Hornets Vs Celtics thread

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    This one is over



    It was over since 2nd quarter. This team isn't good enough and so is the coach. Barbosa should have been playing more minutes. Other guys didn't show up to play. 

     
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    The defense forces the miss but the Hornets just grab the offensive rebound and put it back in the basket.

     




    Fierce, they are breaking us down in pick and roll.  We just don't have anybody making shots.  Making shots is the bigger problem.



    Nobody's making shots because the Hornets know the Celts will just shoot from the outside. NO INSIDE THREAT!

     

     



    Understand.  But so many wide open shots are being missed.  Make them and the lane will open up.

     

     



    You can't go outside first then inside. It's supposed to be pass the ball in the low post then kick it out if double teamed. A shooter will be open. 

     

    There's no need to double team outside shooters, just challenge the shot.



    It doesn't matter how you get the open 3.  The Celts got a lot of wide open 3s.  They missed most of them.  Plus the free throw issues.  I conclude that the Celts just didn't have their focus today.  Doc was conflicted and the Celts were just not ready.

     
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    Fierce said it best when he stated that a "winning streak" solves all problems .... well this game is an obvious example of the same problems that make this team average.  Rebounding problems, interior D  issues and lack of a real scorer will keep the Cs in the middle of the pack...



    To get beat this badly at home is an embarrassment...  horrible 3pt as well as foul shooting.. getting beat on the boards and no real fire from this team tonite... these are the games youd like to see rondo take over but it seems he goes the other direction.... not blaming Rondo for the loss but if he is the leader of this team then he needs to bring it every night

     
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    They look like freaiking clowns out there "trying to win" with such little time left. Bad coaching, straight up.

     
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    The 3-point shot can't be your 1st option or your main weapon.

     

     

    Hornets - 48 rebounds

    Celtics - 33 rebounds

    That has been a problem for years now.

     

    The Celtics have to have an inside presence so that they will get more easy shots. If the 3s are falling then pound the ball inside. The Celtics can't do that because they have no one who can score inside on a regular basis.

    Tonight was an example of how another decent big man, Rob Lopez, looked liked an All-Star against the Celtic bigs.



    how about the story of how rondo plays like a d-league point guard against a rookie?

     
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    Doc - you got to admit that you should have put Barbosa in sooner. His spark could have saved us if you had started it earlier!!

     



    But Lee was playing so well of late.

     

    If we want to see more of Barbosa then one has to go. It's either keep Lee or Barbosa, but not both.



    No, that's nott right. Doc can keep all five guards. Lee's minutes are fine as is. But, Barbossa needs to be integrated into a line-up for situations like tonight when we are down by 10 and have five minutes left in the quarter and need instant offense.

    The point is Doc needs to use Barbossa better and integrate him into a strategy. Think the "hurry-up" offense of the Patriots. Celtics need to cultivate that ability for ithat nstant offense which leads to a turnaround.

     
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    Doc - you got to admit that you should have put Barbosa in sooner. His spark could have saved us if you had started it earlier!!




    doc has all of the in-game talent vs. situation judgement of a drunken AAU coach

     
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    Wake up call to anyone thinking no moves need to be made.  This team has a good core, but still has a lot of flaws. The fact that a move needs to be made does not mean one will happen, but the teams deficiencies need to be addressed before they can be considered a legit contender

     
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    Just a bad effort tonight.  Esspecially Rondo, our inconsistent go-to superstar leader, goes .333 FT% and .375 FG% for 7 points and 5 turnovers in 32 minutes.   Team stars just don't put up those horrendous numbers.  and so, we get blown out by a cellar dweller... 

    Terry is a bust. Bass is a bench player. Sully needs more time to develop.  Green is not being utilized properly.  Pierce and Garnett cannot provide consistenly high offensive output anymore. and Rondo... (see above)   

    I've been saying it for months. WE must trade for a very good rebounding center and a SG scorer. and it will take Rondo to get that deal done - and he is replaceable - otherwise we end up with more mediocre fillers and no chance at another title.

