Is Gordon Hayward Part of DA's Master Plan?

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    wow Utah has a HORRIBLE roster right now!!

     

    they do have a lot of expirng contracts, but it's hard to see exactly what they are trying to do there.

     

    they seem to have holes everywhere , but maybe most of all at PG.

    Maybe Ainge is looking at him next year as a RFA?

     

    but I am not sure how much (if any) salary we can offer him?

     




     

    I dont know about a "horrible" roster. They have a solid young core in Kanter, Favors, Haywood & Burke ... those expiring contracts were to help facilitate the Igoudala deal where they got picks in return. Expiring contract = good!

    But yes they could use a backcourt upgrade. I think even Rondo, Lee, Wallace, Favors, Kanter may be a solid front line.

    I just think it'd be cool to reunite Burke & Sullinger, especially if you can surround that with Bradley, Haywood, Green & Olynyk. That would be a fun, young team to watch. 

     



    I agree on Favors and hayward

     

     

    Knanter ahs proven nothing in the NBA yet anyway< isuppose this is his make or break year there.

     

    did Burk have a breakout year I am unaware of last year?

     

    and Burkes is ALL they have right now at PG and he SUCKED in Summer league I thought?

     

    I think the current Celtics roster is LIGHT years ahead of where Utah is right now, IMO anyway

     

     

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    I like Haywood but beg to differ on whether Favor is better than Kanter. Kanter's more polished offensively(54% to 48%; 80% to 68% from foul line). Rebounding is a wash and Favor's has never had a 20/20 game like Kanter. Kanter's per is also higher(17.6 to 17.5; Rondo's is 18.1).

    The only edge Favor's has is in shotblocking(granted twice as often). I believe w/ experience Kanter will only get better defensively(although never approaching Favor's ability) It is reportedly easier to learn defensive skills as opposed to offensive one's. Thus being the case, I would prefer Kanter over Favors. 

     
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    UH-OH! ARE WE STARTING TO SEE THE LIGHT COME ON FOR SOME MEMBERS OF THE RONDO BROTHERHOOD??? Again, it is not IF RR is traded, but only WHEN..........Hey R9R, I think "G20H" would be a little awkward, don't you? LMFAO@U!

     

     



    No dude. I dont think any player is sacred. Especially not after Danny trades away the GOAT in Paul Pierce.

     

     

    I am not a stubborn ignoramous like you. I would totally trade Rondo under the right circumstance for the right return. After all, he only has two years left and could walk.

    My opinion is such that Rondo is a franchise player, a top 5 PG, and a champion. I totally think the best course of action is to use the assets to build a contender around Rondo for 2014-15 and 2015-16 seasons.

    However, maybe this draft really is that deep. I think we could equally go for the full bottom-out which would be to sell Rondo, Green, Bass, Wallace and Lee for picks and young players and then grab free agents like Houston did. Lets say we were to get Burke, Haywood and dump Wallace for Rondo. Say we can get another 2014 pick for Jeff and a prospect, maybe in a deal with NOLA. We could have a roster stacked with rookie contract guys and our future would be in our hands. We can trade assets as they grow, let other teams put in offers during RFA, or keep the truely franchisable players. We would have enough cap room at first to sign a couple FAs to short term deals and let Stevens grow with the team over 3-4 years.

     

    Either way will work, and I'm game. Im just not going to give away our assets.

     

     

     


    You call me "a stubborn ignoramous" then follow that up with saying, "Im just not going to give away our assets."  First, my post and then your response clearly shows your ignorance. Lastly, you are dillusional to think you have ANY influence over DAs decisions. Is it because DA is a white man that you criticize his actions? Yet, you worship the man you named yourself and defend his every action. Ive never met you but based on what you write here, it is clear that you are black. Now how do I know that? That in itself is unfortunate as it shows your motivation. Oh my! R9R, are u a racist? Still LMFAO@U! PS, sorry! Im not white either. 

     

     
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    Hearing KO going to start the season, but foot is very painful!  Enjoy tards!

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    Hearing KO going to start the season, but foot is very painful!  Enjoy tards!

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    Sounds like you've got some love tko(for KO). Sorry, he's taken...

     

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    Sounds like as always you are fixated on men who are into men.

    Cute photo of a baby though. How long did it take you to find that?

     
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    so in the end, I think we've all agreed that IF ainge and company are after Hayward it won;t be until he is a RFA next season.

     

    with that in mind, will the Celtics have a cap space to make him an offer?

     

    even assuming we have Humphries (12M) Bogans (5M) and Crawford(2M) expiring contracts.....will there be enough $$ to make him an offer that Utah won't match?

     

    need some of the cap specialist on the board to pipe in here and give us ideas.

     

    will we end up needing a sign and trade with Utah to get it done?

     

     

     

     
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    Hearing KO going to start the season, but foot is very painful!  Enjoy tards!

