Insider potential trades..

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    Insider potential trades..

    This is from espn insider, for those interested.

     

    Toronto Raptors

     

    Celtics receive: Kyle Lowry and Linas Kleiza

    Raptors receive: Jared Sullinger, Avery Bradley, Jeff Green and Boston's 2013 first-round pick

    Trade Machine: View the deal

    This is the non-blow-it-up move for Boston to stay relevant this season. Everyone wants to know: Are the Raptors going to choose to keep longtime point guard Jose Calderon or the younger, more volatile Kyle Lowry? Whispers around the league suggest that the Toronto front office is divided on the issue and the Celtics could swoop in and take advantage of that possible dissension.

    Lowry remains one of the most efficient point guards in the league (21.3 PER), but his uneven effort on the defensive end has reduced him to a 20-minute role off the bench for defensive-minded coach Dwane Casey. The Celtics could take on Linas Kleiza's contract that pays him $4.6 million this season and possibly next season, though the Celtics would probably hope he turns down his 2013-14 player option to go back overseas.

    In order to give up Lowry and his tidy contract, the Raptors would likely need to receive young assets in return. Such a deal would likely require involving Avery Bradley, Jared Sullinger and a future first-rounder. But that would also necessitate the Raptors absorbing Green's undesirable four-year deal to make the money work. Would Toronto decision-maker Bryan Colangelo do that? We didn't think he'd give five years and $53 million to a then-30-year-old Hedo Turkoglu, either.


     

     

    Los Angeles Lakers

     

    Celtics receive: Dwight Howard, Metta World Peace and Chris Duhon

    Lakers receive: Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett and Jason Collins

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    The blockbuster of all blockbuster deals. The Celtics would never send Pierce and Garnett to their once-hated rival, right? Stranger things have happened in this league. (Remember when Cleveland agreed to sign-and-trade LeBron James, or the time Phoenix gift-wrapped Steve Nash to the Lakers?) Obviously, the Celtics make this move to mold their next championship core around a healthy Rondo and Dwight Howard, but such a package is risky considering that Howard could walk at the end of this season.

    But that's a risk the Celtics can take with a player like Howard, especially because they could offer a five-year deal to Howard in free agency when all other competitors could offer only four, thanks to the new CBA. For a guy recovering from back surgery, five years of security could be worth more than the extra money itself.

    The Lakers would presumably only do this deal under three conditions: (1) The season goes back into the tank again; (2) Howard makes it clear that he's not signing long-term to be Kobe Bryant's sidekick; (3) Pau Gasol's trade stock continues to plummet. The Lakers would start five future Hall of Famers, but at the cost of kissing good-bye any hope of signing LeBron James in the summer of 2014 sweepstakes, if the reigning MVP is available.


     

     

    Memphis Grizzlies

     

    Celtics receive: Rudy Gay and Tony Wroten

    Grizzlies receive: Paul Pierce and Chris Wilcox

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    This trade makes sense from the perspective that the Celtics would exchange Pierce for a younger, higher-upside talent in Gay. Additionally, rookie Tony Wroten could take over the point guard duties as a poor man's Tyreke Evans (remember, the Celtics don't have a pure point guard right now) and serve as Rondo's backup long-term.

    On the Memphis side of things, the small-market club wouldn't have to look at Gay's swollen contract that pays him $17.8 million next season and $19 million after that if he enacts his player option in 2014-15. There's a chance that Pierce could sour upon arrival in Memphis, but those odds might be mitigated by the presence of former teammate and fellow "grit-and-grind" aficionado Tony Allen as well as the fact the Grizzlies have a better shot at a title than the Rondo-less Celtics.

    But there are serious obstacles here. For one, the Celtics may not be enthused with Gay's good-but-not-great production and unpredictable future at that price tag. And yes, waiving Pierce in the offseason could shed $31 million off Memphis' books compared to keeping Gay, but Memphis would still have to find a small forward in addition to bringing back Allen, who is a free agent this summer. But Pierce is a superior floor-spacer and much more dependable defender than Gay. Could that put the Grizzlies over the top in the West?


