It's a One Year Rental

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    In Response to Re: It's a One Year Rental : That's exactly why the Lakers will continue to win championships. Once Kobe's contract is up, there will be A TON of extra money to be used to lure addtional star players. They'll be building around Dwight Howard. Didn't you learn ANYTHING. MITCH KUPCHAK is our GM! Don't think he's not already crunching numbers, looking at potential free agents and trade partners. I never wavered in my opinion that Mitch would put together a competitive team despite salary restrictions and the other owners trying to make it impossible for them to bring in more talent.
    Posted by Qdaddy

    Are you aware that Howard just had back surgery? who knows how it will hold up during the seasson? rumors are that will not be ready for the start of the seasson.My point is that every team hve some healthy issues,not only the celtics.
     
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    In Response to Re: It's a One Year Rental : I think this highlighted statement sums up your feelings and other die hard Celtics fans who will never come to grips with the fact that the Lakers are going to be good and have a very good shot at the Finals.  Hope all is well. 
    Posted by dfurypos


    All is great thanks

    How about you highlight the line where I said the following opinions on their character have LITTLE TO DO WITH my feelings on how their season will end? Hahaha, rarely have I seen such ignorance and inability to comprehend sound facts and reasoning (and I teach kids) but yea, you have been exposed and beaten badly here.

    I am sorry that you have to root for such awful people on your team... Boston only has that problem with the Red Sox.... but it has little to do with fact based reasoning on LA's season outcome.

    I put option A (title game appearance where LA is favored to win) at a 15% chance, option B (WCF loss) at a 60% chance and option C (2nd rd loss) at a 29% chance with an unmentioned 1st rd loss at a 1% chance.

    If you disagree with the concise, factual and well written posts on how LA is not yet better than the Thunder you are entitled to your opinion, but since all you can do is spout lies about how Perk doesn't play Howard well one on one, and give us Vega's August odds as your reasoning for why LA should be better, then you are a JOKE and a FOOL until you shown you have half a brain and ANY knowledge of the NBA, cuz I rammed a ton of it down you and you choked, haha.

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    hahahahahahaha

    keep using your Vegas odds in August as justification for why LA is going to win in June, hahahaha. Do you know anything about odds? They prey on what impulsive decision gamblers want to make at any given time. Right now so many people want to knee-jerk bet on LA after Howard (so many ignorant people that is) that Vegas is going to make TONS at 5-2 odds

    By January I'll be here waiting for you as Vegas likely will have Miami and OKC's odds at 5-2, LA's at 9-2 as they struggle w/ injuries and to find an identity and Vegas gets desperate to pull betters back on the wagon, and the stable, deep, drama-free clubs like Boston, SA and CHI (w/ Rose back a few weeks) will be at 10-1. 

    but the very premise of using Vegas odds as a barometer for playoff success 10 months in the future is some of the most IDIOTIC and amusing (in how pathetic it is) logic i have ever seen from a Faker fan, even if most of you trolls are as ignorant about the sport as it comes. Keep the laughs coming. You must enjoy the humiliation.

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    Oh and your lies about Perk are pretty sad and ignorant as well

    He certainly is a liability in a fast paced game where a stretch 4 like Bosh moves to C, and he was also dealing with a painful groin injury that limited his movement last year, which you are lprob unaware of.

    Unfortunately for LA (and fortunately for OKC) HISTORY has PROVEN that Perk has recorded, documented and known to everyone defensive success against Howard. Perk's groin is a less worrisome injury than Howard's back as well.

    Given equal health for both players Perk should be expected to again play some of the best one on one D in the league vs. Howard at the C position... like he did in '09/'10. OKC traded for him to defend Pau/Bynum, even if Perk was only decent against them in the past he was still an upgrade from SF Jeff Green being at the 4. But now OKC is ecstatic that the C who tormented them for 3years is gone and the one guy Perk is most valuable against is in his place.

    High Five's all around in Oklahoma! hahahaa
     
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    In Response to Re: It's a One Year Rental : Like I said if you believe the Celtics have an excellent chance to win in all as in your procrastinating then fly, walk or take train to Vegas and throw you cash down on it. Furthermore, if you don't like that bet just take the plus money with field against the Lakers/Heat Finals.  Most people know that Vegas doesn't have a favorite team, but they are putting their money out there, unlike you just talking!
    Posted by dfurypos



    hahahahaaha... like I said, Vegas puts odds on the trendy current bets to make themselves money, what don't you get?