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    Sounds like you've got some love tko(for KO). Sorry, he's taken...

     

     

     

     

     



    Sounds like as always you are fixated on men who are into men.

     

     

    Cute photo of a baby though. How long did it take you to find that?

     



    LOVE TKO- Ya gotta let it go!

     
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    UH-OH! ARE WE STARTING TO SEE THE LIGHT COME ON FOR SOME MEMBERS OF THE RONDO BROTHERHOOD??? Again, it is not IF RR is traded, but only WHEN..........Hey R9R, I think "G20H" would be a little awkward, don't you? LMFAO@U!

     

     



    No dude. I dont think any player is sacred. Especially not after Danny trades away the GOAT in Paul Pierce.

     

     

    I am not a stubborn ignoramous like you. I would totally trade Rondo under the right circumstance for the right return. After all, he only has two years left and could walk.

    My opinion is such that Rondo is a franchise player, a top 5 PG, and a champion. I totally think the best course of action is to use the assets to build a contender around Rondo for 2014-15 and 2015-16 seasons.

    However, maybe this draft really is that deep. I think we could equally go for the full bottom-out which would be to sell Rondo, Green, Bass, Wallace and Lee for picks and young players and then grab free agents like Houston did. Lets say we were to get Burke, Haywood and dump Wallace for Rondo. Say we can get another 2014 pick for Jeff and a prospect, maybe in a deal with NOLA. We could have a roster stacked with rookie contract guys and our future would be in our hands. We can trade assets as they grow, let other teams put in offers during RFA, or keep the truely franchisable players. We would have enough cap room at first to sign a couple FAs to short term deals and let Stevens grow with the team over 3-4 years.

     

    Either way will work, and I'm game. Im just not going to give away our assets.

     

     

     


    You call me "a stubborn ignoramous" then follow that up with saying, "Im just not going to give away our assets."  First, my post and then your response clearly shows your ignorance. Lastly, you are dillusional to think you have ANY influence over DAs decisions. Is it because DA is a white man that you criticize his actions? Yet, you worship the man you named yourself and defend his every action. Ive never met you but based on what you write here, it is clear that you are black. Now how do I know that? That in itself is unfortunate as it shows your motivation. Oh my! R9R, are u a racist? Still LMFAO@U! PS, sorry! Im not white either. 

     



    1. Saying that isn't being stubborn. I'm not going to have a firesale just for the sake of it. Yadumb.

    2. I am absolutely not black. You insinuating that I am based on my writing, is in-fact, racist.

    3. When did I criticize Ainge? When did I ever say I somehow influence the Celtic organization?

    4. Why am I wasting my time with someone who can't even formulate a coherent opinion with full sentences?

     

    5. Yadumb :)

     

     
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    UH-OH! ARE WE STARTING TO SEE THE LIGHT COME ON FOR SOME MEMBERS OF THE RONDO BROTHERHOOD??? Again, it is not IF RR is traded, but only WHEN..........Hey R9R, I think "G20H" would be a little awkward, don't you? LMFAO@U!

     

     



    No dude. I dont think any player is sacred. Especially not after Danny trades away the GOAT in Paul Pierce.

     

     

    I am not a stubborn ignoramous like you. I would totally trade Rondo under the right circumstance for the right return. After all, he only has two years left and could walk.

    My opinion is such that Rondo is a franchise player, a top 5 PG, and a champion. I totally think the best course of action is to use the assets to build a contender around Rondo for 2014-15 and 2015-16 seasons.

    However, maybe this draft really is that deep. I think we could equally go for the full bottom-out which would be to sell Rondo, Green, Bass, Wallace and Lee for picks and young players and then grab free agents like Houston did. Lets say we were to get Burke, Haywood and dump Wallace for Rondo. Say we can get another 2014 pick for Jeff and a prospect, maybe in a deal with NOLA. We could have a roster stacked with rookie contract guys and our future would be in our hands. We can trade assets as they grow, let other teams put in offers during RFA, or keep the truely franchisable players. We would have enough cap room at first to sign a couple FAs to short term deals and let Stevens grow with the team over 3-4 years.

     

    Either way will work, and I'm game. Im just not going to give away our assets.

     

     

     


    You call me "a stubborn ignoramous" then follow that up with saying, "Im just not going to give away our assets."  First, my post and then your response clearly shows your ignorance. Lastly, you are dillusional to think you have ANY influence over DAs decisions. Is it because DA is a white man that you criticize his actions? Yet, you worship the man you named yourself and defend his every action. Ive never met you but based on what you write here, it is clear that you are black. Now how do I know that? That in itself is unfortunate as it shows your motivation. Oh my! R9R, are u a racist? Still LMFAO@U! PS, sorry! Im not white either. 

