Great Article - How the Cs can bring Melo and Love to Boston!

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    Great Article - How the Cs can bring Melo and Love to Boston!


    The NBA is all about stars. And usually, it takes three such stars to win. LeBron-Wade-Bosh, Pierce-Garnett-Allen, Duncan-Parker-Ginobili, Bird-McHale-Parrish, Magic-Kareem-Worthy. Sometimes, two great players can make it happen if one of them is transcendent (Jordan/Pippen being the best example), but usually it takes three Hall of Fame talents coming together for a team to win it all.


    And with all of the Kevin Love rumors, that begs the question: Is it possible for the Celtics to add both Love, and another star?


    And more specifically, a lot of Celtics' fans are infatuated with one guy in particular..


     


    I can't even tell you how many times I've seen this talked about on twitter and in the comment section. Can the Celtics bring both Love and Carmelo to Boston this summer? And if so..how?


    Well, I've figured out a path to getting it done. It won't be easy, and it will basically cost the Cs everything they have -- but it's at least within the realm of possibility. It will take a series of moves, let's break them down one by one.


    First let's discuss the Celtics current salary situation, here are all of their guys under contract for 2014-15, including non-guaranteed deals.


    Roster:


    Rondo: $13,000,000
    Wallace: $10,105,855
    Green: $9,200,000
    Bass: $6,900,000
    Bogans: $5,285,817 (team option)
    Anthony: $3,800,000
    Faverani: $2,090,000
    Olynyk: $2,075,760
    Sullinger: $1,424,520
    Johnson: $915,000 (team option)
    Babb: $915,000 (team option)
    Pressey: $816,482 (team option)
    6th pick (cap hold): $3,420,000
    17th pick (cap hold): $1,480,000


    Total:


    $61,428,434


    I included the cap holds for the Celtics two first round picks, because that is included when a team's cap space is computed.


    I also included the non-guaranteed deals, because they will all be used in deals to make the financial aspect work.


    So what is move #1? Well, bringing Kevin Love to Boston of course. Here's my deal.



    Move #1: Trading for Kevin Love


    Celtics trade: Brandon Bass, Keith Bogans, Jared Sullinger, Chris Johnson, Chris Babb, 6th overall pick in 2014, 2015 Celtics pick, 2016 Nets pick ($18,860,337 in salary, including cap hold for #6 pick)


    Celtics receive: Kevin Love ($15,719,062 salary for 2014-15)


    Why Boston does this deal:


    Well, they get Love and his monster 26/12/4 stat line every night. Love plays with "Rondo-lite" in Minnesota (Ricky Rubio) and we've seen the kind of offensive impact he can make with a pass first point guard. Rondo is a better scorer/shooter than Rubio (Rubio has the worst shooting percentage in NBA history), but there games are similar enough where you at least know Love will be comfortable with Rondo getting him the ball.


    Yes, the Celtics give up a lot in this deal, but that's the price of Love. Three first round picks (one each in 2014, 2015, and 2016) and Sullinger, who put up a very respectful 13.3 PPG and 8.1 RPG in 2013-14, his second season in the league. They also give up Bass, and the non-guaranteed deals of Bogans, Johnson and Babb to make the financials work.


    Why Minnesota does this deal:


    The Wolves get the #6 pick in a very strong draft, plus a good young player and two additional firsts, including the 2016 Nets pick which could be in the lottery if the Nets aging roster does what we think it will. Who is beating this deal? The Lakers only have the #7 pick to offer; the Suns have a host of picks, but nothing comparable to the #6 pick this year; Houston has Chandler Parsons, but only late firsts in terms of picks; and the Warriors have Klay Thompson, but absolutely no first rounders to dangle. This is probably a better deal than what the Cs gave up for Kevin Garnett back in 2007, and provides a really nice push of the reset button for Minny.


    Updated roster:


    Rondo
    Love
    Wallace
    Green
    Anthony
    Faverani
    Olynyk
    Pressey
    17th pick (cap hold): $1,480,000


    Updated salary:


    $58,287,159



    Move #2: Cap clearing trade


    Ok, so now the Celtics have Rondo and Love, but how do they bring Melo in? Well, they need to shed a whole bunch of salary, and to do so, they need to take a page from the Warriors last summer -- dump some of their contracts to a team well below the cap. To do so, they will need to offer up assets to make it work. Here's my best guess at something that could get done.


    Celtics deal: Jeff Green, Joel Anthony, Vitor Faverani, Kelly Olynyk, 2015 Clippers pick, 2015 Celtics second round pick (Salary leaving: $17,165,760)


    Celtics receive: Future 2nd round pick (heavily protected so it probably doesn't get dealt)


    Why Boston does this deal:


    Easy: to shed enough salary to sign Melo (obviously the deal needs to be lined up before the Celtics make this move). To get Philly to take $17 million in salary, the Celtics need to give up some assets, and they do in Olynyk, a 2015 first and a 2015 second (Plus, the Sixers may like Vitor). This deal mirrors last summers Warriors/Jazz deal where Golden State dumped $21 million in salary on the Jazz, and gave up 2014/2016 first rounders in the process. I think that a 2015 first and Olynyk, who proved to be an NBA caliber big man and is under contract for cheap the next three seasons is comparable, if not even better value.


    Why Philly does this deal:


    There are a few reasons.


    1. The Sixers pick up two more assets in exchange for money. As they continue their "total teardown" rebuild..assets are always wanted.


    2. Philly is way below the salary floor, and this deal would help them reach it. The NBA instituted a floor that each team must spend to every season in the last CBA, and next year it figures to be around $56 million. At the moment the Sixers have about $27 million in commitments for 2014-15, and even including their draft picks, that number doesn't figure to jump above $35 million. This deal brings them to $52 million..allowing them to come close to the floor, but not approach the cap. And they bring in two more assets in the process.


    So let's say this happens, here's an updated Celtics' roster.


    Updated roster:


    Rondo
    Love
    Wallace
    Pressey
    17th pick (cap hold): $1,480,000


    Updated salary:


    $41,121,399



    Move #3: Decline Pressey's option/deal him for a second round pick


    The Celtics still need just a tad bit more cap space, so they'll need to decline Pressey's $816,000 option for 2014-15, or deal him for a second rounder (second round picks do not have cap holds). Also they'll need to give up their rights to Avery Bradley, making him an unrestricted free agent, and removing his cap hold.