    I use an online sportsbook and already bet on those delicious 20-1 Celtic odds. C's are currently flying under the radar. the common ignorant better sees them losing a big name like Ray and doesn't comprehend how superior the
    Terry/Lee additions make them.

    But again, you cowardly use baseless ignorant points like Vegas odds in August to change to the topic away from just how badly I destroyed you with a sane factual look at the Lakers season of ? marks and likely outcomes. If you insist it is more likely they win a title then lose in the West finals you are a fool. Too much has to go right that is currently unknown, the only thing that can go wrong for OKC is either injuries or the miraculous chance that LA solves 85-95% of their multiple concerns... and they still are left with Brown as their coach. HA!

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    Lets see, first the posts where about the Lakers having no shot at acquiring Dwight Howard. Now all these Boston myops are guaranteeing that Howard will bolt at the end of the season.

    Thanks for caring soooo much about what happens in Lakerland. Oh, and to know what the future will bring, I come to this board to be "enlightened" by Boston posters with a crystal ball who guarantee all of these developments--from Kobe going down with an injury, to Howard unable to co-exist, to Nash dying before the season begins.

    Can you tell me how many titles Boston has won in the last 20 years? If you guys were so great at predicting future events then why didn't you stop Len Bias from the cocaine that led to his untimely death? 

    Predictions are total garbage because anything can happen between now and the end of next season. ANYTHING! So keep lying to yourselves about the horrible future for the Lakers and the utopia for the Celts. Huh huh  huh  :)
     
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    I never said the Lakers had no shot at Dwight, in fact I put them neck and neck with Brooklyn as the fav's

    I never said LA has no shot at the finals, just that the odds are better they don't make it then they do and that OKC is still the favorite in the west

    What Vegas does to make themselves money in August is inconsequntial

    all facts

    take care
     
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    In Response to Re: It's a One Year Rental : You hit the nail right on the head green. DH has not had a team like this around him and the league is going to find out this season just how good the Lakers have become. Great reading your posts, your a credit to the true Celtics fan club.
    Posted by The Big4


    my only concern (and it should be very real to Lakers fans) would be a repeat of the 2004 too-many-stars-for-one-basketball dilemma where they made it to the Finals and lost to one of the better defenses of all time.

    I think they'll have a herky jerky first year with flashes, like the Heat. Then fall short due to the inconsistency and growing pains, like the Heat. They'll be running two or three offenses: one for the Nash-Howard pick and roll, one for when Kobe wants his isolation looks, and one that keeps Pau Gasol engaged

    But I like their chances if they can hold it together chemistry-wise and keep Howard.

    My worst fear is that the Lakers turn Gasol into Josh Smith. Howard-Smith-Artest-Kobe would be one of the better defenses in the league.
     
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    And furthermore my point is that LA's improvements are actually of little use against their main rival, the Thunder. Perkins would rather play Howard than Bynum every day of the week.

    You sure like to put stock in this singular point. Sure, Perkins does pretty well against Howard in the low block. I will even concede the point that Perkins does better defensively in the low post on Howard than he does against Bynum. I can even see how a Celtics fan could belabor the point as a justification for why this trade doesn't help the Lakers against Oklahoma. But what you don't touch upon, is the attrocious pick and roll defense that Bynum plays. This is where Oklahoma killed the Lakers, beat them like a drum. This is where the Lakers make up ground, they go from very poor, to very good, maybe the best. The best defensive player in the game is now roaming the paint for LA. Bynum played defense in spurts, and even then could not show on the PnR, and if he tried he couldn't get back. They turned big Bynum into a turnstyle, it was ugly.

    On offense, Bynum and Gasols's game did not quite fit, and this was magnified with attrocious point gard play, completely exposed, butt naked, when they jettisoned the triangle offense. With the addition of Steve Nash, one of the elite pick and roll players in the NBA, and Gasol and Howard both being really elite level PnR bigs, the offensive dynamic goes so much deeper than "Perkins does better against Bynum." Bynum was too immobile to be anything but a back to the basket, low post offesive threat, the options were limited, and it hurt Gasol's game. This is now remedied, and the jump in athletisism, and mobility, along with a playmaker like Nash makes this frontcourt much more challenging for everyone to defend, including OKC. 