     

     



    1. Saying that isn't being stubborn. I'm not going to have a firesale just for the sake of it. Yadumb.

     

    2. I am absolutely not black. You insinuating that I am based on my writing, is in-fact, racist.

    3. When did I criticize Ainge? When did I ever say I somehow influence the Celtic organization?

    4. Why am I wasting my time with someone who can't even formulate a coherent opinion with full sentences?

     

    5. Yadumb :)

     

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    You are in a fantasy world as you really believe that what you say here matters. You are an ignorant, lonely little twitt of a teenager who is absolutely in man love with pro athletes. I'm done with you, you little jock sniffer. I have you on ignore now as I just can't tolerate your amateurish analysis and sociopathic man love behavior. Have a good life...MRS. RONDO. Have no fear, once the trade your fantasy man, R9R, I will be back to hear your heart broken monologue. Adios!

     
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    UH-OH! ARE WE STARTING TO SEE THE LIGHT COME ON FOR SOME MEMBERS OF THE RONDO BROTHERHOOD??? Again, it is not IF RR is traded, but only WHEN..........Hey R9R, I think "G20H" would be a little awkward, don't you? LMFAO@U!

     

     



    No dude. I dont think any player is sacred. Especially not after Danny trades away the GOAT in Paul Pierce.

     

     

    I am not a stubborn ignoramous like you. I would totally trade Rondo under the right circumstance for the right return. After all, he only has two years left and could walk.

    My opinion is such that Rondo is a franchise player, a top 5 PG, and a champion. I totally think the best course of action is to use the assets to build a contender around Rondo for 2014-15 and 2015-16 seasons.

    However, maybe this draft really is that deep. I think we could equally go for the full bottom-out which would be to sell Rondo, Green, Bass, Wallace and Lee for picks and young players and then grab free agents like Houston did. Lets say we were to get Burke, Haywood and dump Wallace for Rondo. Say we can get another 2014 pick for Jeff and a prospect, maybe in a deal with NOLA. We could have a roster stacked with rookie contract guys and our future would be in our hands. We can trade assets as they grow, let other teams put in offers during RFA, or keep the truely franchisable players. We would have enough cap room at first to sign a couple FAs to short term deals and let Stevens grow with the team over 3-4 years.

     

    Either way will work, and I'm game. Im just not going to give away our assets.

     

     

     


    You call me "a stubborn ignoramous" then follow that up with saying, "Im just not going to give away our assets."  First, my post and then your response clearly shows your ignorance. Lastly, you are dillusional to think you have ANY influence over DAs decisions. Is it because DA is a white man that you criticize his actions? Yet, you worship the man you named yourself and defend his every action. Ive never met you but based on what you write here, it is clear that you are black. Now how do I know that? That in itself is unfortunate as it shows your motivation. Oh my! R9R, are u a racist? Still LMFAO@U! PS, sorry! Im not white either. 

     

     



    1. Saying that isn't being stubborn. I'm not going to have a firesale just for the sake of it. Yadumb.

     

    2. I am absolutely not black. You insinuating that I am based on my writing, is in-fact, racist.

    3. When did I criticize Ainge? When did I ever say I somehow influence the Celtic organization?

    4. Why am I wasting my time with someone who can't even formulate a coherent opinion with full sentences?

     

    5. Yadumb :)

     I am not a stubborn ignoramous like you. I would totally trade Rondo under the right circumstance for the right return. After all, he only has two years left and could walk.

    My opinion is such that Rondo is a franchise player, a top 5 PG, and a champion. I totally think the best course of action is to use the assets to build a contender around Rondo for 2014-15 and 2015-16 seasons.

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    Like, using "totally" so often, one might, like, think "he" is, like, a Valley girl of indeterminant race. Like, totally.  

     

     
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    UH-OH! ARE WE STARTING TO SEE THE LIGHT COME ON FOR SOME MEMBERS OF THE RONDO BROTHERHOOD??? Again, it is not IF RR is traded, but only WHEN..........Hey R9R, I think "G20H" would be a little awkward, don't you? LMFAO@U!

     

     



    No dude. I dont think any player is sacred. Especially not after Danny trades away the GOAT in Paul Pierce.

     

     

    I am not a stubborn ignoramous like you. I would totally trade Rondo under the right circumstance for the right return. After all, he only has two years left and could walk.

    My opinion is such that Rondo is a franchise player, a top 5 PG, and a champion. I totally think the best course of action is to use the assets to build a contender around Rondo for 2014-15 and 2015-16 seasons.

    However, maybe this draft really is that deep. I think we could equally go for the full bottom-out which would be to sell Rondo, Green, Bass, Wallace and Lee for picks and young players and then grab free agents like Houston did. Lets say we were to get Burke, Haywood and dump Wallace for Rondo. Say we can get another 2014 pick for Jeff and a prospect, maybe in a deal with NOLA. We could have a roster stacked with rookie contract guys and our future would be in our hands. We can trade assets as they grow, let other teams put in offers during RFA, or keep the truely franchisable players. We would have enough cap room at first to sign a couple FAs to short term deals and let Stevens grow with the team over 3-4 years.