    Updated salary:


    $40,304,917


    So where does this leave us?


    Well the 2014-15 salary cap is scheduled to be $63,200,000. So with all of these moves, the Cs will have $22,895,083 in cap space. That's important, because they can offer Melo a max deal.



    Move #4: Give Carmelo Anthony a 4 year, $95.9 million deal


    With all of their new cap space, the Celtics could give Anthony a max deal (4 years, $95,897,372), with a $22,458,401 salary in 2014-15. Carmelo would have to take a four year deal as opposed to the five years the Knicks could offer, but he'd be making the same yearly salary. So if he's confident he'll still be a max player in four years, he loses no money, and he'll be in a much better situation. Let's say he takes the bait (we've always heard he loves Rondo) -- here's where we stand.


    Updated roster:


    Rondo
    Anthony
    Love
    Wallace
    17th pick (cap hold): $1,480,000


    Updated salary:


    $62,763,318 ($436,682 below cap)


    And there we go. The Celtics have their three stars, Wallace, and the #17 pick. And nothing else. While we've successfully put the three some together, there's not much else in the cupboard. So let's see if we can make one more move.



    Move #5: Trade for Larry Sanders


    Now we're getting a little crazy, but here me out.


    Celtics deal: Gerald Wallace, 2017 first round pick (with right to swap with Nets) (salary leaving: $10,105,855)


    Celtics receive: Larry Sanders (salary coming in: $11,000,000)


    Why the Celtics do this deal:


    Kevin Love cannot protect the paint, and this team badly needs a defensive backbone. They give up Wallace (oh no!), and a future first rounder, including the valuable right to swap with the Nets that season. If the Celtics are going all in, this is a no brainer, despite Sanders' off the court issues.


    Why the Bucks do this deal:


    If the Cavs take Andrew Wiggins or Jabari Parker, the Bucks are going to take Joel Embiid. And that would clearly open up Sanders to be dealt. But even if they take Parker or Wiggins, Milwaukee may be looking to move the problematic Sanders. He's about to get very expensive (4 year, $44 million extension kicks in this year), and for a rebuilding team, that's a high price to pay. Yes, Wallace's deal sucks, but it's also done in two seasons, compared to Sanders running for four more years. Milwaukee also adds a first rounder in three years, which could be a great pick if the Nets crater. Wallace also becomes movable next summer as an expiring contract. It's far from a guarantee that the Bucks jump on this, but if necessary the Celtics could also offer a 2019 first rounder to sweeten the pot.


    Let's say Milwaukee does pull the trigger.


    Updated roster:


    Rondo
    Anthony
    Love
    Sanders
    17th pick (cap hold): $1,480,000


    Updated salary:


    $63,657,463


    So the Celtics have four players and the 17th pick. Use that 17th pick on the best shooting guard available (Nik Stauskas, Gary Harris or Zach Lavine).


    Updated roster:


    Rondo
    Stauskas/Harris/Lavine
    Anthony
    Love
    Sanders


    Bench: Ummmm


    The Celtics would be just over the cap, but well below the luxury tax, allowing them to use their mid-level exception to bring in bench help. They would also be a major contender that could attract a ton of different guys to play for them (remember the 2007-08 Celtics brought in Posey and House this way).


    Sure, this team is woefully thin..but if you truly think the Rondo/Melo/Love can bring home a title, this is how it needs to happen. It's not going to be cheap to acquire two studs in their prime, and the Celtics will absolutely need to use all of their bullets in their gun.


    Now the better question becomes: is it worth it?


    I'm tired and just did a lot of math, so I'll leave that up to you. But it would be a really fun team to watch, and if Sanders bounces back to his 2012-13 form and protects the basket, and some quality vets join the team..look out.


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    Re: Great Article - How the Cs can bring Melo and Love to Boston!

    In response to Fiercy's comment:

    I read that too!

    But that scenario is after July 1.

    Celts can trade for Melo on draft night.

    The difference is the salaries will be from last season, not next season.

     

    Last weekend I proposed Jeff Green, Wallace, another player and picks for Melo.



    Thin bench - Sign Pierce using mid level exception - then??

     
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    Re: Great Article - How the Cs can bring Melo and Love to Boston!

    In response to Fiercy's comment:

    BCSP

     

    The article is also telling us the Celts go under the cap then give Melo a max contract.

    It's easier if the Celts don't go below the cap and tell Melo to opt in.

    That way the Celts will be able to keep guys like Hump, AB, and Bayless.

     

    So if you want Pierce for the MLE, you already have a rotation that includes Hump, AB, Bayless, and Pierce.



    Good point - DA must be sleep deprived by now - with so many positive options to choose from!

    Wow!!! 

     
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    Re: Great Article - How the Cs can bring Melo and Love to Boston!

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    The NBA is all about stars. And usually, it takes three such stars to win. LeBron-Wade-Bosh, Pierce-Garnett-Allen, Duncan-Parker-Ginobili, Bird-McHale-Parrish, Magic-Kareem-Worthy. Sometimes, two great players can make it happen if one of them is transcendent (Jordan/Pippen being the best example), but usually it takes three Hall of Fame talents coming together for a team to win it all.

     

    And with all of the Kevin Love rumors, that begs the question: Is it possible for the Celtics to add both Love, and another star?

     

    And more specifically, a lot of Celtics' fans are infatuated with one guy in particular..

     

     

     

    I can't even tell you how many times I've seen this talked about on twitter and in the comment section. Can the Celtics bring both Love and Carmelo to Boston this summer? And if so..how?

     

    Well, I've figured out a path to getting it done. It won't be easy, and it will basically cost the Cs everything they have -- but it's at least within the realm of possibility. It will take a series of moves, let's break them down one by one.

     

    First let's discuss the Celtics current salary situation, here are all of their guys under contract for 2014-15, including non-guaranteed deals.