    In a seven game series, the Lakers are going to have options and skillsets to play with that didn't exist in the last go around, so when this chess match starts, mismatches and easy buckets are going to be so much easier to find over the course of the series for the Lakers this time. This is a team sport, and simplifying the frontcort battle to "Perkins would rather play Howard" is just a plain old silly theory. You win championships with defense and rebounding, both have improved, kind of telling, this dynamic didn't make the cut, in your diatribe.
     
    And while Westbrook may not enjoy seeing Nash hit a few clutch shots and not wet hit pants under pressure like Sessions did, he would MUCH rather have Nash guarding him on D than the athletic and young Ramon. So really... LA is better equipped to beat SA perhaps, or the Clips, or the Grizz... but they are not better off against the team who whipped them last year.

    Not better off? You cherry pick to make your points in a debate, but this is basketball, not a debate club, and while biased Celtics fans can get on this line of thinking and buy in, the reality is likely to be another rude awakening for everyone not with the Purple and Gold. 

    Did you watch the Lakers point guards play last year? There was no worse point guard play in the entire NBA. 

    Ramon Sessions might be a fast, athletic guy, but he does not have a clue how to play defense. He has no lateral quickness, and was a defensive mess on a good day. When comparing the defensive metrics of Sessions to Nash at Synergy from last year, Sessions was worse in every defensive category, even with Nash in his late 30's.  And lets not pretend, nobody can stay in front of Westbrook, nobody. 

    Team defense is how you defend for championships, and the front court guys protecting the rim behind Nash will now be among the best, and as a team, the Lakers defense will be better, against everyone, including the Thunder. To insinuate that adding a DPOY center into the equation means worse defense is a silly insinuation when you are coming off Fisher and Sessions at the point. 

    On the offensive side of the ball, the Lakers go from bottom feeder to elite point guard play. Steve Nash is one of the best shooters and pick and roll men in the NBA, and this is hardly worth mentioning in your analysis? Steve Nash makes everyone around him better, more efficient. This has been the case his entire career. This means elite level PnR with Nash-Gasol, Nash-Howard, and Nash-Kobe, and coming from non existent PnR play, this is significant, as the triangle is gone. 

    Of course, the Celtics opinion is bad back, bad back, bad back, even though he doesn't miss games, and is still among the league leaders for assists, can shoot the lights out, and he might still be the best at orchestrating an offense. For all this talk about his back, he played in more games last season than the young and spry Rondo, and doesn't carry the baggage of .238 from three. Here among the Celtics faithful, you are all trying to conjure up in your minds, a player who can't get up and down the court, because he is hobbled and can't run, but you will learn how wrongheaded this line is.

    And then there is the elephant in the room no one talks about. Last year was a logistical nightmare for every team in the league, but for the Lakers, it was much worse than any of the "contending" teams. While I am not here looking for sympathy, and know there will be none, this is still the reality. The Lakers started the season off having the Chris Paul trade vetoed, which cost them Lamar Odom, and screwed up the chemistry. Then they had to move away from the triangle, to a conventional offense, new systems all around, and no time to make the transition, or practice time to improve upon it. Then they changed point guards mid season to a guy who never played on a big stage, and was overwhelmed in the play-offs, since he never played a playoff game before. Execution on both sides of the ball was bad, so imagine how not shocking it was not to get past a team like OKC. No better off? Perish that thought, because that is a ridiculous thing to say.




     