     

    Either way will work, and I'm game. Im just not going to give away our assets.

     

     

     


    You call me "a stubborn ignoramous" then follow that up with saying, "Im just not going to give away our assets."  First, my post and then your response clearly shows your ignorance. Lastly, you are dillusional to think you have ANY influence over DAs decisions. Is it because DA is a white man that you criticize his actions? Yet, you worship the man you named yourself and defend his every action. Ive never met you but based on what you write here, it is clear that you are black. Now how do I know that? That in itself is unfortunate as it shows your motivation. Oh my! R9R, are u a racist? Still LMFAO@U! PS, sorry! Im not white either. 

     

     

     

     



    1. Saying that isn't being stubborn. I'm not going to have a firesale just for the sake of it. Yadumb.

     

     

     

    2. I am absolutely not black. You insinuating that I am based on my writing, is in-fact, racist.

    3. When did I criticize Ainge? When did I ever say I somehow influence the Celtic organization?

    4. Why am I wasting my time with someone who can't even formulate a coherent opinion with full sentences?

     

    5. Yadumb :)

     I am not a stubborn ignoramous like you. I would totally trade Rondo under the right circumstance for the right return. After all, he only has two years left and could walk.

    My opinion is such that Rondo is a franchise player, a top 5 PG, and a champion. I totally think the best course of action is to use the assets to build a contender around Rondo for 2014-15 and 2015-16 seasons.

     

     



    Like, using "totally" so often, one might, like, think "he" is, like, a Valley girl of indeterminant race. Like, totally.  

     

     

     

     


    Like, He totally gave himself and his age away. I mean, like, how totally ignorant can anyone, like be. I mean, like, you know.....totally. Ha!

     

     
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    Re: Is Gordon Hayward Part of DA's Master Plan?

    Logic Check on this nonsense:

    1.  Utah isn't going anywhere this year, so they would have NO logical reason to trade a key piece of their rebuilding program, especially by filling one void and creating another.  Hayward isn't going anywhere, just because he has ties to a coaching staff.

    2.  Danny is not building a team to win this year.  There is no reason why he would trade for a player about to enter FA and potentially lose that player after this year.  If Danny and staff are really interested in Hayward, then then will plan to free up cap space to sign him to a longer term contract after this year.    

    3. Trey Burke was the 2013 Natl Player of the year and the first PG taken in the draft.  There is a reason Utah selected him as a lottery pick.  He is a key part of their rebuilding plan and their PG of the future.  He has all the attributes to be an eleite PG in the NBA.  

    4.  You all place WAY TOO MUCH on Summer League play.  Remember in 2010, Luke Harangody had very similar productivity and acclaim as Oly.  Included on that first team were Terrance Williams, BJ Mullins and Damian James...

    5.  No team will be taking on Wallace and his contract unless Rondo or Green are included in the trade.  And getting rid of Wallace's contract is synonomous with getting a good player in return.  So factor that into your trade propositions.  

    6.  Just like the Celtics are not about to trade key pieces of their rebuild plan, neither is Utah.  Favors and Kantor are not going anywhere.  Think Detroit, not moving Monroe and Drummond. 

     

     

     
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    UH-OH! ARE WE STARTING TO SEE THE LIGHT COME ON FOR SOME MEMBERS OF THE RONDO BROTHERHOOD??? Again, it is not IF RR is traded, but only WHEN..........Hey R9R, I think "G20H" would be a little awkward, don't you? LMFAO@U!

     

     



    No dude. I dont think any player is sacred. Especially not after Danny trades away the GOAT in Paul Pierce.

     

     

    I am not a stubborn ignoramous like you. I would totally trade Rondo under the right circumstance for the right return. After all, he only has two years left and could walk.

    My opinion is such that Rondo is a franchise player, a top 5 PG, and a champion. I totally think the best course of action is to use the assets to build a contender around Rondo for 2014-15 and 2015-16 seasons.

    However, maybe this draft really is that deep. I think we could equally go for the full bottom-out which would be to sell Rondo, Green, Bass, Wallace and Lee for picks and young players and then grab free agents like Houston did. Lets say we were to get Burke, Haywood and dump Wallace for Rondo. Say we can get another 2014 pick for Jeff and a prospect, maybe in a deal with NOLA. We could have a roster stacked with rookie contract guys and our future would be in our hands. We can trade assets as they grow, let other teams put in offers during RFA, or keep the truely franchisable players. We would have enough cap room at first to sign a couple FAs to short term deals and let Stevens grow with the team over 3-4 years.

     

    Either way will work, and I'm game. Im just not going to give away our assets.

