Is Jeff Green Improving?

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    Is Jeff Green Improving?

    In last night's Celts vs Houston game thread, there was a debate about whether the C's (and Jeff Green in particular) are improving.  We all seem to agree we are disappointed in the inconsistency.  But, do we see progress?    I say yes.  Here's Green's numbers for the Season so far:

    Oct      1 game      23 mins     4 shots      0% shooting    3 rebounds      3 PPG

    Nov     15 games   21 mins   7.6 shots   42% shooting    2.5 reb           8.7 PPG

    Dec      6 games    25 mins   11.8 shots  48% shooting   5.0 reb           14.2 PPG

    Also, 3 point shooting improved from 30% 50% from Nov to Dec.

    While its not the consistency we want, he's definitely improved and I'm in the camp that says he needs to be on the floor more and we will likely get 16 to 18 points a game and 6 to 7 rebounds a game.   

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    Green plays best when Rondo is not on the floor.  

     
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    In last night's Celts vs Houston game thread, there was a debate about whether the C's (and Jeff Green in particular) are improving.  We all seem to agree we are disappointed in the inconsistency.  But, do we see progress?    I say yes.  Here's Green's numbers for the Season so far:

    Oct      1 game      23 mins     4 shots      0% shooting    3 rebounds      3 PPG

    Nov     15 games   21 mins   7.6 shots   42% shooting    2.5 reb           8.7 PPG

    Dec      6 games    25 mins   11.8 shots  48% shooting   5.0 reb           14.2 PPG

    Also, 3 point shooting improved from 30% 50% from Nov to Dec.

    While its not the consistency we want, he's definitely improved and I'm in the camp that says he needs to be on the floor more and we will likely get 16 to 18 points a game and 6 to 7 rebounds a game.   

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    Excellent post, thanks for the stats! He is definately improving, but clearly needs to start, and get starter minutes, to fully come into his own!

     
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    In last night's Celts vs Houston game thread, there was a debate about whether the C's (and Jeff Green in particular) are improving.  We all seem to agree we are disappointed in the inconsistency.  But, do we see progress?    I say yes.  Here's Green's numbers for the Season so far:

    Oct      1 game      23 mins     4 shots      0% shooting    3 rebounds      3 PPG

    Nov     15 games   21 mins   7.6 shots   42% shooting    2.5 reb           8.7 PPG

    Dec      6 games    25 mins   11.8 shots  48% shooting   5.0 reb           14.2 PPG

    Also, 3 point shooting improved from 30% 50% from Nov to Dec.

    While its not the consistency we want, he's definitely improved and I'm in the camp that says he needs to be on the floor more and we will likely get 16 to 18 points a game and 6 to 7 rebounds a game.   

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    Yes, most definitely is improving.  Wish he were playing more and more of a focal point of the offense.  Sometimes the Celtics take this ubuntu thing to far - everyone taking the same number of shots sometimes doesn't allow your best offensive players to get into the flow of the game.

     
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    In last night's Celts vs Houston game thread, there was a debate about whether the C's (and Jeff Green in particular) are improving.  We all seem to agree we are disappointed in the inconsistency.  But, do we see progress?    I say yes.  Here's Green's numbers for the Season so far:

    Oct      1 game      23 mins     4 shots      0% shooting    3 rebounds      3 PPG

    Nov     15 games   21 mins   7.6 shots   42% shooting    2.5 reb           8.7 PPG

    Dec      6 games    25 mins   11.8 shots  48% shooting   5.0 reb           14.2 PPG

    Also, 3 point shooting improved from 30% 50% from Nov to Dec.

    While its not the consistency we want, he's definitely improved and I'm in the camp that says he needs to be on the floor more and we will likely get 16 to 18 points a game and 6 to 7 rebounds a game.   

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    Yes, most definitely is improving.  Wish he were playing more and more of a focal point of the offense.  Sometimes the Celtics take this ubuntu thing to far - everyone taking the same number of shots sometimes doesn't allow your best offensive players to get into the flow of the game.

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    Green is a player with real talent and needs to play more. The problem is the team has no physical toughness without which we are going nowhere.

