will be quite a bit better with one of the best athletes in the Game back there. Don't sleep on the rebounds either, this team will board on both ends with the best of the NBA.

    On the flip side, Nash is an elite NBA pick and roll point guard, because not only is he great at executing the pass, but he is one of the best shooters out there, from anywhere on the floor. To accentuate the point, he will have the best roll man in the NBA setting the screen and rolling to the basket. If i was a betting man, that pick and roll combo does just a tad more than just pester teams around the NBA, it will be devastating. 

    Let's not forget Gasol on the low post, the way he can facitiate and score. And Kobe on the wing, well you all just can't see through the seething hatred to realize how elite he still is. Nash will make him better, more efficient. There is a ton of basketball IQ on the floor, with an awesome facilitator. This notion that Kobe will not be smart enough to play withing the framework with these running mates, is just totally disrespecting one of the best basketball minds out there. 

     
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    " All of this google searched analysis from Rame is quite funny since he never even saw any games from the 84-88 Lakers teams."

    I'm hoping you didn't either because it would be ridiculous if someone your age was still getting their rocks off impersonating an opposing team's fans on an Internet forum. I was really hoping you were 19 or so, that would have excused your immaturity a bit more. Now it's safe to say you have a really serious hangup or glitch or character flaw. Good luck with that. 

    Rame as for your point I'm not sure that the Lakers are the best comparison given the kind of talent Magic had around him at the time and his much larger physique (remember he could play center even). If you want to go that route I'd suggest the Isiah Thomas Pistons comparison. Isaih being a little dude like Rondo, a tough motha who made things happen. Obviously Isiah a vastly better scorer and overall player, but to me that would be the kind of team toughness we would need. True Isiah didn't play with hall of famers like Rondo does but our hall of famers are on the downslope so they compare pretty fairly to those Pistons players in their prime. I would love to see Rondo fully claim that floor general role and see how far our team go do. Rondo can be a little moody, but along those lines Isiah was too so.....? :)
     
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    " All of this google searched analysis from Rame is quite funny since he never even saw any games from the 84-88 Lakers teams." I'm hoping you didn't either because it would be ridiculous if someone your age was still getting their rocks off impersonating an opposing team's fans on an Internet forum. I was really hoping you were 19 or so, that would have excused your immaturity a bit more. Now it's safe to say you have a really serious hangup or glitch or character flaw. Good luck with that.  Rame as for your point I'm not sure that the Lakers are the best comparison given the kind of talent Magic had around him at the time and his much larger physique (remember he could play center even). If you want to go that route I'd suggest the Isiah Thomas Pistons comparison. Isaih being a little dude like Rondo, a tough motha who made things happen. Obviously Isiah a vastly better scorer and overall player, but to me that would be the kind of team toughness we would need. True Isiah didn't play with hall of famers like Rondo does but our hall of famers are on the downslope so they compare pretty fairly to those Pistons players in their prime. I would love to see Rondo fully claim that floor general role and see how far our team go do. Rondo can be a little moody, but along those lines Isiah was too so.....? :)
    Posted by BostonTrollSpanker


    I completey agree with your analysis. The Pistons make the better comparison, by far. The tone and pace of the Celtics, defensively orientated, and physical is much more Isiah Thomas Pistons than those "Showtime" Magic Johnson LA teams. The Celtice don't board like either of those teams did, and this is needing a fix, or the Celtics will not get there. No rebounds, no rings is pretty much still the case, hard to overcome.
     
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    " No rebounds, no rings is pretty much still the case, hard to overcome."

    Yah. The Pistons comparison is also a stretch for that and some other reasons, but I think at least it's the best analogy in anywhere near the modern NBA of a little guy leading their team to the championship. 

    I realized after I posted this that I was wrong about the hall of fame part, obviously Dumars is in the hall of fame but that may make the comparison closer (I confused it with the fact he wasn't on the dream team). And you could probably argue Rodman with all his antics could go and of course coach Daly is a hall of fame coach but Rivers likely will be as well. Now that you mention it we could use a rebounding fiend like Rodman. :)
     
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    " No rebounds, no rings is pretty much still the case, hard to overcome." Yah. The Pistons comparison is also a stretch for that and some other reasons, but I think at least it's the best analogy in anywhere near the modern NBA of a little guy leading their team to the championship.  I realized after I posted this that I was wrong about the hall of fame part, obviously Dumars is in the hall of fame but that may make the comparison closer (I confused it with the fact he wasn't on the dream team). And you could probably argue Rodman with all his antics could go and of course coach Daly is a hall of fame coach but Rivers likely will be as well. Now that you mention it we could use a rebounding fiend like Rodman. :)
    Posted by BostonTrollSpanker

    It is difficult to compare two different era teams and have them be the same. Trying to take a comparison of each player at his given position and comparing to the other team is kind of wrongheaded thought process. The way those teams played, the sum of their parts is how I prefer to view it. And the Celtics are just not anything like the Magic Johnson Lakers, not even a little.