     

     

     


    You call me "a stubborn ignoramous" then follow that up with saying, "Im just not going to give away our assets."  First, my post and then your response clearly shows your ignorance. Lastly, you are dillusional to think you have ANY influence over DAs decisions. Is it because DA is a white man that you criticize his actions? Yet, you worship the man you named yourself and defend his every action. Ive never met you but based on what you write here, it is clear that you are black. Now how do I know that? That in itself is unfortunate as it shows your motivation. Oh my! R9R, are u a racist? Still LMFAO@U! PS, sorry! Im not white either. 

     

     

     



    1. Saying that isn't being stubborn. I'm not going to have a firesale just for the sake of it. Yadumb.

     

     

    2. I am absolutely not black. You insinuating that I am based on my writing, is in-fact, racist.

    3. When did I criticize Ainge? When did I ever say I somehow influence the Celtic organization?

    4. Why am I wasting my time with someone who can't even formulate a coherent opinion with full sentences?

     

    5. Yadumb :)

     I am not a stubborn ignoramous like you. I would totally trade Rondo under the right circumstance for the right return. After all, he only has two years left and could walk.

    My opinion is such that Rondo is a franchise player, a top 5 PG, and a champion. I totally think the best course of action is to use the assets to build a contender around Rondo for 2014-15 and 2015-16 seasons.

     

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    Like, using "totally" so often, one might, like, think "he" is, like, a Valley girl of indeterminant race. Like, totally.  

     

     

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    like, really? I totally like only used totally like only like twice and like didn't use like once, ya dig?

    using a word twice, dude, is not a pattern, not a trend. Do you read my posts, or are you illiterate to the point where you can only comprehend the small words, and just skip past any word or concept over a third grade level?

     

    you're really backing this idiot?

     

     
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    Re: Is Gordon Hayward Part of DA's Master Plan?

    Hayward would be a good fit with the Celts.  He would give them another three point shooter after JG, which they need.  He also finishes well at the rim, and just finishes well period, putting the ball in the hoop, scoring.  He would cmpliment Rondo really well.  Runs the floor well in transition, and handles the ball very good for a guy who's 6'8".  Also passes it pretty well in traffic.  

     Hayward, Rondo, Green, KO, Sullinger

     Rondo, AB, Hayward, Green, KO/Sullinger

    Rondo, AB, Green, KO, Sullinger

     
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    Re: Is Gordon Hayward Part of DA's Master Plan?

    If Hayward wants to play for the Cs, and DA and Stevens want him, it will happen at some point. 

     
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    Re: Is Gordon Hayward Part of DA's Master Plan?

    Bleacher report trade idea:

    Trade 1: Avery Bradley, Jared Sullinger and Courtney Lee for Gordon Hayward and Marvin Williams' expiring contract 

    1167158_original Could Brad Stevens lure Gordon Hayward to Boston? (Michael Conroy/AP)  

    In this scenario, the Celtics would have to utilize about $1.8 million of the$10.27 million trade exception they acquired during the Nets trade.  But there's been some speculation about Hayward since the Celtics' hire of Brad Stevens, who also added ex-Butler guard and Hayward teammate Ronald Nored to his coaching staff.

    As much as C's fans love Bradley's stifling on-ball defense and Sullinger's post offense, Hayward is undoubtedly the best player in this deal.  Consequently, it would probably cost Boston both players to nab the Hayward, who the Jazz likely consider a long-term building block.

    However, there is little doubt that Hayward would fit beautifully in the Boston offense.  Some may think of Hayward as purely a shooter, which his 50.1 percent eFG percentage certainly belies.  But what separates Hayward from typical spot-up shooters is his sneaky athleticism, especially when driving to the hoop.  When watching some of his highlights from last season, the upside of his offensive arsenal becomes tantalizing

    Last season, Hayward's 16.81 PER was eighth among shooting guards, according to John Hollinger's metrics.  However, every single player ahead of Hayward was over the age of 30 except James Harden and J.R. Smith, reflecting the impending league-wide scarcity at the position.  As such, Hayward holds a little extra value for positional scarcity, almost like a baseball shortstop who can hit for power.

    Any Hayward trade will not happen this offseason, as the Jazz are reportedly discussing contract extensions for he and Derrick Favors, per Jody Genessy of the Deseret News.  However, if neither are signed, both would enter restricted free agency.  If that happens, it opens the door for a possible sign-and-trade, like what occurred with Brandon Jennings and the Pistons

    Either way, nine restricted free agents have already left this summer, so while there exists a perception that they are difficult to pry away, it is certainly not impossible.  Some Celtics fans might balk at the notion of giving up their two best young players, but Hayward is the type of budding star who would be worth such a price tag.

     

     

     
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    Re: Is Gordon Hayward Part of DA's Master Plan?

    In response to BCSP's comment:

    Bleacher report trade idea:

    Trade 1: Avery Bradley, Jared Sullinger and Courtney Lee for Gordon Hayward and Marvin Williams' expiring contract 

    1167158_original Could Brad Stevens lure Gordon Hayward to Boston? (Michael Conroy/AP)  

    In this scenario, the Celtics would have to utilize about $1.8 million of the$10.27 million trade exception they acquired during the Nets trade.  But there's been some speculation about Hayward since the Celtics' hire of Brad Stevens, who also added ex-Butler guard and Hayward teammate Ronald Nored to his coaching staff.