     

    Roster:

     

    Rondo: $13,000,000
    Wallace: $10,105,855
    Green: $9,200,000
    Bass: $6,900,000
    Bogans: $5,285,817 (team option)
    Anthony: $3,800,000
    Faverani: $2,090,000
    Olynyk: $2,075,760
    Sullinger: $1,424,520
    Johnson: $915,000 (team option)
    Babb: $915,000 (team option)
    Pressey: $816,482 (team option)
    6th pick (cap hold): $3,420,000
    17th pick (cap hold): $1,480,000

     

    Total:

     

    $61,428,434

     

    I included the cap holds for the Celtics two first round picks, because that is included when a team's cap space is computed.

     

    I also included the non-guaranteed deals, because they will all be used in deals to make the financial aspect work.

     

    So what is move #1? Well, bringing Kevin Love to Boston of course. Here's my deal.

     


    Move #1: Trading for Kevin Love

     

    Celtics trade: Brandon Bass, Keith Bogans, Jared Sullinger, Chris Johnson, Chris Babb, 6th overall pick in 2014, 2015 Celtics pick, 2016 Nets pick ($18,860,337 in salary, including cap hold for #6 pick)

     

    Celtics receive: Kevin Love ($15,719,062 salary for 2014-15)

     

    Why Boston does this deal:

     

    Well, they get Love and his monster 26/12/4 stat line every night. Love plays with "Rondo-lite" in Minnesota (Ricky Rubio) and we've seen the kind of offensive impact he can make with a pass first point guard. Rondo is a better scorer/shooter than Rubio (Rubio has the worst shooting percentage in NBA history), but there games are similar enough where you at least know Love will be comfortable with Rondo getting him the ball.

     

    Yes, the Celtics give up a lot in this deal, but that's the price of Love. Three first round picks (one each in 2014, 2015, and 2016) and Sullinger, who put up a very respectful 13.3 PPG and 8.1 RPG in 2013-14, his second season in the league. They also give up Bass, and the non-guaranteed deals of Bogans, Johnson and Babb to make the financials work.

     

    Why Minnesota does this deal:

     

    The Wolves get the #6 pick in a very strong draft, plus a good young player and two additional firsts, including the 2016 Nets pick which could be in the lottery if the Nets aging roster does what we think it will. Who is beating this deal? The Lakers only have the #7 pick to offer; the Suns have a host of picks, but nothing comparable to the #6 pick this year; Houston has Chandler Parsons, but only late firsts in terms of picks; and the Warriors have Klay Thompson, but absolutely no first rounders to dangle. This is probably a better deal than what the Cs gave up for Kevin Garnett back in 2007, and provides a really nice push of the reset button for Minny.

     

    Updated roster:

     

    Rondo
    Love
    Wallace
    Green
    Anthony
    Faverani
    Olynyk
    Pressey
    17th pick (cap hold): $1,480,000

     

    Updated salary:

     

    $58,287,159

     


    Move #2: Cap clearing trade

     

    Ok, so now the Celtics have Rondo and Love, but how do they bring Melo in? Well, they need to shed a whole bunch of salary, and to do so, they need to take a page from the Warriors last summer -- dump some of their contracts to a team well below the cap. To do so, they will need to offer up assets to make it work. Here's my best guess at something that could get done.

     

    Celtics deal: Jeff Green, Joel Anthony, Vitor Faverani, Kelly Olynyk, 2015 Clippers pick, 2015 Celtics second round pick (Salary leaving: $17,165,760)

     

    Celtics receive: Future 2nd round pick (heavily protected so it probably doesn't get dealt)

     

    Why Boston does this deal:

     

    Easy: to shed enough salary to sign Melo (obviously the deal needs to be lined up before the Celtics make this move). To get Philly to take $17 million in salary, the Celtics need to give up some assets, and they do in Olynyk, a 2015 first and a 2015 second (Plus, the Sixers may like Vitor). This deal mirrors last summers Warriors/Jazz deal where Golden State dumped $21 million in salary on the Jazz, and gave up 2014/2016 first rounders in the process. I think that a 2015 first and Olynyk, who proved to be an NBA caliber big man and is under contract for cheap the next three seasons is comparable, if not even better value.

     

    Why Philly does this deal:

     

    There are a few reasons.

     

    1. The Sixers pick up two more assets in exchange for money. As they continue their "total teardown" rebuild..assets are always wanted.

     

    2. Philly is way below the salary floor, and this deal would help them reach it. The NBA instituted a floor that each team must spend to every season in the last CBA, and next year it figures to be around $56 million. At the moment the Sixers have about $27 million in commitments for 2014-15, and even including their draft picks, that number doesn't figure to jump above $35 million. This deal brings them to $52 million..allowing them to come close to the floor, but not approach the cap. And they bring in two more assets in the process.

     

    So let's say this happens, here's an updated Celtics' roster.

     

    Updated roster:

     

    Rondo
    Love
    Wallace
    Pressey
    17th pick (cap hold): $1,480,000

     

    Updated salary:

     

    $41,121,399

     


    Move #3: Decline Pressey's option/deal him for a second round pick

     

    The Celtics still need just a tad bit more cap space, so they'll need to decline Pressey's $816,000 option for 2014-15, or deal him for a second rounder (second round picks do not have cap holds). Also they'll need to give up their rights to Avery Bradley, making him an unrestricted free agent, and removing his cap hold.

     

    Updated salary:

     

    $40,304,917

     

    So where does this leave us?

     

    Well the 2014-15 salary cap is scheduled to be $63,200,000. So with all of these moves, the Cs will have $22,895,083 in cap space. That's important, because they can offer Melo a max deal.

     


    Move #4: Give Carmelo Anthony a 4 year, $95.9 million deal

     

    With all of their new cap space, the Celtics could give Anthony a max deal (4 years, $95,897,372), with a $22,458,401 salary in 2014-15. Carmelo would have to take a four year deal as opposed to the five years the Knicks could offer, but he'd be making the same yearly salary. So if he's confident he'll still be a max player in four years, he loses no money, and he'll be in a much better situation. Let's say he takes the bait (we've always heard he loves Rondo) -- here's where we stand.

     

    Updated roster:

     

    Rondo
    Anthony
    Love
    Wallace
    17th pick (cap hold): $1,480,000

     

    Updated salary:

     

    $62,763,318 ($436,682 below cap)

     

    And there we go. The Celtics have their three stars, Wallace, and the #17 pick. And nothing else. While we've successfully put the three some together, there's not much else in the cupboard. So let's see if we can make one more move.

