In response to Celtsfan4life's comment:

Lol.. They kept jacking up bricks too. Don't care one bit for KG firing all he wants. But terry ? Green isn't the only one going to need ice tonight. Terry will need one for his arm lol

In response to Celtsfan4life's comment:

Correct but this has been happening all season. They can't compete with teams over four quarters.  Rondo is not leading and stepping up in games that need to be won.   This says it all for the future of this season. 

In response to Celtsfan4life's comment:

For this game, Terry and KG 7 for 37 is not normal and will not shoot like that every game. But the Celtics getting outrebounded happens almost every game. 

Terrry and KG will shoot better next time. But the rebounding will still be a problem unless Ainge makes a move.

As sad is this may sound people we need to rebuild.  Start piling up picks and hope we can clear some cap room ASAP!!!! Oh we have Fab Melo my bad dudes in the D League. 

In response to Fierce34's comment:

He has to do it now or the season is over.  This team has not looked good for the whole season. NO win streaks and rarely any easy wins. Teams don' t give up on the Celtics and rarely do we ever get free throws even at home like tonight.  It is really troubling.

I don't think we can trade both Terry and Lee when AB returns. 

Terry has more trade value than Lee.  Plus we need Lee's defense more than Terry's lack of offense.

Goodby Terry. Maybe you can redo the tatoo.  and goodby Sully... and good luck somewhere else where you can blossum without Doc coaching. Don't need Wilcox either.

Can we get a decent BIG of value with Terry, Sully and Wilcox?  Maybe if we throw in a 1st round pick.

In response to concord27's comment:

Well, it is what it is. 

It might be frustrating for us Celtic fans but there were 18,624 people at the Garden tonight. So business is good for the Celtics.

This team is terrible.  As constructed, the players are not fitting to make this a cohesive team.  And honestly, there is no indication that they will eventually develop that chemistry.

Danny and Doc seriously miscalculated the expected contributions of several players.  Really, Courtney Lee is the only pickup that is playing close to how he's played during his career.  His offense could be better but he's playing really good defense and he's an aggressive slasher to the rim.

Other than Lee (expected to backup AB), no other pickup or re-signed player is playing to the expected level needed for this team to be successful.  KG's contribution has significantly dipped.  His point production is not enough and he rarely gets double figures in rebounds anymore.  And worse, he's getting abused too frequently on the defensive end (Noah and Sanders).  Ever since Rondo's assist streak ended, he's been inconsistent.  Terry and Green are very inconsistent from game to game and Bass is nowhere near the player he was last season.

This is the core that was expected to lead us to a high seed in the conference.  I hope we can finish 3rd in our division at this rate.

In response to AaronWE's comment:

That's what the Celts are doing now, rebuilding on the fly.

The problem with this kind of rebuilding is it usually doesn't work out too well in the end. 

Why?

Because you're not going to get high draft picks and you won't have enough cap space to sign a max contract player.

 

In response to Petey62's comment:

Third I hope you are right but really this team has to change in a big way for that.

and speaking of Doc... E'twuan Moore had another good night tonight.  12 points and 3 rebounds in 21 minutes.     

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I still believe one player can make a difference.

The Celts must go for the big time now.

Lee, Green, and Bass will total 20m in salaries. Time to get an All-Star caliber player. Amare or Pau Gasol.

Right now the Celtics are clearly in need of another scorer.

In response to Fierce34's comment:

I know I'm going to get in trouble for this - I agree with you we need another scorer, and a rebounder..................we need to .......................can't believe I'm writing this - trade Rondo!

He holds the ball too much, he can't shoot, his D is bad this year AND he looks (like tonight) very uninterested in playing!  I have no idea what his value is.........and why would SAC do it, but if we could interest them in Evans and Cousins for Rondo, Melo and ?  I would consider that.  Of course, it won't happen...........but he is really starting to annoy me!

Amare can't rebound and Gasol is too soft.  Softness is also part of our problem.  So your adding height and some offense but we would still have the same weaknesses

We need a bruising rebounder.  Scoring will improve when we can be more of a threat inside too. 

Gortat would be much better for this team

I'd perfer Gortat over Amare Or Gasol   But I agree one more quality playey gives us a real shot at the title.  Celtic's brass feal the same im sure  Someone's coming.

I would LOVE to see Rondo traded to get a quality big, but I think the reason that may not happen is because of PR.  If the fans were upset to see Perkins leave (which was a good thing, we just screwed up the rebuilding strategy) they will be furious if Rondo gets traded, especially for a relatively unknown and non-dynamic Gortat.

We get a quality big who can even the rebounding deficit.  A decent PG who can play good D, and just keep the offense moving and a SG who can come off the bench and give us 10+ PPG a night ...like E'Twuan Morre is doing for Orlando.

I would trade Rondo, Bass, Terry and Collins.

In response to Fierce34's comment:

Yes, but my point was about tonight's game.  You quoted stats for tonight and said that explains our loss ("That's your ball game right there").  My point is that tonight, rebounding isn't the ball game.  Our shooting and terrible offense killed us.   Rebounding was and is consistently bad, but we can overcome it some nights if we play better offense and defense.  Tonight was one of those nights we could have won eventhough rebounding was terrible.

ORL has a nice 4 guard rotation of Nelson, Afflalo, Redick and Moore - in that order.  Moore is not as good as Rondo, Bradley, Terry or Lee, and may be better than Barbosa.  I liked Moore last year, and thought he should  be given a bigger opportunity, but it is foolish to talk about him now, he is not here and cannot help us right now.

We need a rebounder - not another guard!

How many games would we win if Pierce went down for any length of time? My guess would be not many!!  It's time to rebuild, and the first thing i would do would be to trade Rondo. You can't have a player control the ball 80% of the time and get 6 to 10 points. Trade him to a bad team for picks, or trade him for a star scorer!!

In response to Eldunker's comment:

I have no idea why anyone would be fascinated with Gasol.  He's older, expensive, soft, and pouts.  He had a couple of good seasons but when you are consistently "sub-potential", that is not a player I want.   Add to that he's 33 years old and makes $19M.  Why in the world would we do that vs Gortat who is 29 and makes $7.2M and at this stage is just as good?    I go with Gortat, as well.

eldunker

Agree that Gortat would be better. But is he available?

 

Celtsfan4

Pau Gasol will save the Celtics money in the long run. Getting rid of the contracts of Bass, Lee, and Green for Gasol saves the Celts money because Gasol will be an expiring contract next season.

 

To Everybody

Beggars can't be choosers. 

What us Celtic fans want might not be doable. 

Everybody wants Gortat. But what if Gortat is not available?

You'd be lying if you're going to say that the Celtics are not better off having Amare or Gasol alongside KG in the starting lineup.

Both Amare and Gasol have pros and cons. If they only have pros and no cons, then they wouldn't be available in first place.

In response to Fierce34's comment:

Can't get Gasol until Jan 15th - they would insist on Green - he would flourish in that system.

In response to Fierce34's comment:

Doesn't Gortat have the same expiration year on his contract that Gasol does?  If we were to get Gasol (not going to happen) we have to give up more players and the team gets older and less deep).  At least with Gasol, we give up a bad contract but we keep some of the bench talent.  

Yes, its all hypothetical, anyway.  We're all just dreaming like we had an influence.  We'll just have to wait and see if Danny can pull off a trade.