    As much as C's fans love Bradley's stifling on-ball defense and Sullinger's post offense, Hayward is undoubtedly the best player in this deal.  Consequently, it would probably cost Boston both players to nab the Hayward, who the Jazz likely consider a long-term building block.

    However, there is little doubt that Hayward would fit beautifully in the Boston offense.  Some may think of Hayward as purely a shooter, which his 50.1 percent eFG percentage certainly belies.  But what separates Hayward from typical spot-up shooters is his sneaky athleticism, especially when driving to the hoop.  When watching some of his highlights from last season, the upside of his offensive arsenal becomes tantalizing

    Last season, Hayward's 16.81 PER was eighth among shooting guards, according to John Hollinger's metrics.  However, every single player ahead of Hayward was over the age of 30 except James Harden and J.R. Smith, reflecting the impending league-wide scarcity at the position.  As such, Hayward holds a little extra value for positional scarcity, almost like a baseball shortstop who can hit for power.

    Any Hayward trade will not happen this offseason, as the Jazz are reportedly discussing contract extensions for he and Derrick Favors, per Jody Genessy of the Deseret News.  However, if neither are signed, both would enter restricted free agency.  If that happens, it opens the door for a possible sign-and-trade, like what occurred with Brandon Jennings and the Pistons

    Either way, nine restricted free agents have already left this summer, so while there exists a perception that they are difficult to pry away, it is certainly not impossible.  Some Celtics fans might balk at the notion of giving up their two best young players, but Hayward is the type of budding star who would be worth such a price tag.

     

     



    Is he that good?

    First time i saw the trade i didn't like it. But if we assume that Bradley can't be a starter (not tall enough), Olynyk proves he's very good (so there's no room for two good PF + Sully has back issues + he's arguebly not tall enough too) and Hayward's a budding star (someone like Paul George) then i'll do it!

     
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    Re: Is Gordon Hayward Part of DA's Master Plan?

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    Wow, how about this for a trade idea (for those who would move on from Rondo)

    BOS: Trey Burke, Gordon Haywood, Biedrins, Jefferson

    UTA: Rondo, Lee, Bass, Wallace

     

    I think it'd be interesting to bring Sully and Burke who grew up playing ball together. It would be great to see them with Gordon and Green either playing small with Bradley at the 2, or big with Olynyk. We would be loaded with "young talent" so fun to watch but a few pieces away for the year.Utah would get to pair Rondo with Favors and Kanter and get three solid role players who can start games, albeit with salary attached. Expiring contracts make it work.

     

    I'd also consider packaging Green and Rondo in a similar deal if a first round pick is included. I'd prefer to keep Green

     

     

     



    Trey Burke may end up a bust. Not sold yet on him. He got dnp's in the summer league?! How do you do that?  He is nowhere close to being able to run a team, let alone fill Rondos shoes. No thanks, but I like Hayward tho. He is young and still getting better. Why do the Jazz want to trade him again?

     
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    Re: Is Gordon Hayward Part of DA's Master Plan?

    In response to Fields4's comment:

    In response to BCSP's comment:

    [QUOTE]

     

    Bleacher report trade idea:

    Trade 1: Avery Bradley, Jared Sullinger and Courtney Lee for Gordon Hayward and Marvin Williams' expiring contract 

    1167158_original Could Brad Stevens lure Gordon Hayward to Boston? (Michael Conroy/AP)  

    In this scenario, the Celtics would have to utilize about $1.8 million of the$10.27 million trade exception they acquired during the Nets trade.  But there's been some speculation about Hayward since the Celtics' hire of Brad Stevens, who also added ex-Butler guard and Hayward teammate Ronald Nored to his coaching staff.

    As much as C's fans love Bradley's stifling on-ball defense and Sullinger's post offense, Hayward is undoubtedly the best player in this deal.  Consequently, it would probably cost Boston both players to nab the Hayward, who the Jazz likely consider a long-term building block.

    However, there is little doubt that Hayward would fit beautifully in the Boston offense.  Some may think of Hayward as purely a shooter, which his 50.1 percent eFG percentage certainly belies.  But what separates Hayward from typical spot-up shooters is his sneaky athleticism, especially when driving to the hoop.  When watching some of his highlights from last season, the upside of his offensive arsenal becomes tantalizing

    Last season, Hayward's 16.81 PER was eighth among shooting guards, according to John Hollinger's metrics.  However, every single player ahead of Hayward was over the age of 30 except James Harden and J.R. Smith, reflecting the impending league-wide scarcity at the position.  As such, Hayward holds a little extra value for positional scarcity, almost like a baseball shortstop who can hit for power.