     


    Move #5: Trade for Larry Sanders

     

    Now we're getting a little crazy, but here me out.

     

    Celtics deal: Gerald Wallace, 2017 first round pick (with right to swap with Nets) (salary leaving: $10,105,855)

     

    Celtics receive: Larry Sanders (salary coming in: $11,000,000)

     

    Why the Celtics do this deal:

     

    Kevin Love cannot protect the paint, and this team badly needs a defensive backbone. They give up Wallace (oh no!), and a future first rounder, including the valuable right to swap with the Nets that season. If the Celtics are going all in, this is a no brainer, despite Sanders' off the court issues.

     

    Why the Bucks do this deal:

     

    If the Cavs take Andrew Wiggins or Jabari Parker, the Bucks are going to take Joel Embiid. And that would clearly open up Sanders to be dealt. But even if they take Parker or Wiggins, Milwaukee may be looking to move the problematic Sanders. He's about to get very expensive (4 year, $44 million extension kicks in this year), and for a rebuilding team, that's a high price to pay. Yes, Wallace's deal sucks, but it's also done in two seasons, compared to Sanders running for four more years. Milwaukee also adds a first rounder in three years, which could be a great pick if the Nets crater. Wallace also becomes movable next summer as an expiring contract. It's far from a guarantee that the Bucks jump on this, but if necessary the Celtics could also offer a 2019 first rounder to sweeten the pot.

     

    Let's say Milwaukee does pull the trigger.

     

    Updated roster:

     

    Rondo
    Anthony
    Love
    Sanders
    17th pick (cap hold): $1,480,000

     

    Updated salary:

     

    $63,657,463

     

    So the Celtics have four players and the 17th pick. Use that 17th pick on the best shooting guard available (Nik Stauskas, Gary Harris or Zach Lavine).

     

    Updated roster:

     

    Rondo
    Stauskas/Harris/Lavine
    Anthony
    Love
    Sanders

     

    Bench: Ummmm

     

    The Celtics would be just over the cap, but well below the luxury tax, allowing them to use their mid-level exception to bring in bench help. They would also be a major contender that could attract a ton of different guys to play for them (remember the 2007-08 Celtics brought in Posey and House this way).

     

    Sure, this team is woefully thin..but if you truly think the Rondo/Melo/Love can bring home a title, this is how it needs to happen. It's not going to be cheap to acquire two studs in their prime, and the Celtics will absolutely need to use all of their bullets in their gun.

     

    Now the better question becomes: is it worth it?

     

    I'm tired and just did a lot of math, so I'll leave that up to you. But it would be a really fun team to watch, and if Sanders bounces back to his 2012-13 form and protects the basket, and some quality vets join the team..look out.

     

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    Nice try, but NO...you need more than 5-6 guys and nobody is giving up a 2nd for Pressy

     
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    Re: Great Article - How the Cs can bring Melo and Love to Boston!

    In response to mellymel3's comment:

    In response to BCSP's comment:


    The NBA is all about stars. And usually, it takes three such stars to win. LeBron-Wade-Bosh, Pierce-Garnett-Allen, Duncan-Parker-Ginobili, Bird-McHale-Parrish, Magic-Kareem-Worthy. Sometimes, two great players can make it happen if one of them is transcendent (Jordan/Pippen being the best example), but usually it takes three Hall of Fame talents coming together for a team to win it all.

     

    And with all of the Kevin Love rumors, that begs the question: Is it possible for the Celtics to add both Love, and another star?

     

    And more specifically, a lot of Celtics' fans are infatuated with one guy in particular..

     

     

     

    I can't even tell you how many times I've seen this talked about on twitter and in the comment section. Can the Celtics bring both Love and Carmelo to Boston this summer? And if so..how?

     

    Well, I've figured out a path to getting it done. It won't be easy, and it will basically cost the Cs everything they have -- but it's at least within the realm of possibility. It will take a series of moves, let's break them down one by one.

     

    First let's discuss the Celtics current salary situation, here are all of their guys under contract for 2014-15, including non-guaranteed deals.

     

    Roster:

     

    Rondo: $13,000,000
    Wallace: $10,105,855
    Green: $9,200,000
    Bass: $6,900,000
    Bogans: $5,285,817 (team option)
    Anthony: $3,800,000
    Faverani: $2,090,000
    Olynyk: $2,075,760
    Sullinger: $1,424,520
    Johnson: $915,000 (team option)
    Babb: $915,000 (team option)
    Pressey: $816,482 (team option)
    6th pick (cap hold): $3,420,000
    17th pick (cap hold): $1,480,000

     

    Total:

     

    $61,428,434

     

    I included the cap holds for the Celtics two first round picks, because that is included when a team's cap space is computed.

     

    I also included the non-guaranteed deals, because they will all be used in deals to make the financial aspect work.

     

    So what is move #1? Well, bringing Kevin Love to Boston of course. Here's my deal.

     


    Move #1: Trading for Kevin Love

     

    Celtics trade: Brandon Bass, Keith Bogans, Jared Sullinger, Chris Johnson, Chris Babb, 6th overall pick in 2014, 2015 Celtics pick, 2016 Nets pick ($18,860,337 in salary, including cap hold for #6 pick)

     

    Celtics receive: Kevin Love ($15,719,062 salary for 2014-15)

     

    Why Boston does this deal:

     

    Well, they get Love and his monster 26/12/4 stat line every night. Love plays with "Rondo-lite" in Minnesota (Ricky Rubio) and we've seen the kind of offensive impact he can make with a pass first point guard. Rondo is a better scorer/shooter than Rubio (Rubio has the worst shooting percentage in NBA history), but there games are similar enough where you at least know Love will be comfortable with Rondo getting him the ball.

     

    Yes, the Celtics give up a lot in this deal, but that's the price of Love. Three first round picks (one each in 2014, 2015, and 2016) and Sullinger, who put up a very respectful 13.3 PPG and 8.1 RPG in 2013-14, his second season in the league. They also give up Bass, and the non-guaranteed deals of Bogans, Johnson and Babb to make the financials work.