     
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    I expect Ainge to get some help in the next week... if he doesnt then he delusional about this teams talent and makeup.

     
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    Doc - you got to admit that you should have put Barbosa in sooner. His spark could have saved us if you had started it earlier!!

     



    But Lee was playing so well of late.

     

    If we want to see more of Barbosa then one has to go. It's either keep Lee or Barbosa, but not both.

     



    No, that's nott right. Doc can keep all five guards. Lee's minutes are fine as is. But, Barbossa needs to be integrated into a line-up for situations like tonight when we are down by 10 and have five minutes left in the quarter and need instant offense.

     

    The point is Doc needs to use Barbossa better and integrate him into a strategy. Think the "hurry-up" offense of the Patriots. Celtics need to cultivate that ability for ithat nstant offense which leads to a turnaround.

     



    Why are you comparing the Celtics to the Patriots? That's not a fair comparison.

     

    No team NBA team uses 5 guards every night. Name an NBA team that uses a 5-guard rotation.




    What  happened to "Avery next coming of Michael Jordan Bradley" 4 pts. -8, rebs 0 assist 1 and rookie of the year Sullinger 4 pts, 2 rebs - 2???? (According to Clueless34 AKA Bandwagon34 AKA Debbie Downer34) Thanks Danny!!!!!

     
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    Just a bad effort tonight.  Esspecially Rondo, our inconsistent go-to superstar leader, goes .333 FT% and .375 FG% for 7 points and 5 turnovers in 32 minutes.   Team stars just don't put up those horrendous numbers.  and so, we get blown out by a cellar dweller... 

    Terry is a bust. Bass is a bench player. Sully needs more time to develop.  Green is not being utilized properly.  Pierce and Garnett cannot provide consistenly high offensive output anymore. and Rondo... (see above)   

    I've been saying it for months. WE must trade for a very good rebounding center and a SG scorer. and it will take Rondo to get that deal done - and he is replaceable - otherwise we end up with more mediocre fillers and no chance at another title.



    DING DING DING DING!!!!!!! !!!!     !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   #@#@$#%$%^%^&*&*(&^&$%$##@!@

     

    and welcome to the next four years of green not being utilized properly.  doc and his nightly role-shifting circus are not suitable to many players- when MOST ALL of your acquired talent is turning up stinko- it makes you really wonder....  and as for bass, DOC DID make a significant change to his role starting this year- implementing the era of bass having NO ROLE in the post- that's right- a pure jump shooting #4/ "5" (lol at the 5 part).

    you just DO NOT DO THAT to any 4's- you give them a looky in close just for the sake of variety and keeping things fresh offensively.

    and that brings us to lee, terry AND STILL YET green turning up stinko to join BASS

    in other words, EVERY SINGLE PLAYER save for SULLINGER who is a ROOKIE (and we have no other DECENT people to throw out there to impersonate a 5 in spot duty) who has joined the team in the last two years, OOOOPPPPPPS I FORGOT BARBAROSA TOO, is turning up STINKO.

    is that THEIR FAULT or the fault of a malignantly overrated coach who has no idea how to / desire to actually give people A ROLE they can depend on.  the ADD thing does not work- seat of the pants is great for doc to dingle dangle around in his head and AWFUL for every player on this team other than KG, bradley, rondo, pierce.

    think about it- if your workplace was trick or treat, who knows what you do and when each day- would your heart be in it?  sullinger is a rook, so anything is better than getting screamed at in college- but it's no coninky dinky that the veterans this team have brought in are coming up ZERO

     
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    Bad ball movement out front and no transition game because of lack of rebounding cripples everyone's game.

     
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    Doc - you got to admit that you should have put Barbosa in sooner. His spark could have saved us if you had started it earlier!!

     



    But Lee was playing so well of late.

     

    If we want to see more of Barbosa then one has to go. It's either keep Lee or Barbosa, but not both.