    Any Hayward trade will not happen this offseason, as the Jazz are reportedly discussing contract extensions for he and Derrick Favors, per Jody Genessy of the Deseret News.  However, if neither are signed, both would enter restricted free agency.  If that happens, it opens the door for a possible sign-and-trade, like what occurred with Brandon Jennings and the Pistons

    Either way, nine restricted free agents have already left this summer, so while there exists a perception that they are difficult to pry away, it is certainly not impossible.  Some Celtics fans might balk at the notion of giving up their two best young players, but Hayward is the type of budding star who would be worth such a price tag.

     

     

     



     

    Is he that good?

    First time i saw the trade i didn't like it. But if we assume that Bradley can't be a starter (not tall enough), Olynyk proves he's very good (so there's no room for two good PF + Sully has back issues + he's arguebly not tall enough too) and Hayward's a budding star (someone like Paul George) then i'll do it!

    [/QUOTE]

    Its a steep price, but I'd probably do it. If I were Danny, I'd try to swing Brooks & Sully & a contract for Haywood. Also the very first thing I'd ask is if they want to fill  their hole at SF with a proven vet and what it'd take for them to take on Wallace.

    But the post is right about Haywood fitting well on this team. I just really like Sully and Bradley. I'd want either a Sully & Brooks or Bradley & Olynyk. It'd be tough giving them both up.

     

     

     
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    Re: Is Gordon Hayward Part of DA's Master Plan?

    The kid can shoot and if he's athletic enough to play either SG or SF, he would be extremely valuable for our team. He's 6'8 ... that alone would make him special as a SG. I think he also has the ability to be in that 50-40-90 club. He's almost there. Just shy on his FG% and shy on his FT%

    This past year: .435 - .414 - .827

     

    Ok maybe not THAT close, but I think playing with Rondo he could definitely increase his FG%. Jeff Green is a surprisingly good shooter as well and they could be a good 2-3 combo that could really challenge teams to match up. Throw in KO at the 4 and I think we've solved our scoring issue... now only if we could find a BIG.

     
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    Re: Is Gordon Hayward Part of DA's Master Plan?

    In response to R9R's comment:

    In response to Fields4's comment:

    [QUOTE]

     

    In response to BCSP's comment:

     

    [QUOTE]

     

     

    Bleacher report trade idea:

    Trade 1: Avery Bradley, Jared Sullinger and Courtney Lee for Gordon Hayward and Marvin Williams' expiring contract 

    1167158_original Could Brad Stevens lure Gordon Hayward to Boston? (Michael Conroy/AP)  

    In this scenario, the Celtics would have to utilize about $1.8 million of the$10.27 million trade exception they acquired during the Nets trade.  But there's been some speculation about Hayward since the Celtics' hire of Brad Stevens, who also added ex-Butler guard and Hayward teammate Ronald Nored to his coaching staff.

    As much as C's fans love Bradley's stifling on-ball defense and Sullinger's post offense, Hayward is undoubtedly the best player in this deal.  Consequently, it would probably cost Boston both players to nab the Hayward, who the Jazz likely consider a long-term building block.

    However, there is little doubt that Hayward would fit beautifully in the Boston offense.  Some may think of Hayward as purely a shooter, which his 50.1 percent eFG percentage certainly belies.  But what separates Hayward from typical spot-up shooters is his sneaky athleticism, especially when driving to the hoop.  When watching some of his highlights from last season, the upside of his offensive arsenal becomes tantalizing

    Last season, Hayward's 16.81 PER was eighth among shooting guards, according to John Hollinger's metrics.  However, every single player ahead of Hayward was over the age of 30 except James Harden and J.R. Smith, reflecting the impending league-wide scarcity at the position.  As such, Hayward holds a little extra value for positional scarcity, almost like a baseball shortstop who can hit for power.

    Any Hayward trade will not happen this offseason, as the Jazz are reportedly discussing contract extensions for he and Derrick Favors, per Jody Genessy of the Deseret News.  However, if neither are signed, both would enter restricted free agency.  If that happens, it opens the door for a possible sign-and-trade, like what occurred with Brandon Jennings and the Pistons

    Either way, nine restricted free agents have already left this summer, so while there exists a perception that they are difficult to pry away, it is certainly not impossible.  Some Celtics fans might balk at the notion of giving up their two best young players, but Hayward is the type of budding star who would be worth such a price tag.

     

     

     

     



     

     

    Is he that good?

    First time i saw the trade i didn't like it. But if we assume that Bradley can't be a starter (not tall enough), Olynyk proves he's very good (so there's no room for two good PF + Sully has back issues + he's arguebly not tall enough too) and Hayward's a budding star (someone like Paul George) then i'll do it!

     

    [/QUOTE]

    Its a steep price, but I'd probably do it. If I were Danny, I'd try to swing Brooks & Sully & a contract for Haywood. Also the very first thing I'd ask is if they want to fill  their hole at SF with a proven vet and what it'd take for them to take on Wallace.

