Greatest franchise in the history of sports

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    Greatest franchise in the history of sports

    What is the greatest team in the history of american professional sports? To me it comes down to three choices. First, as much as it hurts me to leave my beloved red sox out of this discussion the yanquis have won 28 world championships and they are inarguably the most successful team in the history of american sports. In hockey you have les habitants, the Montreal Canadiens. Their 23 championships are second only to the yankees. Also their presence in our division make them great measuring sticks for the boston club. In basketball you have the boston celtics. Their run of 8 straight championships is unequalled in the annals of sports. Bill Russell was God in shorts.I'm proud to even have a New Engl;and team in the discussion.
     
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    I think you mean franchise.
     
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    I think this is a loaded question filled with bias. You can't possibly have a quality debate when one of your horses are in the race.

    come on now....
     
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    I think you mean franchise.
    Posted by fitz0527
    That is what i meant fitz. Thank you.
     
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    1. Yankees
    2. Celtics
    3. Montreal
     
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    The Lakers are the greatest franchise in basketball and not the Celtics which is why I vote "other." The Lakers are the greatest because of what they have been able to accomplish year in and year out (decade in and decade out). They are a winning franchise, period. I could go on and on about how many records that team holds with regards to wins; playoffs and regular season dominance. We could talk about the amount of championships/conference championships, division titles, etc. But I won't.

    I want to simply address your premise that the Celtics are the greatest NBA franchise based on what they did in an 8 year span which to me is not taking into consideration the fact that the NBA is over 60 years old! No team in pro sports can be considered the greatest ever based on what they might have accomplished in an 8 year span ESPECIALLY when you consider the circumstances surrounding those 8 years. The NBA of the 1960's can be described (and often is) as the ancient past NBA when the league had no 7 footers and only 8 teams. This so-called feat will always have the asterisk that says "pre-talent, pre-segregation."
    We must look at what the Celtics have done throughout their history in every decade. When you do that, they don't come out on top, that puple and gold team out West does.


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    The Yankees have won 27 championships.  They will never win a 28th!
     
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    The Lakers are the greatest franchise in basketball and not the Celtics which is why I vote "other." The Lakers are the greatest because of what they have been able to accomplish year in and year out (decade in and decade out). They are a winning franchise, period. I could go on and on about how many records that team holds with regards to wins; playoffs and regular season dominance. We could talk about the amount of championships/conference championships, division titles, etc. But I won't.

    I want to simply address your premise that the Celtics are the greatest NBA franchise based on what they did in an 8 year span which to me is not taking into consideration the fact that the NBA is over 60 years old! No team in pro sports can be considered the greatest ever based on what they might have accomplished in an 8 year span ESPECIALLY when you consider the circumstances surrounding those 8 years. The NBA of the 1960's can be described (and often is) as the ancient past NBA when the league had no 7 footers and only 8 teams. This so-called feat will always have the asterisk that says "pre-talent, pre-segregation."
    We must look at what the Celtics have done throughout their history in every decade. When you do that, they don't come out on top, that
    puple and gold team out West does.

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    the above comes to us courtesy of one elias bracamonte. thanks, elias! way to finish strong with the puple and gold reference. sounds so regal.
     
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    huh....no 7 footers in the "8 team league"?  ........please!
     
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    huh....no 7 footers in the "8 team league"?  ........please!
    Posted by Duke4


    It seems that the Lakers must have really stunk it up to not have their own 8 season streak in such a "weak" league.

    That's just terrible.Embarassed
     
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    Actually, the Lakers were a quality team in those days.....the Celtics just dominated them....but they dominated the entire league during that time...
     
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    In Response to Re: Greatest franchise in the history of sports : Hard to argue with this so I won't. It's true the Green stunk for some 20 odd years and that has to be factored where as the Lakers have consistently been there or there abouts. However, are we so ignorant that we disregard some international teams? The likes of a Manchester United or Liverpool have had numerous glory years over a long period of time. If we step out of the term 'franchise' and look at sports teams, then there's none better than the New Zealand All Blacks. Some thing like a 75% winning ratio over a 100+ year span!
    Posted by RUMcHale


    Good to see that you are still around.  I was getting worried that I may be the only Lakers fan left on this forum.  I agree.  The Lakers are a better franchise that the Celtics because they have been true to their color as witnessed by multiple head-to-head matchups.

    Go Lakers: Yellow to the core.
     
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    "Yellow to the core"

    ?

     
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    I was going to mention Liverpool and Manchester United.  I was also going to add the Steelers and the 49ers for football.
     
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    On top of Liverpool and Man Utd, you could also mention Juventus, Real Madrid and Barcelona as great football teams.

    Out of the three teams metioned above. Wouldn't the Yankees be the only American team that has a true global name. Celtics and Canadiens would only be known to those that follow Basketball and Ice Hockey around the world.

    I picked the Canadiens only because of where they're from. There was no logic to my decision. Go Canada!
     
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    Boston Celtics-NBA
    New York yankees-MLB
    Montreal Canadians-NHL

    I'm leaning Steelers in the NFL
     
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    It is hard enough comparing eras in sports let alone franchises in different sports. Validity has to come into question.