     
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    Guys gotta realize that Jeff is still transitioning into this new role ... He was starting in OKC and was never asked to get off to a quick start. Coming off the bench is quite different and he is still getting use to this task. Give him more minutes & patience

     
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    Guys gotta realize that Jeff is still transitioning into this new role ... He was starting in OKC and was never asked to get off to a quick start. Coming off the bench is quite different and he is still getting use to this task. Give him more minutes & patience

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    In OKC, Jeff Green was a third wheel behind Durant and Westbrook. He was never the first option on offense, and he is probably overwhelmed by the high expectations in Boston. He is often mentioned as Paul Pierce's eventual replacement in the lineup. Yet, has Doc Rivers really taken the time to evaluate the basketball skill set of Jeff Green so as to maximize his talent? Pierce and Green are two very different types of players. For one, Pierce is tougher and more physical, often banging bodies with defenders to draw a foul or squeeze in a shot. Green, who looks uncomfortable playing with his back to the basket, seems to be more in his element taking his shots from the outside and occasionally slashing towards the basket when there is an open lane. IMO his style of play is more similar to Ray Allen's. That being the case, the coaching staff needs to draw up specific plays to enable Green to display his offensive prowess. The consistency in his play will eventually follow as he logs more games and develops confidence. Whether he starts or comes off the bench isn't a decisive factor because he'll know exactly what to do the moment he steps on the floor. Even if Green only turns into a Steve Novak (Knicks) or a Matt Bonner (Spurs) type of role player, he will be big for the Celtics. Doc Rivers needs to tap into the individual strengths of his players and not force them into re-inventing themselves to fit into his system.

     
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    Guys gotta realize that Jeff is still transitioning into this new role ... He was starting in OKC and was never asked to get off to a quick start. Coming off the bench is quite different and he is still getting use to this task. Give him more minutes & patience

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    In OKC, Jeff Green was a third wheel behind Durant and Westbrook. He was never the first option on offense, and he is probably overwhelmed by the high expectations in Boston. He is often mentioned as Paul Pierce's eventual replacement in the lineup. Yet, has Doc Rivers really taken the time to evaluate the basketball skill set of Jeff Green so as to maximize his talent? Pierce and Green are two very different types of players. For one, Pierce is tougher and more physical, often banging bodies with defenders to draw a foul or squeeze in a shot. Green, who looks uncomfortable playing with his back to the basket, seems to be more in his element taking his shots from the outside and occasionally slashing towards the basket when there is an open lane. IMO his style of play is more similar to Ray Allen's. That being the case, the coaching staff needs to draw up specific plays to enable Green to display his offensive prowess. The consistency in his play will eventually follow as he logs more games and develops confidence. Whether he starts or comes off the bench isn't a decisive factor because he'll know exactly what to do the moment he steps on the floor. Even if Green only turns into a Steve Novak (Knicks) or a Matt Bonner (Spurs) type of role player, he will be big for the Celtics. Doc Rivers needs to tap into the individual strengths of his players and not force them into re-inventing themselves to fit into his system.

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    JG appears to be two dimensional offensively- slashes to the basket (using only one hand) & set shooting threes...He needs to develop an in between game that would make him truly Worthy. Is it too late?

     
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    Maybe with the right teammates on the floor and smart minutes, JG could shine..

    Just the other night (cant remember which game) he was shooting poorly...all of a sudden he dunked one and started hitting shots.. Whamo..Doc yanks him.. sticks PP back in..

    hard to understand...

    many coaches will leave a player in who's getting it done as long as he doesnt run out of gas. Ride the guy until he cools off..gives PP extra rest as well.. Doc has used the opposite philosophy many times over the years... pulling guys out like Marquis Daniels right after he starts lighting it up...

     

     

     

     

     

     
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    Green's an intersting player. he's 6'9'' and runs like a gazelle, but (and this is no joke ) His lateral quickness is worse than Darko Millicic, Chris Wilcox, and Brandon bass. It's one of the reasons he can't guard anyone.

    Yet, his offense is improving and he seems to be using his length to greater effect on the defensive side. I'm not sold on him yet.  We can't do anythgin with him until jan 15th so we have until then to see if he continues to improve or is part of a package. 

     

     

     
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    great illustration of his progress this year... as the stats bear out, he is getting better, but green is a very odd player. he has flashes of incredible athleticism and there are times when he shoots the ball well, but is strangely passive and not at all physical. it appears like he only uses his gifts in spurts and then the rest of the time is kind of lying low or cruising. there are times when he reminds me of someone like tracy mcgrady. guys like perk, baby davis - love them or hate them you always felt like they were giving it everything they had night in and night out. same way you feel about garnett, and even pierce. i also like the work ethic from terry, sullinger, bass, and lee. ab is a high motor guy too. even when they frustrate you individually as players they are always giving great effort. maybe green is a guy who has to feel very comfortable to peform at his best, but there's just something about his make-up that it often feels like he's not into the flow of the game, like he has to gear himself up to drive to the basket instead of just doing it. seems like he needs to keep playing significant minutes and needs to have plays called for him. he's better with rondo because rondo actively tries to get him in the right positions and works to get him the ball. what the team needs most from him is consistency on offense and more effort/physical play on the glass and the defensive end of the court. also think he's potentially more effective with a faster pace and the team running more would help him get more offense going to the basket. 