     

    Why Minnesota does this deal:

     

    The Wolves get the #6 pick in a very strong draft, plus a good young player and two additional firsts, including the 2016 Nets pick which could be in the lottery if the Nets aging roster does what we think it will. Who is beating this deal? The Lakers only have the #7 pick to offer; the Suns have a host of picks, but nothing comparable to the #6 pick this year; Houston has Chandler Parsons, but only late firsts in terms of picks; and the Warriors have Klay Thompson, but absolutely no first rounders to dangle. This is probably a better deal than what the Cs gave up for Kevin Garnett back in 2007, and provides a really nice push of the reset button for Minny.

     

    Updated roster:

     

    Rondo
    Love
    Wallace
    Green
    Anthony
    Faverani
    Olynyk
    Pressey
    17th pick (cap hold): $1,480,000

     

    Updated salary:

     

    $58,287,159

     


    Move #2: Cap clearing trade

     

    Ok, so now the Celtics have Rondo and Love, but how do they bring Melo in? Well, they need to shed a whole bunch of salary, and to do so, they need to take a page from the Warriors last summer -- dump some of their contracts to a team well below the cap. To do so, they will need to offer up assets to make it work. Here's my best guess at something that could get done.

     

    Celtics deal: Jeff Green, Joel Anthony, Vitor Faverani, Kelly Olynyk, 2015 Clippers pick, 2015 Celtics second round pick (Salary leaving: $17,165,760)

     

    Celtics receive: Future 2nd round pick (heavily protected so it probably doesn't get dealt)

     

    Why Boston does this deal:

     

    Easy: to shed enough salary to sign Melo (obviously the deal needs to be lined up before the Celtics make this move). To get Philly to take $17 million in salary, the Celtics need to give up some assets, and they do in Olynyk, a 2015 first and a 2015 second (Plus, the Sixers may like Vitor). This deal mirrors last summers Warriors/Jazz deal where Golden State dumped $21 million in salary on the Jazz, and gave up 2014/2016 first rounders in the process. I think that a 2015 first and Olynyk, who proved to be an NBA caliber big man and is under contract for cheap the next three seasons is comparable, if not even better value.

     

    Why Philly does this deal:

     

    There are a few reasons.

     

    1. The Sixers pick up two more assets in exchange for money. As they continue their "total teardown" rebuild..assets are always wanted.

     

    2. Philly is way below the salary floor, and this deal would help them reach it. The NBA instituted a floor that each team must spend to every season in the last CBA, and next year it figures to be around $56 million. At the moment the Sixers have about $27 million in commitments for 2014-15, and even including their draft picks, that number doesn't figure to jump above $35 million. This deal brings them to $52 million..allowing them to come close to the floor, but not approach the cap. And they bring in two more assets in the process.

     

    So let's say this happens, here's an updated Celtics' roster.

     

    Updated roster:

     

    Rondo
    Love
    Wallace
    Pressey
    17th pick (cap hold): $1,480,000

     

    Updated salary:

     

    $41,121,399

     


    Move #3: Decline Pressey's option/deal him for a second round pick

     

    The Celtics still need just a tad bit more cap space, so they'll need to decline Pressey's $816,000 option for 2014-15, or deal him for a second rounder (second round picks do not have cap holds). Also they'll need to give up their rights to Avery Bradley, making him an unrestricted free agent, and removing his cap hold.

     

    Updated salary:

     

    $40,304,917

     

    So where does this leave us?

     

    Well the 2014-15 salary cap is scheduled to be $63,200,000. So with all of these moves, the Cs will have $22,895,083 in cap space. That's important, because they can offer Melo a max deal.

     


    Move #4: Give Carmelo Anthony a 4 year, $95.9 million deal

     

    With all of their new cap space, the Celtics could give Anthony a max deal (4 years, $95,897,372), with a $22,458,401 salary in 2014-15. Carmelo would have to take a four year deal as opposed to the five years the Knicks could offer, but he'd be making the same yearly salary. So if he's confident he'll still be a max player in four years, he loses no money, and he'll be in a much better situation. Let's say he takes the bait (we've always heard he loves Rondo) -- here's where we stand.

     

    Updated roster:

     

    Rondo
    Anthony
    Love
    Wallace
    17th pick (cap hold): $1,480,000

     

    Updated salary:

     

    $62,763,318 ($436,682 below cap)

     

    And there we go. The Celtics have their three stars, Wallace, and the #17 pick. And nothing else. While we've successfully put the three some together, there's not much else in the cupboard. So let's see if we can make one more move.

     


    Move #5: Trade for Larry Sanders

     

    Now we're getting a little crazy, but here me out.

     

    Celtics deal: Gerald Wallace, 2017 first round pick (with right to swap with Nets) (salary leaving: $10,105,855)

     

    Celtics receive: Larry Sanders (salary coming in: $11,000,000)

     

    Why the Celtics do this deal:

     

    Kevin Love cannot protect the paint, and this team badly needs a defensive backbone. They give up Wallace (oh no!), and a future first rounder, including the valuable right to swap with the Nets that season. If the Celtics are going all in, this is a no brainer, despite Sanders' off the court issues.

     

    Why the Bucks do this deal:

     

    If the Cavs take Andrew Wiggins or Jabari Parker, the Bucks are going to take Joel Embiid. And that would clearly open up Sanders to be dealt. But even if they take Parker or Wiggins, Milwaukee may be looking to move the problematic Sanders. He's about to get very expensive (4 year, $44 million extension kicks in this year), and for a rebuilding team, that's a high price to pay. Yes, Wallace's deal sucks, but it's also done in two seasons, compared to Sanders running for four more years. Milwaukee also adds a first rounder in three years, which could be a great pick if the Nets crater. Wallace also becomes movable next summer as an expiring contract. It's far from a guarantee that the Bucks jump on this, but if necessary the Celtics could also offer a 2019 first rounder to sweeten the pot.

     

    Let's say Milwaukee does pull the trigger.

     

    Updated roster:

     

    Rondo
    Anthony
    Love
    Sanders
    17th pick (cap hold): $1,480,000

     

    Updated salary:

     

    $63,657,463

     

    So the Celtics have four players and the 17th pick. Use that 17th pick on the best shooting guard available (Nik Stauskas, Gary Harris or Zach Lavine).