    The NBA did not come into existence until 1946, generations after baseball or Hockey.

    Since 1946 both the Celtics and the Yankees have won seventeen championships, while the Canadians have won nineteen. However, since most hockey talent has always come from Canada, there seems to be an advantage for Canadian teams.

    Certainly teams with money to spend tend to win. They are all great franchises and deserve their following.
     
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    What is the greatest team in the history of american professional sports? To me it comes down to three choices. First, as much as it hurts me to leave my beloved red sox out of this discussion the yanquis have won 28 world championships and they are inarguably the most successful team in the history of american sports. In hockey you have les habitants, the Montreal Canadiens. Their 23 championships are second only to the yankees. Also their presence in our division make them great measuring sticks for the boston club. In basketball you have the boston celtics. Their run of 8 straight championships is unequalled in the annals of sports. Bill Russell was God in shorts.I'm proud to even have a New Engl;and team in the discussion.
    Posted by carnie


    It's the Yankees...hands down! And it's not even close.

    And I HATE the Yankees, but I've got to give them their due.

    As others have already pointed out here, the Celtics aren't even the best in their league...that would be the Lakers. It goes FAR beyond having won 17 banners. The Lakers are the Marquee franchise of the NBA, with the C's a close second.
     
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    In Response to Greatest franchise in the history of sports : It's the Yankees...hands down! And it's not even close. And I HATE the Yankees, but I've got to give them their due. As others have already pointed out here, the Celtics aren't even the best in their league...that would be the Lakers. It goes FAR beyond having won 17 banners. The Lakers are the Marquee franchise of the NBA, with the C's a close second.
    Posted by Qdaddy



    Why is it hands down?

    Don't you find it hypocritical to say the Yankees "hands down" when most of their 27 titles were won with only 8 teams in the league, no playoffs, no night games and no relief specialists?  I mean, lakers fans discount 11 of the Celtics titles for those reasons, why can't we discount, like 20 of the Yankees?
    Your logic is illogical!

    And just for the record, I say Yankees, Celtics and Steelers....don't really care aboot (ha ha) hockey, but I'll say Canadiens!
     
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    It is hard enough comparing eras in sports let alone franchises in different sports. Validity has to come into question. The NBA did not come into existence until 1946, generations after baseball or Hockey. Since 1946 both the Celtics and the Yankees have won seventeen championships, while the Canadians have won nineteen. However, since most hockey talent has always come from Canada, there seems to be an advantage for Canadian teams. Certainly teams with money to spend tend to win. They are all great franchises and deserve their following.
    Posted by TeamUmbutu


    Well said!

    I *hate* the Canadiens because they ruined my brief foray into hockey by reverse sweeping the Bruins and then coming back from down 3-1 in a series before the strike (left a permanent bad taste in my mouth for Bruins' choking culture).  Nonetheless, their success rate is absurd and respectable.

    Same goes for the Yankees, who won in a smaller league but still won.  Also, their money advantage isn't just location-based.  They've done a good job building a global brand that foreign talent want to join.  Their new stadium, while quieter and infinitely less intimidating, is a goldmine and an architectural joy.  And now they're getting smarter by signing guys like Teixeira instead of Giambi et al.

    I'd say the Celtics and Lakers are lumped together.  When you've won more than half of your league's championships, it's really nitpicking to compare the two.  Their wins and losses are within 50 of each other (or something absurd like that).  Virtually the same number of all stars.  Virtually the same number of Hall of Famers.  I might not like the Lakers, but I can respect their success insofar as Lakers fans can not be immature pr*cks about ours.  The Lakers do have a more global brand, but the NBA's early foundation was laid by the Celtics before the Lakers really took off.

    Football is tough.  The Cowboys although despised have a brilliant stadium in a football-crazy state, but they still only have 3 championships.  I'd say the NFL is a toss-up between the 49ers and the Steelers.

    But comparing between sports is almost impossible.  Comparing between eras across sports is asinine.
     
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    In Response to Re: Greatest franchise in the history of sports : Why is it hands down? Don't you find it hypocritical to say the Yankees "hands down" when most of their 27 titles were won with only 8 teams in the league, no playoffs, no night games and no relief specialists?  I mean, lakers fans discount 11 of the Celtics titles for those reasons, why can't we discount, like 20 of the Yankees? Your logic is illogical! And just for the record, I say Yankees, Celtics and Steelers....don't really care aboot (ha ha) hockey, but I'll say Canadiens!
    Posted by hedleylamarr


    No, I'm not being hypocritical. It's because the Yankees have won their 27 titles in EVERY decade, with the exception of the 80's. That's dominance. It didn't matter how many teams were in the league, or if the games were played day or night or lack of relief specialists. They Yankees are CLEARLY the most dominating team in American sports.

    The Lakers are almost even with the Celtics and have been to more NBA finals. So I can't put the Celtics ahead of the Yankees and I personally believe the Lakers are now the NBA's dominating franchise. That's just my opinion which I'm sure many here won't agree with.
     
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    MLB-Yankees
    NBA-Lakers
    NHL-Canadiens
    NFL-Steelers/49ers
     
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