If Kings talk Rondo/Smith again here is the 3 team trade I'd be cool with

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    If Kings talk Rondo/Smith again here is the 3 team trade I'd be cool with

    Sacramento - Rondo and Smith


    Boston - Stauskas, Jason Thompson, Billups and Jerebko's expiring contracts and the Kings 2015 1st rd pick (top 3 protection only on it), 2017 1st rd pick (unprotected and only given if Rondo signs an extension) and the Piston's 2016 1st rd pick (top 3 protection).


    Detroit - Derrick Williams, Gerald Wallace, Faverani, Reggie Evans and Isaiah Thomas (in a sign and trade at probably around 4/20)


    Anyone know if there is a grace period after the draft when rookies cannot be traded? I thought it used to be 30 days?


     


     

     
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    Re: If Kings talk Rondo/Smith again here is the 3 team trade I'd be cool with

    The Kings ship out 25 million in salaries. Including 5m S&T value of Thomas and Stauskas at 2.3m based on rookie salary scale. They take back 27 million in the Oak Hill buddies.

    The Celtics ship out 25 million in salaries, including the odious Wallace one, and get back 16 (winning!), plus a future pick. Stauskas and the pick represent decent enough value for Rondo, could we do better somewhere else? Thompson makes 19 million over 3 years. Is that worse in Danny's eyes than Wallace's 20 over 2? If so maybe ask for another future 1st from either Detroit or Sac or swap in Outlaw/Terry expirings. I like Thompson though, he can play center here at 6'11" and is still young and helpful. Billups can finish his career like he started it, in Boston through the trade deadline. A good mentor for our young guards as well.

    Detroit moves the horrific 3/42 owed to the declining 28 year old Smith for just the awful 2/20 of a declining even more rapidly 32 year old Wallace. Then they get actual help as well. Moving the ancient Billiups for a scoring PG in Thomas with a name fans will enjoy seeing in that city and who would pair well with rookie Dinwiddie, a PG in a shooting guard's body. They get the enigma in Derrick Williams, on his 3rd team/strike to possibly replace all of Smith's production and bangers in Evans/Fav for depth behind Monroe/Drummond.

     
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    Re: If Kings talk Rondo/Smith again here is the 3 team trade I'd be cool with

    The Celtics can then start Smart right away, with the stable presences of a young pure PG career backup in Pressey (who won't be trying to steal his job) and a mentor in Billups.

    Avery is extended or an offer sheet matched and he has a pure shooter to back him up in Stauskas, something this team was desperate for.

    Green gets big mins at SF with Young backing him up in sink or swim fashion. C's should sign someone who can play SF, but it won't be Paul Pierce if Rondo is gone and we are rebuilding.

    Sully back by Bass is a productive PF pair. 

    Thompson and Olynyk are both better off as 6th men who swing between PF-C but they share the center minutes this year and next year (or at the deadline when Bass/Green are VERY attractive to contenders) the team brings in a legit center. 

    It is a young, fun team with defined roles that tanks once Bass and (maybe) Green are traded and lands a top 7 pick again. Hopefully top 3 this time.

     
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    Re: If Kings talk Rondo/Smith again here is the 3 team trade I'd be cool with

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    The Celtics can then start Smart right away, with the stable presences of a young pure PG career backup in Pressey (who won't be trying to steal his job) and a mentor in Billups.

    Avery is extended or an offer sheet matched and he has a pure shooter to back him up in Stauskas, something this team was desperate for.

    Green gets big mins at SF with Young backing him up in sink or swim fashion. C's should sign someone who can play SF, but it won't be Paul Pierce if Rondo is gone and we are rebuilding.

    Sully back by Bass is a productive PF pair. 

    Thompson and Olynyk are both better off as 6th men who swing between PF-C but they share the center minutes this year and next year (or at the deadline when Bass/Green are VERY attractive to contenders) the team brings in a legit center. 

    It is a young, fun team with defined roles that tanks once Bass and (maybe) Green are traded and lands a top 7 pick again. Hopefully top 3 this time.

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    Love it -just can't see them giving up Stauskas.  Other than that, I think very doable!!

     

     
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    Re: If Kings talk Rondo/Smith again here is the 3 team trade I'd be cool with

    I can't see how this trade helps the Celtics in any meaningful way. Unless you think Stauskas is a franchise player in the future.  I am positive he isn't.  The Net 2017 pick could be a lottery pick for the sure and likely is with the Nets looking horrible for the future so the draft pick part is a terrible idea. What we get is very little, to an already young guard laden team, none of whom we know definitively about their upside.   We need front court help, desperately. We will be at the very bottom next year on this "fun" team and if you have the patience and it is part of the rebuild go ahead.  I don't like it.