     

    But the post is right about Haywood fitting well on this team. I just really like Sully and Bradley. I'd want either a Sully & Brooks or Bradley & Olynyk. It'd be tough giving them both up.

     

     

    [/QUOTE]

    No need to give either up.  You don't trade away a young promising rebuilding block (with a good contract) for another expensive rebuilding block.  Unless by the end of the season, we have a major disappintment or it's apparent that said piece doesn't fit in Stevens' future plans.  

     
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    Re: Is Gordon Hayward Part of DA's Master Plan?

    In response to Eldunker's comment:

    In response to R9R's comment:

    [QUOTE]

     

    In response to Fields4's comment:

     

    [QUOTE]

     

     

    In response to BCSP's comment:

     

     

    [QUOTE]

     

     

     

    Bleacher report trade idea:

    Trade 1: Avery Bradley, Jared Sullinger and Courtney Lee for Gordon Hayward and Marvin Williams' expiring contract 

    1167158_original Could Brad Stevens lure Gordon Hayward to Boston? (Michael Conroy/AP)  

    In this scenario, the Celtics would have to utilize about $1.8 million of the$10.27 million trade exception they acquired during the Nets trade.  But there's been some speculation about Hayward since the Celtics' hire of Brad Stevens, who also added ex-Butler guard and Hayward teammate Ronald Nored to his coaching staff.

    As much as C's fans love Bradley's stifling on-ball defense and Sullinger's post offense, Hayward is undoubtedly the best player in this deal.  Consequently, it would probably cost Boston both players to nab the Hayward, who the Jazz likely consider a long-term building block.

    However, there is little doubt that Hayward would fit beautifully in the Boston offense.  Some may think of Hayward as purely a shooter, which his 50.1 percent eFG percentage certainly belies.  But what separates Hayward from typical spot-up shooters is his sneaky athleticism, especially when driving to the hoop.  When watching some of his highlights from last season, the upside of his offensive arsenal becomes tantalizing

    Last season, Hayward's 16.81 PER was eighth among shooting guards, according to John Hollinger's metrics.  However, every single player ahead of Hayward was over the age of 30 except James Harden and J.R. Smith, reflecting the impending league-wide scarcity at the position.  As such, Hayward holds a little extra value for positional scarcity, almost like a baseball shortstop who can hit for power.

    Any Hayward trade will not happen this offseason, as the Jazz are reportedly discussing contract extensions for he and Derrick Favors, per Jody Genessy of the Deseret News.  However, if neither are signed, both would enter restricted free agency.  If that happens, it opens the door for a possible sign-and-trade, like what occurred with Brandon Jennings and the Pistons

    Either way, nine restricted free agents have already left this summer, so while there exists a perception that they are difficult to pry away, it is certainly not impossible.  Some Celtics fans might balk at the notion of giving up their two best young players, but Hayward is the type of budding star who would be worth such a price tag.

     

     

     

     

     



     

     

     

    Is he that good?

    First time i saw the trade i didn't like it. But if we assume that Bradley can't be a starter (not tall enough), Olynyk proves he's very good (so there's no room for two good PF + Sully has back issues + he's arguebly not tall enough too) and Hayward's a budding star (someone like Paul George) then i'll do it!

     

     

    [/QUOTE]

    Its a steep price, but I'd probably do it. If I were Danny, I'd try to swing Brooks & Sully & a contract for Haywood. Also the very first thing I'd ask is if they want to fill  their hole at SF with a proven vet and what it'd take for them to take on Wallace.

     

     

    But the post is right about Haywood fitting well on this team. I just really like Sully and Bradley. I'd want either a Sully & Brooks or Bradley & Olynyk. It'd be tough giving them both up.

     

     

     

    [/QUOTE]

    No need to give either up.  You don't trade away a young promising rebuilding block (with a good contract) for another expensive rebuilding block.  Unless by the end of the season, we have a major disappintment or it's apparent that said piece doesn't fit in Stevens' future plans.  

     

    [/QUOTE]


    +1

    I think DA has to wait until at least the AS break (and he will).

     
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    Re: Is Gordon Hayward Part of DA's Master Plan?

    I agree. This isn't something that would happen before the trade deadline...

     

    I just agree with it being a possibility for the team. Hayward might be a good fit. Maybe he is part of a bigger trade that goes down after this season before the draft. Perhaps Green becomes an allstar and Utah offers a Haywood + first round pick for Green. I think anything will be possible. Its always tough to trade away a known allstar for an unknown pick or rookie. But I know Danny's eye is on the prize which would be a franchise player in this draft. Think about it, all the great recent teams have been built around that franchise player drafted by the organization: Paul, Kobe, Wade, Dirk, Duncan ... Danny wants a player like that in 2014 someone to give us a chance at building a dynasty

     
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