     



    No, that's nott right. Doc can keep all five guards. Lee's minutes are fine as is. But, Barbossa needs to be integrated into a line-up for situations like tonight when we are down by 10 and have five minutes left in the quarter and need instant offense.

     

    The point is Doc needs to use Barbossa better and integrate him into a strategy. Think the "hurry-up" offense of the Patriots. Celtics need to cultivate that ability for ithat nstant offense which leads to a turnaround.

     



    Why are you comparing the Celtics to the Patriots? That's not a fair comparison.

     

    No team NBA team uses 5 guards every night. Name an NBA team that uses a 5-guard rotation.


    http://www.boston.com/community/forums/sports/celtics/on-the-front-burner/hornets-vs-celtics-thread/100/6505227?page=3#add-post-form

     

    R9R is not off base, Fierce.  All he's saying is that Barbosa can provide instant offense just like a hurry up offense in football can, so why not get him in there when you need a spark.

    What I don't understand is why Pierce kept jacking up threes and why Doc gave him the minutes he did given that a multitude of his shots were hitting the front iron.  He had nothing, although I'll allow that he did have ten boards.  Still, his offense was MIA.   

    As far as a presence down low, we have one in Sullinger, but Doc doesn't run plays for him.  I firmly believe he could score twenty a game if given the touches.

     
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    Sully is an opportunistic scorer.  Not withstanding he needs more time to develop the skills, he is too undersized to run plays for underneath, unless Doc wants to feed him leather and bruises. 

     
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    Respectfully disagree, Dunker.  I think he'd make a living at the foul line.

     
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    And I'm not saying they don't need another big.  Just that I think Jared's role is being too limited.

     
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    And I'm not saying they don't need another big.  Just that I think Jared's role is being too limited.

     
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    Bass plays hard but he's just too small. Every time Vasquez got in the paint and Bass challenged, Bass couldn't reach the ball. It's like he was just slapping air. A Gortat or even a Josh Smith would have blocked some of those lay-ups by Vasquez. 

    When the 3s were not falling, the Celts couldn't go inside because they have no one who can score with his back to the basket.

    The Celtics are a very small team. They will just be around .500 mark if Ainge doesn't make a change.

     




    bass plays hard, bass plays hard.  maybe so.

     

    but look at what's changed from last year to this year.  it's plain to see.  he's been banished from the post.  he's confused about his role.  who else said that?  jamell o'neal, now contributing in phoenix, also said that about his "role" with the celts when doc decided it wise to COMPLETELY ICE HIM OUT of any scrimmage "looks" on offense!!  and we saw the ugly air balls and other party fouls that came from lack of practice... then there was glen davis who echoed the same type of role confusion....


    let's see- who else might be confused with their role?  JEFF GREEN MAYBE???  he looks like he's confused a lot out there! 

    i wonder if courtney lee has any idea what is role is?  jason terry?  leandro barbosa?

    all of 'em are playing like trash.

    but wait until your SECOND YEAR- that's when doc will define what your role IS NOT and it will seem to fly in the face of conventional wisdom of your 1-5 position, whatever it may be!!  kind of like his fatwah to bass- get out of that paint brandon!!!  and bass has never looked....   more lost.  low fg%, FTA's in the basement- his entire game stinks....  any cause and effect linkage with this link?


    http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/2012/10/15/brandon-bass-tries-stay-focused-despite-being-unsure-his-role-for-this-season/HBUp53sUJtVR9bFFQJNhgO/story.html

     
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    I hit "Add your post" once and it posted twice (???).  I so dislike the new format.  It's why I hardly ever post anymore.

     
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    Tonight was instructive to all the pumpers here who want to believe we are ready to win a championship.  If we kill the Bulls on Friday we still need help up front.  It is not going away. It is a glaring weakness, this team is going to burn out Garnett by the All Star break.

     

    The idea that Sullinger, Wilcox and Collins provide enough help upfront is insane.

     
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