     
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    Re: If Kings talk Rondo/Smith again here is the 3 team trade I'd be cool with

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    I can't see how this trade helps the Celtics in any meaningful way. Unless you think Stauskas is a franchise player in the future.  I am positive he isn't.  The Net 2017 pick could be a lottery pick for the sure and likely is with the Nets looking horrible for the future so the draft pick part is a terrible idea. What we get is very little, to an already young guard laden team, none of whom we know definitively about their upside.   We need front court help, desperately. We will be at the very bottom next year on this "fun" team and if you have the patience and it is part of the rebuild go ahead.  I don't like it.

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    I said the Celtics could probably find a way to get more for Rondo. But Stauskas and 2-3 picks that likely will be in the teens, as Detroit and Sac got good enough to make the playoffs but not get top 5 seeds in them, is a good haul for Rondo to avoid the drama of his contract year and also dump the Wallace contract. 

    Stauskas is NOT a franchise player. But most think at worst he'll develop into a lesser Danny Ainge, 11-13 points, 4-5 assists, 2-3 boards and a steal in non-starter 6th-7th man, 3rd guard, playing some point, minutes of like 26-30 a game (which are the mins Avery should get as well). Stauskas could start alongside Smart, two 20-21 year old's, and provide the shooting touch while Smart does his driving to the rim and covering for Stauskas on D.

    At best they say Stauskas can be Jeff Hornacek, a slightly undersized starting SG giving 15-19 points on like 48/43/88 shooting %'s and playing scrappy hustle ball every appreciates.

     
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    Re: If Kings talk Rondo/Smith again here is the 3 team trade I'd be cool with

    The Kings may have drafted Stauskas so they can trade one of him or McLemore.

    Why be developing two 20-21 year old SG's with similar skill sets?

    If they trade for Rondo and Smith to go with Gay and Cousins than McLemore was likely to be asked for in the trade, leaving a huge hole at SG. Now they could fill that hole with Stauskas, or offer Stauskas in place of McLemore, where as drafting a big like Vonleh when Boston has several PF's might have made a trade harder. Who knows.

    McLemore has the hops and bigger upside than Stauskas, but less confidence, and would be the better choice to remain in Sacramento, have the support of management, not play behind Avery, etc. and see if Rondo and being on a team fighting for the playoffs could bring out the best in him. Stauskas is more of a specialist who would be perfect in a role eventually playing like 45% of the SG mins while Avery plays 55%.

     
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    Re: If Kings talk Rondo/Smith again here is the 3 team trade I'd be cool with

    Rameakap,


     


    I trust you have thought this through and you know more about the details than I do.  I just don't know if Jason Thompson supplies enough up front and wonder if the Nets pick may turn out to be of great value. Remember as soon as the Nets tank next year. If they do I mean, those Net picks will seem like gold and I do think the Nets future is very bleak.  It all comes down to Rondo being of the most value as we can get. Rondo if we can hold onto him over the next weeks may be even more valuable.  If only the Lakers or the Knicks had some real assets, they desperately need him.

     
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    Re: If Kings talk Rondo/Smith again here is the 3 team trade I'd be cool with

     

     

     

     

    I trust you have thought this through and you know more about the details than I do.  I just don't know if Jason Thompson supplies enough up front and wonder if the Nets pick may turn out to be of great value. Remember as soon as the Nets tank next year. If they do I mean, those Net picks will seem like gold and I do think the Nets future is very bleak.  It all comes down to Rondo being of the most value as we can get. Rondo if we can hold onto him over the next weeks may be even more valuable.  If only the Lakers or the Knicks had some real assets, they desperately need him.

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    I just wondered if a three way deal with the Lakers or Knicks could ever help get us some assets. The problem these two of my least favorite teams have nothing to offer.

     
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    Re: If Kings talk Rondo/Smith again here is the 3 team trade I'd be cool with

    Yeah, i don't think the Pistons would be jumping for joy over this trade.

     
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    Re: If Kings talk Rondo/Smith again here is the 3 team trade I'd be cool with

    Wow. Wake up people! The ignorance displayed in the 'Detroit is getting robbed' posts is astounding.

    Detroit is being described as 'desperate to dump Josh Smith' for basically anything that saves them money. His contract is described as one of the worst in the game and NOBODY would trade for him. The only reason the Kings might want to is so they can get Rondo to sign an extension if he plays with his buddy.