     

     

    Utah Jazz

     

    Celtics receive: Derrick Favors, Marvin Williams, Jamaal Tinsley and Raja Bell

    Jazz receive: Paul Pierce, Avery Bradley, Chris Wilcox and Boston's 2013 first-rounder

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    Utah possesses a boatload of bigs and the Celtics could use one. Believe it or not, Garnett won't be around forever and this deal would give the Celtics their next big man to solidify their long-term foundation next to Rondo. It would also give the Celtics a pass-first (pass-only?) point guard in Jamaal Tinsley, which is kind of a big deal considering the C's don't have a pure point guard on the roster without Rondo.

    Favors remains one of the most promising young bigs in the game, averaging 15-and-10 every 36 minutes along with high-impact defense. But he's struggling to find 20 minutes a night with three other productive players in the Jazz frontcourt. By sending Pierce to Utah, this would be a cold move by the Boston front office, but the Celtics should have an eye on the future given Rondo's injury and this could save them about $1.5 million if they want to eventually get under the tax.

    The only way the Jazz think about this deal is if they are big on Bradley's potential ahead of Gordon Hayward and they believe that Enes Kanter has a brighter future than Favors. Though Pierce would be reunited with former teammate Al Jefferson in this scenario, it may not offset the lifestyle change of moving from Boston to Salt Lake. But would a healthy Mo Williams, Randy Foye, Pierce, Paul Millsap and Jefferson make some noise in the West? Maybe, but it's hard to justify Utah going all-in this season without a backcourt player to build around; Bradley is probably not that guy.


     

     

    Minnesota Timberwolves

     

    Celtics receive: Kevin Love, Andrei Kirilenko, Brandon Roy, Luke Ridnour and Greg Stiemsma

    Timberwolves receive: Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, Jason Terry and Jared Sullinger

    Trade Machine: View the deal

    The only thing that might top a Lakers deal? If KG goes back to Minnesota to finish out his career right where it started. Again, Garnett holds a no-trade clause and could nix this deal on the spot. But the only place that might be more sentimental than Boston for Garnett's swan song is Minnesota, the team that selected him fifth overall in the 1995 draft.

    For Boston, you do this deal under the buy-low, sell-high rule in Business 101. It's hard to imagine a worse season for Kevin Love, who is shooting a paltry 21.7 percent from downtown this season and currently sitting on the sidelines with a re-fractured shooting hand. But he's one of the best handful of young players in the league (currently No. 8 on Insider's top 25 under 25 rankings and an unprecedented rebounder/sharpshooter talent). If healthy, a Rondo-Love connection is easily one of the most tantalizing tandems in the East. And Ridnour and Kirilenko give them help right away.

    Now, would Minnesota do the deal? Depends on how much it wants to win now. Since 2008, no team has won fewer games than the Timberwolves (121). Believe it or not, this would be the eighth straight losing season in Minnesota if it keeps up. It's not hard to imagine why GM David Kahn may be ready to exchange Love, who has had an icy relationship with the front office, for a package that could give them star power on both ends of the floor. It's a long shot, but mixed emotions aside, this monster deal makes some sense.


     

     

    Atlanta Hawks

     

    Celtics receive: Josh Smith, Lou Williams, Devin Harris, Zaza Pachulia, Ivan Johnson

    Hawks receive: Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, Jason Terry and Jared Sullinger

    Trade Machine: View the deal

    If Danny Ainge is looking at a blow-it-up scenario, it's easy to see why Atlanta GM Danny Ferry would be willing to talk. The Hawks are an obvious trade partner because of the ongoing disruptive behavior of their star-and-free-agent-to-be Josh Smith, but also because of their high-performing veterans on one-year deals, something the Celtics could covet. It's hard to find a highly productive player with more upside and more in need of a change of scenery than Smith.

    To be clear, Smith is no spring chicken at age 27 and that's not the best time to hand out a max deal. But look around and you'll find that there's just not another player of Smith's caliber on the market. Elsewhere, the 26-year-old Williams would be a perfect platoon mate in the backcourt next to Bradley for the long-term and the Harris-Pachulia combo could fill out the Celtics' playoff-ready rotation for the rest of the season. Worst-case scenario is that Smith doesn't pan out and the Celtics shed gobs of money when Smith, Pachulia, Harris and Johnson's deals expire at the end of the season, which would fully engage them into rebuild mode for the 2013-14 season.

