Is it likely............no trades by deadline???

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    Is it likely............no trades by deadline???

    I'm hearing more and more reports about the Celtics overvaluing their players as they discuss possible trade scenarios.  If that's what other GMs believe, can we get a deal done?  Or are the other GMs simply posturing?

    If it's true that Green is now unavailable, the only possible trade pieces are Bass, AB and Humphries.  And I'm not so sure AB is available.

    Both Bass and Humphries are capable, solid veteran backup PFs who can help a contender's bench.  But does that translate to getting something back that can help this team long-term?

    We won't get any 1st round picks for either Bass or Hump NOR will we receive much value back so what are the chances we don't make a move by the trade deadline?

    You make trades to dump salary, acquire an expiring contract, acquire draft picks or acquire a young, talented player (preferably cheaper) who will fit long-term.

    Other than GS utilizing its trade exception, which would be great, are there any real deals that will improve the Celtics long-term in any of the above areas? 

     
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    I don't think the Celtics will get much back for either Bass or Hump. I think one of them will be moved though for two reasons. One it makes the team worse short term and two it gives Olynyk more minutes.

     

     
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    In response to 37stories' comment:

    I don't think the Celtics will get much back for either Bass or Hump. I think one of them will be moved though for two reasons. One it makes the team worse short term and two it gives Olynyk more minutes.

     



    KO, Sullinger, and Fav need all of the minutes at the 4&5 for the rest of the year.  There is no point in playing Bass and Hump unless we are going to keep them.

     
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    It depends on timing, and what the other team wants.  The lakers used to give up draft picks for guys like Ramon Sessions - a short term fix.

    If a team like CHA really wants to make the playoffs, and they need bench help, it is possible they could give one of their two picks for a guy like Hump or Bass.

    Same with PHO.

    Injuries opens up a whole new paradigm.  If a Bogut or a ZBo gets hurt, that could necessitate a trade.

    I do agree that non-playoff teams will not give up a draft pick.

    Interesting thought - would HOU consider giving up their #1 pick for Green, if we take Asik, who they have been trying to move all year?

    Think about it - Lin/Beverley    Harden/Brewer     Green/Parsons     Jones/Scola  and DH is a very, very good and deep team that MAY be able to challenge OKC and SAS for the next two years.

    I would like to think since HOU is getting the better player, that they would give up a #24 pick to get him.

    Imagine getting Hood, Harris and Walker or Parker, Selden and Walker or WCS, Exum and Staukus- nice haul!

     
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    In response to Fiercy's comment:

    I would be happy if the Rockets take Hump for Asik, straight up.

    No draft picks involved.




    Me, too.  But I think Green helps the Rockets more....

     
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    "'I'm hearing more and more reports about the Celtics overvaluing their players as they discuss possible trade scenarios."

    Petey I think that's true. I also don't think that many teams are trying to get better. If they are, they are looking for a specialist like a shot blocker or more likely a sharp shooter (like OKC wants). 

    There are plenty of teams that would trade their junk for ours, but I don't think Danny wants other longer term contracts so it really limits his options. 

    I would expect one trade at most. In general it looks to me like a quiet trade deadline but I've been wrong before on that.

     
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    "Trade Hump and Bass for expiring contracts or picks and we're done."

    Agreed. But even those deals are not going to be easy to pull off. These are not the most attractive players to every ball. :) I think Hump has more of a shot as he could do some dirty work for a contender. 

     
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    Trade Bass and Bradley.

    They have the two worst plus and minus on/off numbers on the team.

     
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    "They have the two worst plus and minus on/off numbers on the team."

    yah - which is why they will be hard to trade. But - Hump is an expiring contract and a big body to throw in for fouls and rebounds, so I could see a contending team taking him on.

     
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    Hump will be gone if a team offers another expiring contract and a 1st.

    If he is here it is b/c nobody did and there are better chances of getting value via a sign and trade this summer.