    Detroit gets rid of 42 million of Smith for 20 million of Wallace. A STEAL in their eyes.

    They certainly would rather see if Derrick Williams, a former #2 pick who is still only 23, can fulfill some of his promise for 6.5 million over paying Jerebko the benchwarmer 4.5 million.

    The rest of the moving pieces can simply stay put if the Pistons don't want to move them. Billups makes 2.5 million to Faverani's 2 million. I simply assumed they would prefer a much younger big man to a PG when they have Jennings, Will Bynum and now Dinwiddie and want to bring Stuckey back.

    Isaiah Thomas doesn't have to be signed and traded there. Just thought it would be fun with the name thing and how his game meshes well with taller guards like Stuckey/Dinwiddie. He is young and talented and at the right price any team would want him. The Pistons will move on from Bynum this year and unless he turns it around Jennings the next.

    The only thing they can gripe about would be the draft pick in 2017. They do have two picks in 2016 but fine, let them keep it, we'll take a 2nd rd pick instead.

    Otherwise this is a GREAT trade for Detroit.

     
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    Re: If Kings talk Rondo/Smith again here is the 3 team trade I'd be cool with

    In response to rameakap's comment:
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    Wow. Wake up people! The ignorance displayed in the 'Detroit is getting robbed' posts is astounding.

    Detroit is being described as 'desperate to dump Josh Smith' for basically anything that saves them money. His contract is described as one of the worst in the game and NOBODY would trade for him. The only reason the Kings might want to is so they can get Rondo to sign an extension if he plays with his buddy.

    Detroit gets rid of 42 million of Smith for 20 million of Wallace. A STEAL in their eyes.

    They certainly would rather see if Derrick Williams, a former #2 pick who is still only 23, can fulfill some of his promise for 6.5 million over paying Jerebko the benchwarmer 4.5 million.

    The rest of the moving pieces can simply stay put if the Pistons don't want to move them. Billups makes 2.5 million to Faverani's 2 million. I simply assumed they would prefer a much younger big man to a PG when they have Jennings, Will Bynum and now Dinwiddie and want to bring Stuckey back.

    Isaiah Thomas doesn't have to be signed and traded there. Just thought it would be fun with the name thing and how his game meshes well with taller guards like Stuckey/Dinwiddie. He is young and talented and at the right price any team would want him. The Pistons will move on from Bynum this year and unless he turns it around Jennings the next.

    The only thing they can gripe about would be the draft pick in 2017. They do have two picks in 2016 but fine, let them keep it, we'll take a 2nd rd pick instead.

    Otherwise this is a GREAT trade for Detroit.

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    You are throwing pearls before swine.

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    Re: If Kings talk Rondo/Smith again here is the 3 team trade I'd be cool with

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    Your trade proposal doesn't even work in the Trade Machine.

    WAKE UP!!!

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    Using Thomas as a sign and trade makes it work. He is a restricted free agent.

    Duh!

     

     
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    Re: If Kings talk Rondo/Smith again here is the 3 team trade I'd be cool with

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    You are throwing pearls before swine.



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    Haha! True. Fiercy is an ignorant fool.


    None of his trades happened either.


    Rondo to the Lakers using the TPE?


    Asik and Lin to Boston?


    When I say them they are never predictions, only well thought out and fair ideas (that Fiercy often steals from me weeks later).


    How about it being 'idiotic' to pick Aaron Gordon in the top 10 and Fiercy ranking Harris and McDermott 6th and 7th on his draft board? Hahahahaha!


    And Gordon Hayward for Anthony's expiring, pick 17 (Young and Harris both available) and the Clippers 2015 pick would have been a VERY fair package.


    Pennies from Fierce in response to quarters from me as always. I proved why Detroit would be interested in this. All I had to do to prove Fiercy's attack on this idea ignorant. Which he is.

     
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    Re: If Kings talk Rondo/Smith again here is the 3 team trade I'd be cool with

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    Sacramento - Rondo and Smith

     

    Boston - Stauskas, Jason Thompson, Billups and Jerebko's expiring contracts and the Kings 2015 1st rd pick (top 3 protection only on it), 2017 1st rd pick (unprotected and only given if Rondo signs an extension) and the Piston's 2016 1st rd pick (top 3 protection).

     

    Detroit - Derrick Williams, Gerald Wallace, Faverani, Reggie Evans and Isaiah Thomas (in a sign and trade at probably around 4/20)

     

    Anyone know if there is a grace period after the draft when rookies cannot be traded? I thought it used to be 30 days?

     

     

     

     

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    Good lord bro....get a grip. Foolishness n you know it.

     
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