    The upshot from Atlanta's perspective is it can flip its expiring contracts into a borderline contender in the East, but the Hawks would first need Garnett to waive his no-trade clause. Working in Atlanta's favor in such a scenario is that Garnett grew up two hours outside of Atlanta in Greenville, S.C. Not working in Atlanta's favor is that Garnett famously called out Atlanta co-owner Michael Gearon Jr. in the playoffs last season. Still, can't count out an Atlanta-Boston hookup, even though it seems Ferry's No. 1 priority is to maintain flexibility for a potential Dwight Howard chase.

     
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    Interesting read.  I can't say I really like any of the deals...Minnesota and Atlanta were the ones that bothered me the least.

    But none of them really knocked me out.

     
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    of those options, i like the ATL trade. imagine a post-christmas lineup of rondo/harris, bradley/lee, green/?, smith/bass and pachulia/melo. not a bad start. then you add a shooter like riddick?

     
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    I hate all those deals.

     
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    wow what horrible deals, i dont see why we need to go to such extreme measures

     
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    Love the Memphis deal.

     
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    i like sullinger a lot. but josh smith replaces him and then some.

     
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    The Toronto trade is the worst trade I've ever seen.

     
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    I think the only deal that would be beneficial to both teams would be the gay/pierce trade.  With Pierce at the 3, the Grizzlies could be big contenders in the playoffs this year, at least have potential to go all the way (?) and Boston get's young talent in Gay for the future.  I'm a big Derrick Favors fan and would go for that trade but I don't think with Pierce Jazz can contend like the Grizzlies can. Essentially Pierce would be a one year rental for any team so if they are not borderline champs it does not make sense to take him on.  A lot of these trades would give out aging stars to lottery teams which just doesn't make sense to those teams (although I would love a healthy Love!).  

     
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    rudy gay doesn't make much sense to me when we have green.

     
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    Love the Memphis idea... sets team up for short term and long term

     
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    Exactly. Good thing about Green is he can play the 2,3,and 4 as can Gay. Flexability.

     
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    no saying that gay is a bad player, just that gay and green are similar players and we'd still be in need of a 2guard and a center. but i'd be happy with either gay or smith.

     
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    The only way Pierce or Garnett leave is for a shot at another ring.  Half of those teams have no shot, the proposed trades are for chat purposes only.  Memphis, maybe. 

     
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    Who thinks one of these  trades has a chance of happening.  There is no chance.  In everyone we are better off now. The worst by far is the Toronto trade.

     
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    The Memphis trade is the only one that makes sense.

     
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    In response to StrongArmHnz's comment:

    The Memphis trade is the only one that makes sense.



    The Minnesota one is not bad either. The thing is each one makes us better by really not even approaching being a great team.  Let's build with Doc and Danny using what we have and do it under the leadership of a great leader like Garnett and even Pierce unless a trade for him is so good it can't be refused. Garnett stays.

     
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    In response to StrongArmHnz's comment:

    The Memphis trade is the only one that makes sense.



    The Minnesota one is not bad either. The thing is each one makes us better by really not even approaching being a great team.  Let's build with Doc and Danny using what we have and do it under the leadership of a great leader like Garnett and even Pierce unless a trade for him is so good it can't be refused. Garnett stays.

     
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    Why not try to trade Pierce and KG? This team isnt very good right now and they have value that could bring us some good assets to accelerate the rebuilding project so were not terrible for the next 10 years. The only reason you'd keep them at their age is if you thought you could win now. Do you think they can win now?

     
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    In response to Fierce34's comment:

    In response to celtic213's comment:

     

    Why not try to trade Pierce and KG? This team isnt very good right now and they have value that could bring us some good assets to accelerate the rebuilding project so were not terrible for the next 10 years. The only reason you'd keep them at their age is if you thought you could win now. Do you think they can win now?

     



    To be more specific is can the Celts beat NY or Miami in the 1st round, Chicago in the semis, and NY or Miami in the east finals? 

     

    Not to mention the Celts would have to beat the Spurs or OKC in the Finals.




    Exactly and thats an insane amount to ask out of Pierce and KG. So we either decide to trade Pierce and KG for assets that will help us in the future, or go through the gauntlet and see how far we can go and basically watch KG and Pierce retire  and lose them for nothing. Starting the rebuilding process from scratch.

     
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