     

    Updated roster:

     

    Rondo
    Stauskas/Harris/Lavine
    Anthony
    Love
    Sanders

     

    Bench: Ummmm

     

    The Celtics would be just over the cap, but well below the luxury tax, allowing them to use their mid-level exception to bring in bench help. They would also be a major contender that could attract a ton of different guys to play for them (remember the 2007-08 Celtics brought in Posey and House this way).

     

    Sure, this team is woefully thin..but if you truly think the Rondo/Melo/Love can bring home a title, this is how it needs to happen. It's not going to be cheap to acquire two studs in their prime, and the Celtics will absolutely need to use all of their bullets in their gun.

     

    Now the better question becomes: is it worth it?

     

    I'm tired and just did a lot of math, so I'll leave that up to you. But it would be a really fun team to watch, and if Sanders bounces back to his 2012-13 form and protects the basket, and some quality vets join the team..look out.

     

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    Nice try, but NO...you need more than 5-6 guys and nobody is giving up a 2nd for Pressy



    Agreed, plus we have some talented youngsters to put around Love and Rondo, you can't get rid of everyone.  I'd like to see that lineup with Fav at center hey Mel?!  Jk

     
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    That is an intriguing proposition. Melo,RR,Love, Sanders,Hump,Bayless, AB,#17(Saric,Napier or Anderson) PP and 3 others. That would be a pretty good squad on paper. I don't know if you could get all those personalities on the same page but, it would interesting to see it unfold. I could see some good end of the road guys like Elton Brand,Kaman,Granger, Livingston maybe even Stoudemire come on the cheap trying to win a ring with that squad. If DA could pull that rabbit out of his hat that would be really something. We would have to call him Red Ainge after that.

     
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    Re: Great Article - How the Cs can bring Melo and Love to Boston!

    It blows my mind that some people still spell Robert Parish's last name with two r's. So insulting.

    “The commercial class has always mistrusted verbal brilliancy and wit, deeming such qualities, perhaps with some justice, frivolous and unprofitable.”

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    Re: Great Article - How the Cs can bring Melo and Love to Boston!

    In response to wozzy's comment:

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    In response to BCSP's comment:


    The NBA is all about stars. And usually, it takes three such stars to win. LeBron-Wade-Bosh, Pierce-Garnett-Allen, Duncan-Parker-Ginobili, Bird-McHale-Parrish, Magic-Kareem-Worthy. Sometimes, two great players can make it happen if one of them is transcendent (Jordan/Pippen being the best example), but usually it takes three Hall of Fame talents coming together for a team to win it all.

     

    And with all of the Kevin Love rumors, that begs the question: Is it possible for the Celtics to add both Love, and another star?

     

    And more specifically, a lot of Celtics' fans are infatuated with one guy in particular..

     

     

     

    I can't even tell you how many times I've seen this talked about on twitter and in the comment section. Can the Celtics bring both Love and Carmelo to Boston this summer? And if so..how?

     

    Well, I've figured out a path to getting it done. It won't be easy, and it will basically cost the Cs everything they have -- but it's at least within the realm of possibility. It will take a series of moves, let's break them down one by one.

     

    First let's discuss the Celtics current salary situation, here are all of their guys under contract for 2014-15, including non-guaranteed deals.

     

    Roster:

     

    Rondo: $13,000,000
    Wallace: $10,105,855
    Green: $9,200,000
    Bass: $6,900,000
    Bogans: $5,285,817 (team option)
    Anthony: $3,800,000
    Faverani: $2,090,000
    Olynyk: $2,075,760
    Sullinger: $1,424,520
    Johnson: $915,000 (team option)
    Babb: $915,000 (team option)
    Pressey: $816,482 (team option)
    6th pick (cap hold): $3,420,000
    17th pick (cap hold): $1,480,000

     

    Total:

     

    $61,428,434

     

    I included the cap holds for the Celtics two first round picks, because that is included when a team's cap space is computed.

     

    I also included the non-guaranteed deals, because they will all be used in deals to make the financial aspect work.

     

    So what is move #1? Well, bringing Kevin Love to Boston of course. Here's my deal.

     


    Move #1: Trading for Kevin Love

     

    Celtics trade: Brandon Bass, Keith Bogans, Jared Sullinger, Chris Johnson, Chris Babb, 6th overall pick in 2014, 2015 Celtics pick, 2016 Nets pick ($18,860,337 in salary, including cap hold for #6 pick)

     

    Celtics receive: Kevin Love ($15,719,062 salary for 2014-15)

     

    Why Boston does this deal:

     

    Well, they get Love and his monster 26/12/4 stat line every night. Love plays with "Rondo-lite" in Minnesota (Ricky Rubio) and we've seen the kind of offensive impact he can make with a pass first point guard. Rondo is a better scorer/shooter than Rubio (Rubio has the worst shooting percentage in NBA history), but there games are similar enough where you at least know Love will be comfortable with Rondo getting him the ball.

     

    Yes, the Celtics give up a lot in this deal, but that's the price of Love. Three first round picks (one each in 2014, 2015, and 2016) and Sullinger, who put up a very respectful 13.3 PPG and 8.1 RPG in 2013-14, his second season in the league. They also give up Bass, and the non-guaranteed deals of Bogans, Johnson and Babb to make the financials work.

     

    Why Minnesota does this deal:

     

    The Wolves get the #6 pick in a very strong draft, plus a good young player and two additional firsts, including the 2016 Nets pick which could be in the lottery if the Nets aging roster does what we think it will. Who is beating this deal? The Lakers only have the #7 pick to offer; the Suns have a host of picks, but nothing comparable to the #6 pick this year; Houston has Chandler Parsons, but only late firsts in terms of picks; and the Warriors have Klay Thompson, but absolutely no first rounders to dangle. This is probably a better deal than what the Cs gave up for Kevin Garnett back in 2007, and provides a really nice push of the reset button for Minny.