     
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    Re: Is Jeff Green Improving?

    You know, I hear a Paul Pierce slight ankle injury coming (not serious) that, as a precaution, may put Pierce out a couple games.  What Doc should have done, like Popovich, is select games in advance where Pierce (and KG) would not play and thus allow Jeff Green to get minutes to see what he can do.  Part of Green's problem is that when he finally gets into a rythym, Doc takes him out for Pierce.

    Doc has got to find significant minutes for Green before January 15 so we can decide what we have.  If Green is a player who could be part of a trade package, we have to find a way to increase his value to make him attractive to prospective trade partners.

    I like the guy and agree he is immensely talented but honestly, it's yet to be determined if he's a good fit with the Celtics.  Maybe, just maybe, Jeff Green might not turn out to be a good fit in Boston.  If he's not, we need to showcase him.  I doubt we will lose any more games doing that that we would have won otherwise.

    Doc does this every year.  He does not utilze players early in the season when it's the best time to do it.

     

     

     
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    You know, I hear a Paul Pierce slight ankle injury coming (not serious) that, as a precaution, may put Pierce out a couple games.  What Doc should have done, like Popovich, is select games in advance where Pierce (and KG) would not play and thus allow Jeff Green to get minutes to see what he can do.  Part of Green's problem is that when he finally gets into a rythym, Doc takes him out for Pierce.

    Doc has got to find significant minutes for Green before January 15 so we can decide what we have.  If Green is a player who could be part of a trade package, we have to find a way to increase his value to make him attractive to prospective trade partners.

    I like the guy and agree he is immensely talented but honestly, it's yet to be determined if he's a good fit with the Celtics.  Maybe, just maybe, Jeff Green might not turn out to be a good fit in Boston.  If he's not, we need to showcase him.  I doubt we will lose any more games doing that that we would have won otherwise.

    Doc does this every year.  He does not utilze players early in the season when it's the best time to do it.

     

     

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    Lets not compare Doc to Pops.. two different levels imo.

    I agree with you 100% that JG needs long stretches of minutes. Id like to see him out there without Rondo half the time as well.

    Remember JG was the go-to-guy during preseason with the 2nd unit and shined. That worked so well that Doc stopped using it as soon as the season began. Doc is no Pops!!

    I like your idea of sitting KG/PP for a game here and there.. like back-2-backs. These two already showing signs of wearing down by their performances.. esp PP, who plays well, then poorly etc etc.  The big picture is always the playoffs and KG/PP will only help us so much there... a few good games, a few weak ones... we can maybe improve that ratio and improve out team by resting them more and letting their backups get minutes and build whatever chemistry they can.

     

     
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    Re: Is Jeff Green Improving?

    I would like to see Rondo, Bradley, Green, Sully and KG start

    Then Lee, Terry, PP, Bass and Wilcox as the 2nd unit.

    Both have scoring punch and experience with the Boston system.  PP has played the forward point quite a bit and is very comfortable getting the team in it's sets.  I think most of us agree if given more minutes Green and Sully's numbers would improve.  Green more points and Sully more boards.  Of course this is baring any trade for a big man in the coming weeks.  Problem with this, PP would not come off the bench.  Even if it helps the team.

     
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    Re: Is Jeff Green Improving?

    Nope

     
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    Double nope

     
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    I would like to see the Celtics start Green with KG, Pierce, Sullinger and Rondo.

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    Kirk!  

    Pierce would get burned trying to cover a SG, but couldn't be worse than Terry and Rondo trying to play backcourt D... and Green's D is not good.  Sully is still learning and would have a tough time covering taller PFs.  and KG can't play the 5 position night in and night out.  We would be worse defensively and our rebounding problem would still be a problem.

    That said, our offense would be fun to watch.  So I'm in, because this team is going no where, so might as well be entertained instead of frustrated.

     
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    DO THE "JEFF GREEN (JAMES WORTHY) SHOULD START" BACKERS STILL FEEL THAT WAY?????

    ANOTHER 3 PT, 1 REB, 0 ASSIST, -17 +/- NIGHT FOR GREEN.

    UGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Thats as ugly as it gets.  And for 9mil a year, what a bargain.

     

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