History Lesson For Those Who Don't Believe

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    The thing that messed up that season was Shaq getting hurt and then Rondo in the playoffs.

    If Shaq and Rondo had stayed healthy, we could of won the championship without Perkins.

     
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    The thing that messed up that season was Shaq getting hurt and then Rondo in the playoffs.

    If Shaq and Rondo had stayed healthy, we could of won the championship without Perkins.

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    People always forget, Perk had been hurt and we won with Shaq looking good and Jermaine. Yes, it was a bad move for that year in retrospect, but it was not a case of Danny blowing up a team now to compete later. If anything it was Danny being to cute thinking he could exchange one of our three really good starting Centers for a HUGE upgrade to the trash backing up Pierce.

     

    Also, remember the true target was Harden. Harden would have gotten us a championship and you better believe Danny would have paid him and not let him walk.

     
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    Remember in 2011 when Ainge traded Perk for Jeff Green?

    The Celts were 41-14 before the traded.

    After the trade the Celts only went 15-12.

     

    It was a trade that was not supposed to be done during the season as it messed up the Celts' team chemistry.

    Sure the Celts ended up winning in that trade, but it was a case of sacrificing the present for the future.

     

    All it takes is one trade and it becomes a different team.

    So all those who think Ainge will allow this team to make the playoffs, don't bet on it!



    the situation is way too different. DA should make a move as early as possible. its really hard to tank after trade deadline because most of east teams are already doing it. ainge should prevent it now before its too late and end up with top 10 pick or 8th seed at worst

     
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    Remember in 2011 when Ainge traded Perk for Jeff Green?

    The Celts were 41-14 before the traded.

    After the trade the Celts only went 15-12.

     

    It was a trade that was not supposed to be done during the season as it messed up the Celts' team chemistry.

    Sure the Celts ended up winning in that trade, but it was a case of sacrificing the present for the future.

     

    All it takes is one trade and it becomes a different team.

    So all those who think Ainge will allow this team to make the playoffs, don't bet on it!




     You're saying that Danny will act to make sure that the C's will not make the playoffs because something completely different happened in the past.

     
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    In response to chris33's comment:

     

    The thing that messed up that season was Shaq getting hurt and then Rondo in the playoffs.

    If Shaq and Rondo had stayed healthy, we could of won the championship without Perkins.

     



    You're forgetting how guys like Rondo, KG, and Doc all didn't like that trade.

     

    It messed up the team's chemistry.

     

    Also, Rondo got hurt in the playoffs.

    I clearly said the Celts went 15-12 after the trade.

    Why is this siginificant?

    The Celts were 1st place in the eastern conference at the time of the trade.

    Going from 1st to 3rd tells you something is wrong.

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    I still believe that the team that was assembled that year was the best Celtics team since the '85 squad until Ainge blew it up. That was an awesome team. The Celtics would have won the finals that year had Ainge not made those trades.

     
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     You're saying that Danny will act to make sure that the C's will not make the playoffs because something completely different happened in the past.

     

     

    What I'm saying is one move can make or break a team.

    If the Celts keep winning, Ainge trades Bass, Lee, and other players and we'll be seeing a different Celtics team in late February.

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      only if they "keep winning" you say (7-12)

     
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    Repeat after me:

    Marquis Daniels went down.  There was no backup for PP.  Ainge had to do something to be able to win that season.  The other centers were doing okay.  He did not blow it up for the future.

    How quickly people forget.

     

     
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    Repeat after me:

    Marquis Daniels went down.  There was no backup for PP.  Ainge had to do something to be able to win that season.  The other centers were doing okay.  He did not blow it up for the future.

    How quickly people forget.

     

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    What DA may not have anticipated  was Rondo having such a strong reaction to his BBF, Perk, being traded away.

    Rondo was an emotional basketcase for much of the 2nd half of the season as the team spiraled downward.

    The PO injury against Wade/Miami seemed to snap him out of his funk for the moment... to play with some sense of urgency. 

    Too little... too late.

    Pud

     

     
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    If Jeff Green had some sac and was willing and able to use his body in more situations he could be one of the best players in the league. Unfortunately he doesn't, and is content to just kind of be there and delicately and politely reach with the arms. There's never any extra battle and raw desire, which are essential to winning tough playoff series.  I don't think you can fix that, certainly not at this stage of a career, so I think it's time to wrap that one up and move on. 

    Was this a thread hijack? Sure. I guess it qualifies, but there was no Jeff Green thread available and I didn't feel like starting one. If there was a points system here you could downvote me. However there is not.

     
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    The reason the C's went from one to three in the east was that Shaq went down.


    Perkins was coming back from surgery and played about  seven games in the first half of the season before he was dealt for Green?

     

    Shaq was playing really well and if he had stayed physically intact the C's had a decent chance at a title that year. 

     
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    The reason the C's went from one to three in the east was that Shaq went down.


    Perkins was coming back from surgery and played about  seven games in the first half of the season before he was dealt for Green?

     

    Shaq was playing really well and if he had stayed physically intact the C's had a decent chance at a title that year. 

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     You're saying that Danny will act to make sure that the C's will not make the playoffs because something completely different happened in the past.

     

     

     

     

    What I'm saying is one move can make or break a team.

    If the Celts keep winning, Ainge trades Bass, Lee, and other players and we'll be seeing a different Celtics team in late February.



      Ainge  may trade a number of players win or lose.

     
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    Humphries and Wallace would not be missed.  Bass and Lee would.  Rondo will be back soon. We will see how much "tanking" will be going on.

     
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    Son, you have a problem, the Celtics are in 2nd place and a half game out of first!Missingteeth

     
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    The Celts built a good record the year Perk was traded but Perk wasnt part of it.. he sat out most of the season with an injury... and I cant accept anyone doubting Shaq was doing great things for the C's/// Ainges gamble on dumping Perk made sense b/c we didnt need him and he was gonna leave anyway.  Shaq was much better and I think we win the title if Shaq didnt go down.

    Also, our record nose dived due to Shaqs injury and what Pud posted.. which is Rondo going in the tank cause his bf was traded away... he was awful and his rebellion was transparent on the court...

    Yea, Ainge broke up the title starting 5 but only Rondo reacted in a way to cost the team.. Im sure the other players realized this wasnt a trade out of the blue which was shocking, rather the Celtics protecting the interests of their franchise and getting Green in return for Perk instead of nothing.... which would have been the case is Perk finished the season with us

     
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