     
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    In Response to Re: It's a One Year Rental : You sure like to put stock in this singular point. Sure, Perkins does pretty well against Howard in the low block. I will even concede the point that Perkins does better defensively in the low post on Howard than he does against Bynum. I can even see how a Celtics fan could belabor the point as a justification for why this trade doesn't help the Lakers against Oklahoma. But what you don't touch upon, is the attrocious pick and roll defense that Bynum plays. This is where Oklahoma killed the Lakers, beat them like a drum. This is where the Lakers make up ground, they go from very poor, to very good, maybe the best. The best defensive player in the game is now roaming the paint for LA. Bynum played defense in spurts, and even then could not show on the PnR, and if he tried he couldn't get back. They turned big Bynum into a turnstyle, it was ugly. On offense, Bynum and Gasols's game did not quite fit, and this was magnified with attrocious point gard play, completely exposed, butt naked, when they jettisoned the triangle offense. With the addition of Steve Nash, one of the elite pick and roll players in the NBA, and Gasol and Howard both being really elite level PnR bigs, the offensive dynamic goes so much deeper than "Perkins does better against Bynum." Bynum was too immobile to be anything but a back to the basket, low post offesive threat, the options were limited, and it hurt Gasol's game. This is now remedied, and the jump in athletisism, and mobility, along with a playmaker like Nash makes this frontcourt much more challenging for everyone to defend, including OKC.  In a seven game series, the Lakers are going to have options and skillsets to play with that didn't exist in the last go around, so when this chess match starts, mismatches and easy buckets are going to be so much easier to find over the course of the series for the Lakers this time. This is a team sport, and simplifying the frontcort battle to "Perkins would rather play Howard" is just a plain old silly theory. You win championships with defense and rebounding, both have improved, kind of telling, this dynamic didn't make the cut, in your diatribe.   Not better off? You cherry pick to make your points in a debate, but this is basketball, not a debate club, and while biased Celtics fans can get on this line of thinking and buy in, the reality is likely to be another rude awakening for everyone not with the Purple and Gold.  Did you watch the Lakers point guards play last year? There was no worse point guard play in the entire NBA.  Ramon Sessions might be a fast, athletic guy, but he does not have a clue how to play defense. He has no lateral quickness, and was a defensive mess on a good day. When comparing the defensive metrics of Sessions to Nash at Synergy from last year, Sessions was worse in every defensive category, even with Nash in his late 30's.  And lets not pretend, nobody can stay in front of Westbrook, nobody.  Team defense is how you defend for championships, and the front court guys protecting the rim behind Nash will now be among the best, and as a team, the Lakers defense will be better, against everyone, including the Thunder. To insinuate that adding a DPOY center into the equation means worse defense is a silly insinuation when you are coming off Fisher and Sessions at the point.  On the offensive side of the ball, the Lakers go from bottom feeder to elite point guard play. Steve Nash is one of the best shooters and pick and roll men in the NBA, and this is hardly worth mentioning in your analysis? Steve Nash makes everyone around him better, more efficient. This has been the case his entire career. This means elite level PnR with Nash-Gasol, Nash-Howard, and Nash-Kobe, and coming from non existent PnR play, this is significant, as the triangle is gone.  Of course, the Celtics opinion is bad back, bad back, bad back, even though he doesn't miss games, and is still among the league leaders for assists, can shoot the lights out, and he might still be the best at orchestrating an offense. For all this talk about his back, he played in more games last season than the young and spry Rondo, and doesn't carry the baggage of .238 from three. Here among the Celtics faithful, you are all trying to conjure up in your minds, a player who can't get up and down the court, because he is hobbled and can't run, but you will learn how wrongheaded this line is. And then there is the elephant in the room no one talks about. Last year was a logistical nightmare for every team in the league, but for the Lakers, it was much worse than any of the "contending" teams. While I am not here looking for sympathy, and know there will be none, this is still the reality. The Lakers started the season off having the Chris Paul trade vetoed, which cost them Lamar Odom, and screwed up the chemistry. Then they had to move away from the triangle, to a conventional offense, new systems all around, and no time to make the transition, or practice time to improve upon it. Then they changed point guards mid season to a guy who never played on a big stage, and was overwhelmed in the play-offs, since he never played a playoff game before. Execution on both sides of the ball was bad, so imagine how not shocking it was not to get past a team like OKC. No better off? Perish that thought, because that is a ridiculous thing to say.  
    Posted by shonasty


    Good thoughtful post and solid points, not the type that win arguments, but certainly the type that spark intelligent debate 99% of Laker trolls are not capable of having, so well done.

    The only way the argument is won is through regular season results. You gain a bit here, you lose a bit there, etc. etc. There are still a bunch of massive ego's to gel together, a coach hopelessly inept at doing so, and also not too good at the chess game of x's and o's, and 2 of the new guys have injury concerns, 4 starters have age concerns, and 4 starters have personality concerns.

    With all that could go wrong, the only thing you can do is wait for it to play out and see if 80-90% of it goes right, thus giving LA a title shot.

    The idiots who want to claim even that the West has been won in August, let alone a title, and use things like 'Vegas odds' as their proof look pretty pathetic right now. OKC is still the team to beat. LA prob got themselves past the Spurs these last few weeks. The chance that this doesn't work for LA, when nothing short of a title is acceptable, is greater than the chance a parade is thrown next June and thats just the facts, look no further than the super friends summer of 2010 celebration to see how silly it is to squawk too soon... and those guys were all healthy and in their prime's.
     
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    idk howard just bought a 20 million dollar mansion in newport beach.
     