     

    Updated roster:

     

    Rondo
    Love
    Wallace
    Green
    Anthony
    Faverani
    Olynyk
    Pressey
    17th pick (cap hold): $1,480,000

     

    Updated salary:

     

    $58,287,159

     


    Move #2: Cap clearing trade

     

    Ok, so now the Celtics have Rondo and Love, but how do they bring Melo in? Well, they need to shed a whole bunch of salary, and to do so, they need to take a page from the Warriors last summer -- dump some of their contracts to a team well below the cap. To do so, they will need to offer up assets to make it work. Here's my best guess at something that could get done.

     

    Celtics deal: Jeff Green, Joel Anthony, Vitor Faverani, Kelly Olynyk, 2015 Clippers pick, 2015 Celtics second round pick (Salary leaving: $17,165,760)

     

    Celtics receive: Future 2nd round pick (heavily protected so it probably doesn't get dealt)

     

    Why Boston does this deal:

     

    Easy: to shed enough salary to sign Melo (obviously the deal needs to be lined up before the Celtics make this move). To get Philly to take $17 million in salary, the Celtics need to give up some assets, and they do in Olynyk, a 2015 first and a 2015 second (Plus, the Sixers may like Vitor). This deal mirrors last summers Warriors/Jazz deal where Golden State dumped $21 million in salary on the Jazz, and gave up 2014/2016 first rounders in the process. I think that a 2015 first and Olynyk, who proved to be an NBA caliber big man and is under contract for cheap the next three seasons is comparable, if not even better value.

     

    Why Philly does this deal:

     

    There are a few reasons.

     

    1. The Sixers pick up two more assets in exchange for money. As they continue their "total teardown" rebuild..assets are always wanted.

     

    2. Philly is way below the salary floor, and this deal would help them reach it. The NBA instituted a floor that each team must spend to every season in the last CBA, and next year it figures to be around $56 million. At the moment the Sixers have about $27 million in commitments for 2014-15, and even including their draft picks, that number doesn't figure to jump above $35 million. This deal brings them to $52 million..allowing them to come close to the floor, but not approach the cap. And they bring in two more assets in the process.

     

    So let's say this happens, here's an updated Celtics' roster.

     

    Updated roster:

     

    Rondo
    Love
    Wallace
    Pressey
    17th pick (cap hold): $1,480,000

     

    Updated salary:

     

    $41,121,399

     


    Move #3: Decline Pressey's option/deal him for a second round pick

     

    The Celtics still need just a tad bit more cap space, so they'll need to decline Pressey's $816,000 option for 2014-15, or deal him for a second rounder (second round picks do not have cap holds). Also they'll need to give up their rights to Avery Bradley, making him an unrestricted free agent, and removing his cap hold.

     

    Updated salary:

     

    $40,304,917

     

    So where does this leave us?

     

    Well the 2014-15 salary cap is scheduled to be $63,200,000. So with all of these moves, the Cs will have $22,895,083 in cap space. That's important, because they can offer Melo a max deal.

     


    Move #4: Give Carmelo Anthony a 4 year, $95.9 million deal

     

    With all of their new cap space, the Celtics could give Anthony a max deal (4 years, $95,897,372), with a $22,458,401 salary in 2014-15. Carmelo would have to take a four year deal as opposed to the five years the Knicks could offer, but he'd be making the same yearly salary. So if he's confident he'll still be a max player in four years, he loses no money, and he'll be in a much better situation. Let's say he takes the bait (we've always heard he loves Rondo) -- here's where we stand.

     

    Updated roster:

     

    Rondo
    Anthony
    Love
    Wallace
    17th pick (cap hold): $1,480,000

     

    Updated salary:

     

    $62,763,318 ($436,682 below cap)

     

    And there we go. The Celtics have their three stars, Wallace, and the #17 pick. And nothing else. While we've successfully put the three some together, there's not much else in the cupboard. So let's see if we can make one more move.

     


    Move #5: Trade for Larry Sanders

     

    Now we're getting a little crazy, but here me out.

     

    Celtics deal: Gerald Wallace, 2017 first round pick (with right to swap with Nets) (salary leaving: $10,105,855)

     

    Celtics receive: Larry Sanders (salary coming in: $11,000,000)

     

    Why the Celtics do this deal:

     

    Kevin Love cannot protect the paint, and this team badly needs a defensive backbone. They give up Wallace (oh no!), and a future first rounder, including the valuable right to swap with the Nets that season. If the Celtics are going all in, this is a no brainer, despite Sanders' off the court issues.

     

    Why the Bucks do this deal:

     

    If the Cavs take Andrew Wiggins or Jabari Parker, the Bucks are going to take Joel Embiid. And that would clearly open up Sanders to be dealt. But even if they take Parker or Wiggins, Milwaukee may be looking to move the problematic Sanders. He's about to get very expensive (4 year, $44 million extension kicks in this year), and for a rebuilding team, that's a high price to pay. Yes, Wallace's deal sucks, but it's also done in two seasons, compared to Sanders running for four more years. Milwaukee also adds a first rounder in three years, which could be a great pick if the Nets crater. Wallace also becomes movable next summer as an expiring contract. It's far from a guarantee that the Bucks jump on this, but if necessary the Celtics could also offer a 2019 first rounder to sweeten the pot.

     

    Let's say Milwaukee does pull the trigger.

     

    Updated roster:

     

    Rondo
    Anthony
    Love
    Sanders
    17th pick (cap hold): $1,480,000

     

    Updated salary:

     

    $63,657,463

     

    So the Celtics have four players and the 17th pick. Use that 17th pick on the best shooting guard available (Nik Stauskas, Gary Harris or Zach Lavine).

     

    Updated roster:

     

    Rondo
    Stauskas/Harris/Lavine
    Anthony
    Love
    Sanders

     

    Bench: Ummmm

     

    The Celtics would be just over the cap, but well below the luxury tax, allowing them to use their mid-level exception to bring in bench help. They would also be a major contender that could attract a ton of different guys to play for them (remember the 2007-08 Celtics brought in Posey and House this way).

     

    Sure, this team is woefully thin..but if you truly think the Rondo/Melo/Love can bring home a title, this is how it needs to happen. It's not going to be cheap to acquire two studs in their prime, and the Celtics will absolutely need to use all of their bullets in their gun.

     

    Now the better question becomes: is it worth it?

