I like Perk as much as the next guy, but c'mon...

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    Re: I like Perk as much as the next guy, but c'mon...

    If there isn't another, couple aces up Danny's sleeve, why would he need to trade Luke and Semih at all.  Ditto Marquis.  I can understand trading one to open a spot, but three?  He knows something.

    PA
     
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    Re: I like Perk as much as the next guy, but c'mon...

    In Response to Re: I like Perk as much as the next guy, but c'mon...:
    Let's not forget that we obtained the Clippers #1 pick in 2012.  If it is a lottery pick,  this could potentially be a very big deal.  Problem is the short run.  I'm troubled losing Perk's defensive presence.  You need an enforcer.  However, we have needed a 3/4 type player(Posey).  We now have one and a top 5 pick(Dudder speak!) to boot.  Krstic is not a total stiff.  We need Shaq and JON back for insurance after launching Semih.  I was initially puzzled by the Semih trade, but it as well as the Marquis trade open up roster spots. So we now have 3 open spots.  I feel Danny has another shoe or three to drop on us.  He keeps us engaged.  Let the speculation begin!!!  Or continue? How's Leon running these days? PA +
    Posted by PACelt


    Unfortunately, it can not be a lottery-pick, it's called a "lottery-protected pick," they received in the deal. In other words, the best it sould be is I believe 10th overall. If the Clippers are in the lottery, the C's will get their next year's 1st-round pick.
     
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    Re: I like Perk as much as the next guy, but c'mon...

    the future of the team looks like this in the next week.

    C shaq
    f kg 
    f truth
    g sugar ray
    g rondo

    c krstic
    f bbd
    f green
    g wafer 
    g west 

    c sheed
    f jon
    f murphy
    g rip 
    g avery
     
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    Re: I like Perk as much as the next guy, but c'mon...

    I cant like this trade for this season untill DA fills in the other open spots.... with a Center as one.

    Long term, its a good move getting a young stud like Green and some draft picks.

    Its gonna be Sheed I think...what other center might be available from a buyout?

    Like someone posted earlier, DA wouldnt leave 2-3 open spots without something in the works.

    BTW, just caught a little of the game last night b4 I fell asleep... The Johnson D-leaguer has some energy and looked decent. How'd he do the rest of the game?
     
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    BTW, just caught a little of the game last night b4 I fell asleep... The Johnson D-leaguer has some energy and looked decent. How'd he do the rest of the game?

    Johnson looks like a Camby-esque shot blocker and he has athleticism in surplus.  Unfortunately for him, he also looks like Marcus Camby after a month of a slim fast and lettuce diet. 
     
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    Re: I like Perk as much as the next guy, but c'mon...

    In Response to Re: I like Perk as much as the next guy, but c'mon...:
    PACelt - It's a lottery protected #1 from the Clippers. So let's start cheering that the Clippers make the 8th seed and get bounced in the first round for the highest pick possible. Petey-I agree, if Nate is bought out he could be back.
    Posted by BiasLewis


    What is the obsession with a 5" nothing guard who did little the first two times he was here. I would rather have them sign someone who can play point and shooting guard. West is not reliable due to injuries, if he goes down what then?
    Back to Nate? Isn't that one of the reasons we needed to make such drastic changes, because the bench couldn't score or defend.
     
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    Re: I like Perk as much as the next guy, but c'mon...

    Patched up one hole by opening up another one.  We need someone who can board and clog up the middle.  Going Euro with perimeter big men is something to do in October, not February.
     
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    Re: I like Perk as much as the next guy, but c'mon...

    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/2011-02-24-trade-trends_N.htmhr
    At the end of the day, it was a purely business decision. Sometimes, we fans get so emotional and don't, or can't see the tree because of the forest. This was a move to protect us from being held for ransom at a later date. Who knows, what would be available and the negotiating price might not bring the same results.
     
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    Re: I like Perk as much as the next guy, but c'mon...

    the more i think about this trade, the more i like it and i was a perk fan. people seem to forget how badly the second unit struggled this year. the starters were logging too many minutes as well. this trade hopefully alleviates both of these problems. more depth and more scoring for the second unit, plus fewer minutes for paul, ray and kg in the run up to the playoffs. it also sets us up (gasp!) for the future.

    all of the above of course is assuming DA picks up murphy or pryziblla or the like.
     
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    Re: I like Perk as much as the next guy, but c'mon...

