Imagine how screwed Celtics may be IF LA gets Howard OR CP3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Imagine how screwed Celtics may be IF LA gets Howard OR CP3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Danny, Please obtain one and keep the other outta LA, my friend.
     
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    You begging or what :-)
     
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    Howard refined his offensive game a lot last season - if that continues he is in the top 4 players in the league.

     
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    Even if the Lakers get Dwight and CP3 it's not a guarantee that they would win a championship. Remember 2004, Shaq, Kobe, Malone, and Payton?
    Posted by Fiercest34


    That team had internal problems though. Would say that doesn't exist to that extent at this time.

    Howard would play well alongside Byrant. I'd move Heaven and Earth to sign him. That said he needs a guy like Bryant alongside him. On his own Howard will not bring a team a championship. He just doesn't have the x-factor that Magic, Russell, Jordan etc have.

    He's like David Robinson with less skills.
     
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    Howard doesn't necessarily need to improve his game so much. More he has to improve mentally and play with some controlled anger during games. Stop trying to be a 'nice guy' in the league. Play with aggression, play within the rules and discover some inner fire which really is lacking in his game.

    That's his major weakness. His attitude.
     
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    Hello Worthy.............welcome back........good observations (as always)......things are heating up....
     
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    In Response to Re: Imagine how screwed Celtics may be IF LA gets Howard OR CP3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! : How many Kendrick Perkins are out there?  Just because Perk neutralized Dwight in 2010 it doesn't mean Dwight didn't get better in 2011 or will get better in the years to come. Don't forget Dwight will only turn 26 this week.
    Posted by Fiercest34


    I've been hearing the same thing about Rondo for years. What a great player he will be when he develops a jump shot. Maybe it's time for some people to admit he is what he is. Same thing with Dwight Howard. At this point, he is what he is- a defensive center that can't create his own shot.  
     
    Yet for some reason people pick apart Rondo's game and annoint Dwight Howard the second coming of Shaq. It's insane. I realize there are a lot more talented PGs then there are centers. And maybe that's part of it. But building a team around Dwight Howard and pretending he's a franchise player is a recipie for disaster. Just ask Orlando. There is no way you can tell me that Shaq, Hakeem, Robinson or even Ewing wouldn't have won at least one title with some of the teams Dwight had in Orlando.

    The guy is a good player. But he is never going to be good enough to justify the hype. I would be a lot more worried about CP as a Laker than I would be DH.

    Either way, once Bryant retires it's all over for the Lakers. They already have two soft big men in Gasol and Odom. Who cares if they get a third? Let em screw up their salary cap overpaying for an overrated center that chokes in big moments. 
     
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    Howard doesn't necessarily need to improve his game so much. More he has to improve mentally and play with some controlled anger during games. Stop trying to be a 'nice guy' in the league. Play with aggression, play within the rules and discover some inner fire which really is lacking in his game. That's his major weakness. His attitude.
    Posted by RUWorthy


    Agree 100%. But it's just not gonna happen. That's something that either you have or you don't. And he doesn't. It's not a personality trait you can teach or learn.

    He tried to play tough a in a playoff series against the Celtics a few years ago and just played some of the dirtiest basketball I've seen since the Bad Boys. I guess the difference would be the Bad Boys weren't jacked up on steroids. It gets really dangerous when someone with his size and physique starts throwing players around. He ended up knocking teeth out of Celtics players- among other offences.

    But that's the problem. Somebody like Dwight doesn't understand the difference between toughness and being dirty. It's just not who he is.

    And I don't know if you heard him talk last week when he was talking about free agency. He didn't say one word about winning a title. All he talked about was how going to a place like LA would help his career off the court. Kind of says it all as far as where his priorities are.
      
     
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    In Response to Re: Imagine how screwed Celtics may be IF LA gets Howard OR CP3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! : True. But it's also true that he's the best Center in the NBA right now. Only proves that it's hard to find great Centers these days.
    Posted by Fiercest34


    I definitely agree with you about Howard.  Definitely the best center in the league right now.  
     
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    df2, Howard can't create his own shot and he is soft?  Shaq won several times but with Kobe and Wade.  Robinson won with Duncan and Ewing never won with decent NY cast.  Who has Howard played with really?  Are we talking about the same player here?
     
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    Calling Howard soft is just not true. Game 5 in 2010 Howard injured two players with concussions with his dirty play.  Forget his smile he is a mean player with dangerous elbows.

    His primitive offensive game is also very effective.  He can score and in Boston would easily with Rondo or Paul.  His free shooting has improved(far more than Rondo's)and will probably get better.  Aesthetically he has an ugly game offensively but let's be real the best big man in the league now.

    As for Perk the only reason he played him well was he got help. Howard got the better of him many times and had the big three to bail him out.  Look at the way Perkins played for Okla. City this year.
     
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    In Response to Re: Imagine how screwed Celtics may be IF LA gets Howard OR CP3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! : That team had internal problems though. Would say that doesn't exist to that extent at this time. Howard would play well alongside Byrant. I'd move Heaven and Earth to sign him. That said he needs a guy like Bryant alongside him. On his own Howard will not bring a team a championship. He just doesn't have the x-factor that Magic, Russell, Jordan etc have. He's like David Robinson with less skills.
    Posted by RUWorthy


    Agree totally.  Dwight is a good piece for a good team, but not the piece you count on to lead a team.

    Good post.
     
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    The Lakers would have to eviscerate their team to get either one.  No Gasol, Bynum or Odom.  Granted, either player  would be a good rebuilding chip for any team but how many years of superstar play deos Kobe have left?  
     
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    The Lakers would have to eviscerate their team to get either one.  No Gasol, Bynum or Odom.  Granted, either player  would be a good rebuilding chip for any team but how many years of superstar play deos Kobe have left?  
    Posted by CablesWyndBairn


    You actually think the Lakers would have to trade all 4 of these players to obtain 1 player?  LOL
     
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    Danny, Please obtain one and keep the other outta LA, my friend.
    Posted by DeweyCBoston

      I don't think it's a healthy mindset for a GM to operate out of desperation in this way.  The Celtics are not a desperate team.  the Yankees and Red Sox have both fallen into the trap that the other set, sometimes just by mere presence, to make the other over pay big names.  I think Danny has a good idea about the preferred location both of these divas want to live at next year.  He might be working their trade prices up by "competing with offers" in order to make LA give more for it.

     The NBA sky won't rise or fall over Howard and CP3.  i am not afraid of an LA with these two players.  #18 will be that much sweeter.  The Celtics have a team that will compete and Danny and Doc are going to keep working.  We have a team that goes out and plays the right way, showed those brats in Miami how to except loss with dignity and respect for the game last year, and are going to be a blessing to watch this year.  Honestly, I don't think CP3 and Howard will ever bleed green to the extent that they will have too in order to correctly carry the torch that our current group of veterans will be passing on.  Call me old fashioned if you will.  

        

     
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