    If he is gone and we have 6+ million in 2015 salary here in his place and no 2014 1st rd pick i will be VERY interested in grading Danny out on that one. If it is Asik I can see the merits of it. Id it is a worthless overpaid vet and a 2nd rd pick... no thanks.

     
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    Bass is the guy I most likely see traded out of here.

    If it is not a 2014 pick but like a Maurice Speights and Festus Ezeli offer I would still be ok with it. C's save over 2 million next year and Ezeli is a young Center when we have only one true 5 o the roster and Bass being a veteran PF when we have two young guys we all want to see playing all 48 minutes there.

     
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    Are we willing to make a trade that benefits another team and not the Celtics?  I am really beginning to wonder if any team will give us something we need or can use that will help in our rebuild.

    We, Celtics fans, are the only people who believe Bass and Bogans and Humphries are going to yield us quality players or picks.  It's just not going to happen.

    And I, for one, am against DA trading these guys if it doesn't benefit us.  As much sense as it makes to move these guys, it's senseless to do it without getting some value in return.

    There seems to be very little talk of pending trades.  Very few rumors this close to the deadline.  Why?

     
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    I'm hearing a rumor of Bayless to Detroit for Wil Bynum.

    If this is the trade deadline deal by DA, I'd consider the Celtics as having done nothing.

    I'm really beginning to believe we will not make a deal by Thursday at 3 pm EST.

    It doesn't seem like DA really wants to.

    I'm not disappointed if that is the case.

     
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    Fierce, I hear you but, again, if that one trade is Bayless for Wil Bynum, then I'm not considering that any real kind of deal.

    I mean, doesn't seem like anybody wants Hump or Bass for what the Celtics are asking.  Besides, other teams are driving that deal happening.  Not the Celtics.

    Also, it's being reported that DA is receiving calls about Rondo, Sully, Oly and Green.  Maybe that's just too many "irons in the fire" to focus on one good, meaningful deal.

    What deal do you think DA will eventually make because there is nothing seemingly imminent as of now?

     
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    Re: Is it likely............no trades by deadline???

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    In response to Petey62's comment:

    Fierce, I hear you but, again, if that one trade is Bayless for Wil Bynum, then I'm not considering that any real kind of deal.

    I mean, doesn't seem like anybody wants Hump or Bass for what the Celtics are asking.  Besides, other teams are driving that deal happening.  Not the Celtics.

    Also, it's being reported that DA is receiving calls about Rondo, Sully, Oly and Green.  Maybe that's just too many "irons in the fire" to focus on one good, meaningful deal.

    What deal do you think DA will eventually make because there is nothing seemingly imminent as of now?

     



    Bass and Hump will be gone.

    Both players are really playing well and playoff teams would really benefit from having Bass or Hump.

    The Suns or Bobcats would be ideal for Hump.

    OKC would be ideal for Bass.

    Worst case scenario is out of the two, Bass and Hump, only one gets traded.



    Fierce, I hope you're right.  But this is our (Celtics fans) point of view.  We tend, like Ainge, to overvalue our players and include them in deals that are mainly beneficial to the CELTICS.  I hope we do find good deals for BOTH Hump and Bass but, honestly, for what in return.

    YOU believe the Suns or Bobcats would be ideal for Hump and YOU believe OKC would be ideal for Bass.

    That doesn't mean Hump or Bass will be moved.  My guess is as good as yours, right.  If Bass and Hump play tomorrow, my guess is they are not getting traded.

     

     
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    Give me a gm who undervalues his talent? Ill show you a gm who is not gonna have a job too long. Basic principle of negotiation is to start high, so when da is getting his feel of the market early on in trades talks he starts high and then closer to the deadline he will prob get more reasonable. Nothing wrong with that, as far as value goes, I dont think its unreasonable to expect a late 1st for hump who was a double double machine and earned a 2/24 mill deal becuz of it, he is a very solid player. Or even bbass who was a long time starter on a strong celtics team for a few years. I think it would be hard to get a 1st rounder in this super overhyped 2014 draft, but surely a future 1st would be fair.

     
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