    Unless Perk's recovery was in question, this was a huge gamble.

    The expiration date on the Big Three is near at hand, and this may be the only year that the Celtics have a chance at a championship. The looming lock-out, and possible league contraction put next year in doubt.

    I don't agree with those that say that "we have the second best defense in the league with out Perk" as being valid. While the Celtics have beaten all of the contenders without Perk, except for Dallas, the half court game dominates in the play-offs, and defense against large powerful centers becomes a matter of strength and fouls. Both Orlando, and LA have such teams. Shaq is a statue on defense these days, and gets into foul trouble early in most games. Baby can usually guard Howard, but he has no chance against Bynum, or Gasol.

    For a team with an expiration date, I see this as gambling with today for a chance not to suck so much after the big three ride off in to the sun set. Unless we can get a substantial big buy-out player (another big gamble), this trade will come back to bite the Celtics if they play the Lakers in the finals.
     
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    It could be the Celts brass no longer feel the Magic and Lakers are what they need to go through to win a title.

    Also, our inability to score and rebound was our achilles vs the Lakers last year. We got dominated on the glass with Perk playing, so he wasnt the answer. Offensively, Perk is a non event. Both he and Rondo make the game 3 vs 5 on the offensive end.  Neither can shoot or hit FT's and were an offensive liability in crunch time...  allowing defenses to sag.

    Our offense just improved in many ways... but we do lose some good screens from Perk. 

    Overall, the thinking may have shifted from tailoring the team from beating the Lakers/Magic to beating the Heat/Bulls/Mavs/Spurs.

    Maybe we pick up another BIG off a buyout. If not, we need to pray Shaq can go 20-25 mins. If so, we're ok with Kristic & Baby filling in and the long shot JON making a return.  Sheed may even join up. Some combination of the above sets us in the right direction... just have to wait and see what happens
     
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    Re: I like Perk as much as the next guy, but c'mon...

    Thanks Perk
     
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    I think people are underestimating how good Jeff Green will be.  Would it be worth it pick up Leone Powe off of the market?

     
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    gotta have some pieces in place if you're gonna make a run at howard in 2012. rondo and green are a nice start.
     
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    Re: I like Perk as much as the next guy, but c'mon...

    Karl, you may be right, but again, it is a big gamble. The Lakers, like the Celtics, were built for the play-offs. They have not aged substantially, and only Artest is playing poorly on a consistent basis. ... and since he is such a head case, his poor play may be due to boredom as much as anything.

    Certainly the Spurs and the Mavericks will make it difficult for the Lakers in the play-offs.

    The difference in game seven was that KG was injured, and would not sky for rebounds and Perk was not available to box out Bynum for rebounds. KG is back, but I am not sure that anyone else besides Perk  can box out Bynum and guard Bynum on while staying out of foul trouble. Our new replacement center is lighter than our power forward. Bynum just shoots over the top of Baby and steals his candy when he goes for the lolly-pop rebound.

    If we play the Spurs or the Mavericks, the new line up should work out fine.
    It will also work out against the Heat, and Chicago.

    ...but... it is a big gamble, we could beat those teams while Perk was playing for the Celtics. Now that he is gone, how do we beat the Lakers if we meet them?

     
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    Re: I like Perk as much as the next guy, but c'mon...

    Maybe they will get a few fast break points.
    Krstic can run well for a Center.
    Green can get up the floor too at the 4 spot.
    Delonte and Wafer can run

    Now if they can get a steal or rebound to start the break?
    I miss TA a bit as he and Rondo would motor for a few easy points on the break.
     
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    Re: I like Perk as much as the next guy, but c'mon...

    The only way fans are going to admit that this was the right move is if the Celtics win the championship.
     
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    Re: I like Perk as much as the next guy, but c'mon...

    IF Oneals are still hurt come playoffs it was a terrible trade....
     
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    Re: I like Perk as much as the next guy, but c'mon...

    The only thing that gives me a small amount of comfort is that in the past, I have had a lot of faith in Danny and Doc's decision making. Both of these guys see things that the fans don't see, and they are both have great basketball minds.

    Since the Celtics were the only true contender that made a move at the trade deadline, they must have felt that they were doing the right thing. Still it appears that the gambling risk out weighed the possible benefit, since the Celtics have already beaten all contenders (except Dallas)with the pre-trade team.

    I am still giving them the benefit of the doubt. I hope they justify my faith in them.

     
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