Game Thread - Heat @ Celtics - Sunday Showcase

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Game Thread - Heat @ Celtics - Sunday Showcase : Ever since Ray only had one weakness, defense! When Ray was younger he was a good ball-handler and a good passer. 
    Posted by Fiercest34[/QUOTE]

    No he was not.... youre not a good passer and ball handler and then lose that skill cause youre older.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Game Thread - Heat @ Celtics - Sunday Showcase : Rondo was forced to shoot like that because there was a defender closing out on him. If you look at Rondo shoot open 3s, it's more of a set shot than a jump shot.
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    nope.

    if ur talking about way he doesnt jump as high, its that way with most players..watch KEvin Durant here, same thing, but he doesnt have a set shot.

    a set shot is like Pierce's wide open 3's.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Game Thread - Heat @ Celtics - Sunday Showcase : No one made fun of him... he was the best passer in the game... ran the break better than anyone.... please define fundamental?
    Posted by CASox[/QUOTE]

    Come on, how often I heard the sentence: (J)ason Kidd, cause he has no Jumper! Don't be desillusional. Kidd was great but not fundamental sound. Just like KG or Rondo.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Game Thread - Heat @ Celtics - Sunday Showcase : Here's the difference, when the game is on the line the Mavs are comfortable with Kidd holding the ball and letting Kidd run the offense. The Celts on the other hand have to defer to Pierce in last 2 minutes situations because they don't want the opposing teams to send Rondo to the FT line. If Rondo shoots 70% from the FT line then he will be best PG in the association, bar none!
    Posted by Fiercest34[/QUOTE]

    In typical fashion you are veering off the point... this was not about end of game situations which you are obviously obsessed with....
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Game Thread - Heat @ Celtics - Sunday Showcase : There are players who lack fundamentals. But Rondo is the only starting PG in the association that is a bad outside shooter and at the same time a bad FT shooter.
    Posted by Fiercest34[/QUOTE]

    So then how many PGs are good defenders? good passers?  good rebounders? good floor vision?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Game Thread - Heat @ Celtics - Sunday Showcase : Come on, how often I heard the sentence: (J)ason Kidd, cause he has no Jumper! Don't be desillusional. Kidd was great but not fundamental sound. Just like KG or Rondo.
    Posted by Gasthoerer[/QUOTE]

    If you want to start name calling then I wont even respond to your posts....
     
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    Re: Game Thread - Heat @ Celtics - Sunday Showcase

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Game Thread - Heat @ Celtics - Sunday Showcase : Come on, how often I heard the sentence: (J)ason Kidd, cause he has no Jumper! Don't be desillusional. Kidd was great but not fundamental sound. Just like KG or Rondo.
    Posted by Gasthoerer[/QUOTE]

    seems like kidd has had to develop a jump shot now later in his career because he isnt as athletic as he once was and cant survive without one....rondo can survive without one as kidd did early in his career....if rondo wants to have a successful career into his mid 30's, then yes, he needs to work on his free throws and jumpers....but kidd is proof that you can do that

     
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    Re: Game Thread - Heat @ Celtics - Sunday Showcase

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Game Thread - Heat @ Celtics - Sunday Showcase : I've seen Ray play since his UConn days. Ray was a complete player back then. Come on, Ray's poor passes and poor ball-handling only showed up in 2010. 
    Posted by Fiercest34[/QUOTE]

    Ray has never been a good passer, hes never been a good ball handler..the only thing he lost was he used to be a pretty good defender.

    so Ray Allen isnt fundamentally sound right?

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Game Thread - Heat @ Celtics - Sunday Showcase : Poor FT shooting hurts you the most in end of game situations. Why? Because opponents will intentionally foul you.  I don't mind Rondo missing FTs early in the game. But he has to make them in crunch time. We already lost a game in 2009 because of that. Ever since the Celts lost that game to the Clips in 2009, Rondo had to defer to Pierce every time in end game situations. 
    Posted by Fiercest34[/QUOTE]

    Again, not the subject of the argument....
     
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    Re: Game Thread - Heat @ Celtics - Sunday Showcase

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Game Thread - Heat @ Celtics - Sunday Showcase : Poor FT shooting hurts you the most in end of game situations. Why? Because opponents will intentionally foul you.  I don't mind Rondo missing FTs early in the game. But he has to make them in crunch time. We already lost a game in 2009 because of that. Ever since the Celts lost that game to the Clips in 2009, Rondo had to defer to Pierce every time in end game situations. 
    Posted by Fiercest34[/QUOTE]

    i see Rondo with the ball in the last 2 minutes time and time again in games..its not true that he doesnt get it in the last two minutes. its when there is 24 seconds or less that they defer to pierce, so he can take the last shot. the last 2 minutes claim is false.

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Game Thread - Heat @ Celtics - Sunday Showcase : Ray has never been a good passer, hes never been a good ball handler..the only thing he lost was he used to be a pretty good defender. so Ray Allen isnt fundamentally sound right?
    Posted by JamezHill24[/QUOTE]

    I said the same thing... Pierce isnt sound either,  neither is KG,  very few sound nba players by their definition
     
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    by your guy's definition, Ray Allen isnt a fundamentally sound player. go to Doc and say that and he will laugh in your face.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Game Thread - Heat @ Celtics - Sunday Showcase : I disagree. Ray Allen was one hell of a player in college and when he was with Milwaukee. Even when he was in Seattle he was considered a big time player. Ray's defiencies only started showing up in 2010.
    Posted by Fiercest34[/QUOTE]

    He was a big time player but mostly because he was a big time scorer....so you think that because Ray is older he loses his ball handling ability? or his ability to pass?  thats laughable
     
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    Re: Game Thread - Heat @ Celtics - Sunday Showcase

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Game Thread - Heat @ Celtics - Sunday Showcase : I disagree. Ray Allen was one hell of a player in college and when he was with Milwaukee. Even when he was in Seattle he was considered a big time player. Ray's defiencies only started showing up in 2010.
    Posted by Fiercest34[/QUOTE]

    ray has never been a very good passer.....he has made his living running off screens and making jumpshots and making free throws.....he is fundementally sound when it comes to shooting the ball and release point and such.....but when it comes to ball handling and passing, he may be one of the worst on the team in that category
     
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    [QUOTE]by your guy's definition, Ray Allen isnt a fundamentally sound player. go to Doc and say that and he will laugh in your face.
    Posted by JamezHill24[/QUOTE]

    Its just hard to argue with people who probably never played bb beyond grade school...ha
     
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    Re: Game Thread - Heat @ Celtics - Sunday Showcase

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Game Thread - Heat @ Celtics - Sunday Showcase : Pierce and KG have weaknesses as well. But they are fundamentally sound. I mean there's no excuse for being a bad FT shooter and you're a PG. Among the 30 teams, only Rondo is bad FT shooter and a bad outside shooter at the same time among starting PGs. 
    Posted by Fiercest34[/QUOTE]

    Ha... you just contadicted yourself...
     

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