     
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    In Response to Re: Forget the '04 Pistons, C's have a superstar named Rondo and will compare more to the 80's Lakers : It is difficult to compare two different era teams and have them be the same. Trying to take a comparison of each player at his given position and comparing to the other team is kind of wrongheaded thought process. The way those teams played, the sum of their parts is how I prefer to view it. And the Celtics are just not anything like the Magic Johnson Lakers, not even a little. Posted by shonasty
    "wrongheaded thought process" Let me guess the cat made you type that?
     
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    In Response to Re: Forget the '04 Pistons, C's have a superstar named Rondo and will compare more to the 80's Lakers : They are more than a little like them in roster and talent... it is about this team, not the one of the last 5 years, your trolling is getting tiresome As for Nash I point to his age, leaving the Phoenix system/medical staff and poor defense as bigger issues than his back, which I don't rail on much at all, you must be thinking of fierce. but there are many reports out there if you want to look that say his back was as bad as it has ever been last season... when you hit 38-39 these things become harder to manage then 5-10 years earlier... if you want to assume that he will be everything you dream he will be for your Lakers go right ahead, the reality is that he won't. Players that old with that many issues to adjust to never are.
    Posted by rameakap

    I am not trolling, I am merely having a conversation with you. Quit crying at the drop of any hint of someone who politely disagrees with you, ya big baby. I am telling you that you are categorically wrong when you compare this years Celtics team to the "showtime" era Lakers. The comparison is ridiculous, and I say that without any doubt at all. 

    The teams are only similar in talent, in that both have a point guard, two guard, small forward, power forward, and center, but beyond that, the similarities end.
    If you can't handle it when someone disagrees with you, move on, but quit your sniveling and whining on about it, act like a man. And believe it, you are not acting like one in this instance, more like a little kid.
     
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    In response to "Re: Forget the '04 Pistons, C's have a superstar named Rondo and will compare more to the 80's Lakers": "wrongheaded thought process" Let me guess the cat made you type that?
    Posted by BCSP

    So petty and small minded, look at the little basketball fan, can't stand a differing opinion from the other side without getting all worked up. Go ahead be a miserable person, get all pissed at my every word, see how little you can make me care.

     
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    In Response to Re: Forget the '04 Pistons, C's have a superstar named Rondo and will compare more to the 80's Lakers : Ok fine, I tend to call anyone exposed as a Laker fan a troll, but if you want to have a conversation, go back to the first 3 posts of this thread and see all the accurate statistical comparisons between the talent on the clubs before you say the comparisons cannot be made... they can. Without one game being played you have no idea if Rondo will transform his new lineup into an uptempo 110 point per game squad that I feel he really has to try and do. And I'd rather have multiple players on this team than their positional counterparts on the mid-80's Lakers. sorry to get your panties all in a bunch with this comparison, if you don't enjoy it then go away
    Posted by rameakap

    Panties in a bunch? I merely spoke politely and calmly about your comparison, and boo hoo, I disagreed, and you went all whaaaaaa, I am tired of your trolling. Grow up, practice what you preach to the others. What kind of man can't handle a differing opinion without acting out like a child? I haven't been exposed for anything. I have been straight forward from the jump about what I am about, and I don't need to validate my interest in the Lakers by being a spaz with hate for the guys on the other side.

     
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    In response to "Re: Forget the '04 Pistons, C's have a superstar named Rondo and will compare more to the 80's Lakers":
    In Response to Re: Forget the '04 Pistons, C's have a superstar named Rondo and will compare more to the 80's Lakers : So petty and small minded, look at the little basketball fan, can't stand a differing opinion from the other side without getting all worked up. Go ahead be a miserable person, get all pissed at my every word, see how little you can make me care. Posted by shonasty
    Didn't you mean to type the word "wrong minded"? So much hate and venom in your posts! No worries, the circus is coming to LA in approximately 5-weeks! Mike Clown and the gang will cheer you up!
     
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    In response to "Re: Forget the '04 Pistons, C's have a superstar named Rondo and will compare more to the 80's Lakers": Didn't you mean to type the word "wrong minded"? So much hate and venom in your posts! No worries, the circus is coming to LA in approximately 5-weeks! Mike Clown and the gang will cheer you up!
    Posted by BCSP


    No venon in my posts what so ever. I am just making it clear, I, am speaking direcly at you, and telling you straight up that I could care less what kind of petty little nonsense you want to get all hung up on. You want to be a jerk, you want to police grammer and spelling like a chump, have at it, I just don't care. I could almost make myself feel sorry for you, but you act like an aaahole, so scrap that. Someday, I am hoping you might come forward and actually say something. But in the meantime, carry on, be empty headed, and keep posting meaningless garbage posts.
     
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