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    In Response to Re: It's a One Year Rental : I'd imagine that Boston would welcome any of our Big4 into their team. I love The Spaniard, the beat down he put on Garnett in the '10 Finals was a sight to behold. How he works in with the new Laker team will be interesting but from what I've heard so far from hmi and what I saw in the Olympics, bring it on!
    Posted by The Big4


    you mean the year Garnett came back from knee surgery? the year before the Spaniard's numbers fell off a cliff? And they won by 4 points only because of 27 free throws in one quarter? and they still have one less championship than the Celtics despite the fact that the Celtics took the 90's and early 2000's off?

    That year?

    lol they should be very good, but there's real risk. We'll see - that's why they play the games
     
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    Daddy....you and I are usually on the same page....but on this one I have to disagree.....DH is a freakish athlete but has limited offensive skills.....he is showing that he can be very immature to the point of looking like a head case....he is definitely not a team leader (more like a coach killer)....don't get me wrong....I happen to like Dwight a lot....but a franchise player needs to do everything well and be a leader of men.....Kobe has shown that he has it...Dwight has not....at least not to this point as he enters his 9th season in the league I think both of our teams have improved themselves.....you just exchanged the second best center for the number one guy.....and got a classy albeit old point guard....Danny has transitioned our team seemingly overnight....much deeper and much younger....hopefully Sully is the steal of the draft....either way, we are both contenders....provably each #2 in it's conference.......good luck this year buddy....it should be fun...!!
    Posted by Duke4


    Duke, sometimes a player needs a change of scenery in order to reach his potential. Bynum didn't become the beast he has until he started getting coached by Kareem Abdul Jabbar. I'm not sure that's part of the Lakers plan, but just being around a "championship" environment, with all those banners hanging from the rafters, could have a huge impace on Howard's "mental" approach. I certainly don't believe Kobe is a "leader" in the truest sense, because a leader wouldn't have thrown his teammates under the bus the way he did a few years ago. But NOBODY questions his work ethic. Howard will be able to take the best from Kobe, Gasol and Nash and develop a better approach to the game.

    Dwight has been an outstanding player despite not having the supporting cast that he NOW has. The pick and roll is Nash's specialty and Howard is going to thrive because of it.

    You're selling the Lakers short on this one. That's okay. They haven't played a game yet. But I think you and everyone in the league is going to see a real juggearnaut team.

    I think DA did a very good job of keeping the C's a threat in the East, considering his resources. I think they're still capable of getting to the conference finals, but that's where it will end. Miami, as much as hate them, is still the best out there. And if the C's somehow pulled the "major" upset and beat them, they'll have to face either OKC or the Lakers. OKC has the young horses and the Lakers have an inside/outside game with a couple of trees up front. The Celtics won't get past either of those teams.

    Of course this is all speculation. I'm looking forward to the upcoming season where it will all play out. Good luck to you and your team.
     
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    Love hom or hate him, Kobe is one of the most talented mentally and physically toughest players of his generation. DH is such an azz clown he got upset when Kobe told him he could teach him how to win. Kobe os probably done but if anyone can come back from an achilles at 35 it's Kobe. DH is a joker and a joke, if he wins a ring it will be at the tail end of his career and he will be the 10th man. I am a total homer but eventhough I hate him you got to respect Kobes game.

     
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    In Response to Re: It's a One Year Rental : ROTLMAO!!!! I guess he will come to my Celtics then considering we have a total of 1 title in the past 25 years.  UGH!!!
    Posted by GoGREEN!


    As bad as I hate to say it my Lakers have had at least 2 championships given to us. The Sacremento debacle was total embarrassment and was the 4 quarter of game seven agains the Celtics.  I would say it goes both ways but I have never seen the Celtics get anything like those games given to them.  Ughhh!


      You forgot Trailblazers series and the 1980's

     
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    In Response to Re: It's a One Year Rental : ROTLMAO!!!! I guess he will come to my Celtics then considering we have a total of 1 title in the past 25 years.  UGH!!!
    Posted by GoGREEN!


    As bad as I hate to say it my Lakers have had at least 2 championships given to us. The Sacremento debacle was total embarrassment and was the 4 quarter of game seven agains the Celtics.  I would say it goes both ways but I have never seen the Celtics get anything like those games given to them.  Ughhh!


      You forgot Trailblazers series and the 1980's

     



    Jabbars goaltending last second shot game 7 vs Detroit for the threepeat.

     
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