     

    I'm tired and just did a lot of math, so I'll leave that up to you. But it would be a really fun team to watch, and if Sanders bounces back to his 2012-13 form and protects the basket, and some quality vets join the team..look out.

     

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    Nice try, but NO...you need more than 5-6 guys and nobody is giving up a 2nd for Pressy



    Agreed, plus we have some talented youngsters to put around Love and Rondo, you can't get rid of everyone.  I'd like to see that lineup with Fav at center hey Mel?!  Jk



    LMAO! What the heck, why not...sink or swim time! What's the worse he could do, be sent to Maine and dent door frames?

     
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    Re: Great Article - How the Cs can bring Melo and Love to Boston!

    do it

     
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    Re: Great Article - How the Cs can bring Melo and Love to Boston!

    Why no use of the TPE.  We can take back more salary then we trade.  Use it.  Resequence the deals.  Heck, I don't like the melo part of it anyway.  My "dream" offseason has us with Asik, love, green, Heywood, and rondo, with KO, bradley, Pressey, Faverini, the 17th pick on a SF/SG and wallace(we are stuck with him). 

     
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    Re: Great Article - How the Cs can bring Melo and Love to Boston!

    Lots of work went into that BCSP, but in the end I don't like it that much for several reasons:

    1, You fail to mention why Bradley is just allowed to walk (unless I missed it somewhere). The QO is not made? He's not included in a sign and trade?

    2. If the Celtics trade Kelly O AND a 1st rd pick to the Sixers AND Faverani there is NO WAY they get to have Jeff Green, who has real value. they better be taking Wallace. That eliminates the Wallace for Sanders options, which was an idea of Mployee and myself.

    3. Most people agree that while the Celtics can clear the cap space for Love and Melo everything works better if Melo is part of a sign and trade.

    4. Stauskas, Harris and LaVine will almost certainly all be gone by 17, but who knows.

    5. You fail to mention using the TPE, which I used to acquire Kevin Martin and Emeka Okafor in my similar idea on how to built a title contender. It just requires Melo taking a pay cut.

    I'll paste it into the next post

    like my way of getting Love and Melo much better, it creates a team that also has Tyson Chandler, Kevin Martin and 

     
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    Re: Great Article - How the Cs can bring Melo and Love to Boston!

    A cheap way to get Love:

    Wallace, Bogans non-guaranteed, Sully, picks 6 and 17 and our 2017 pick (that we can swap with the Nets) top 3 protected IF Love signs here long-term. Love just has to pick up his 2015-16 option for now.

    That means 15.5 million of Love comes in, 17 million goes out, including the cap hits for picks 6 and 17 and of course Minny doesn't have to pay Bogans. They get THREE top young talents RIGHT NOW in return and later shed 3 years and 21 million of Martin for NOTHING in a separate deal with our TPE.

    That puts Boston at:

    Love - 15.5

    Rondo - 13

    Green - 9.2

    Bass - 7

    Joel Anthony - 3.8

    Bradley - 3.5 (QO)

    Olynyk - 2

    Faverani - 2

    Pressey - 1

    57 million. With a cap of around 65 million that is 8 million in cap space.

    Tyson Chandler makes 14.6 million next year.

    The Celtics trade Green, Anthony, Faverani and Bass (22 million) plus the cap space (8 million) to the Knicks for Chandler (14.6) and Melo signs at a deal starting around 16 million.

    That can be done.

     
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    In response to Mployee8's comment:

    In response to rameakap's comment:

    A cheap way to get Love:

    Wallace, Bogans non-guaranteed, Sully, picks 6 and 17 and our 2017 pick (that we can swap with the Nets) top 3 protected IF Love signs here long-term. Love just has to pick up his 2015-16 option for now.

    That means 15.5 million of Love comes in, 17 million goes out, including the cap hits for picks 6 and 17 and of course Minny doesn't have to pay Bogans. They get THREE top young talents RIGHT NOW in return and later shed 3 years and 21 million of Martin for NOTHING in a separate deal with our TPE.

    That puts Boston at:

    Love - 15.5

    Rondo - 13

    Green - 9.2

    Bass - 7

    Joel Anthony - 3.8

    Bradley - 3.5 (QO)

    Olynyk - 2

    Faverani - 2

    Pressey - 1

    57 million. With a cap of around 65 million that is 8 million in cap space.

    Tyson Chandler makes 14.6 million next year.

    The Celtics trade Green, Anthony, Faverani and Bass (22 million) plus the cap space (8 million) to the Knicks for Chandler (14.6) and Melo signs at a deal starting around 16 million.

    That can be done.




    What happened to Hump ... No S&T with him ... We let him walk for cap space?




    I believe that once we are a taxpaying team we are not allowed to do any sign and trades.

    I would prefer to sign Hump for 5 million to using 3.5 million of the TPE on Okafor. But I actually feel Hump will get like 3/21 from someone.

    Does that mean I lose my bet with Fierce? Hahaha... nope, the coward was not man enough to bet on whether Hump would leave for NOTHING, like he beat a horse about leading about to the trade deadline humphries would 'have to be gone by'. Oops.

     
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    Re: Great Article - How the Cs can bring Melo and Love to Boston!

    "The NBA is all about stars" - yes, but at least two of the three stars need to be excellent defensive players as well. Look at the history. There can be one Dirk Nowitzski type but the rest must defend. Love AND Melo won't work for that reason. They will never win a championship together. You have to choose between them for that reason. 

       
     
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    In response to BostonTrollSpanker's comment:

    "The NBA is all about stars" - yes, but at least two of the three stars need to be excellent defensive players as well. Look at the history. There can be one Dirk Nowitzski type but the rest must defend. Love AND Melo won't work for that reason. They will never win a championship together. You have to choose between them for that reason. 

       



    They are just as good at defending SF's and PF's as Ray and Pierce were at SG's and SF's.

    Magic, Worthy, Bird, Kareem and Parish were hardly defenders. 

    Those Mavs had Chandler and he is a guy I have us getting along with Melo. Bradley is your Dennis Johnson/Tony Allen. Rondo was a former all-defensive guy who would of course have to get back to that level if we were to win a title. Bring an Okafor, Humphries or Jordan Hill off the bench and such a team will be more ok on defense.

     
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