Jeff Green is NOT a power forward

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    The NBA has changed new players are more versital play 2 positions to exploit different matchups/
     
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    Slice it up any way you want it Green will get 28-32 minutes. We have 8  guys that could avg 25 +- minutes a game; Rondo,PP,KG,Bass,Green,Lee,Bradley and JET. There are 240 minutes in a game. I feel our top 8 will be very productive. The bulk of the remaining 20 minutes will be divided mostly by Wilcox and Sullinger with Joe,Xmas, Melo or J Smith fighting for the scraps.That is a very good very deep lineup.
     
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    Posted by Kirk6

    He will not play power forward against players that can over power him his major minutes will be at 3 resting PP and minutes at the 4 will be when his talents work in our favor
     
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    In Response to Re: Jeff Green is NOT a power forward : Green was traded to BOS to play the "Posey Role" ("Backup SF / Stretch PF"). Period. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9AIwzZtFAA    (1:55) Posted by PuPirate
    Posey was a gritty lock down defender who could hit the 3. Green is an athletic versatile sf with much more potential. Scoring,runnin the break....not a good comparison. Def diff players in many aspects
     
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    In Response to Re: Jeff Green is NOT a power forward : He will not play power forward against players that can over power him his major minutes will be at 3 resting PP and minutes at the 4 will be when his talents work in our favor Posted by genaro008
    Exactly Why do we have to label him solely as a sf. More min at the 3 but his versatility is a plus. Lebrun isn't a 4 and I would much rather green guard him than bass. We can create mis matches and defend other teams lineup changes. There are plenty of small, quick pf, some of which hang around the peremiter. bargnani example. Having rondo will be an incentive to go small sometimes and in order to get lee, terry, Bradley and Pierce min, doc will have to use green at pf sometimes, especially if lee can guard a smaller 3. Not to mention, if Wilcox goes down, it becomes a talent issue and unless the other teams front court is huge, green will get the nod, unless you want to see a lot of Collins, with kg then playing the 4. We are versatile and VERY deep, embrace it and don't try to say a certain player is strictly a 3. lee is not just a 2 and neither is terry as he will play a ill point. league is changing to long, athletic bigs under 7ft who can run and shoot from deep. We were the worst rebounding team last yr so we can only go up. Don't forget green has a post game, but overall yea he matches up better w 3s and has more traits that resemble a 3, but versatility will make this team great and allow doc to work his magic. Green did well at okc playing out of his MAIN position so I expect big things. Big baby wasn't a center but he gave DH fits....examples upon examples
     
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    Posted by genaro008


    Honestly why is it so hard to understand that Green (not Bass, not Wilcox, not Sullinger) is the BEST option at PF when we go small? 
    And that we go small against teams with thye J smiths, S battiers, and B Diaws of the league?
     
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    In Response to Re: Jeff Green is NOT a power forward : Want to bet? Doc has a fetish about "going small."
    Posted by Kirk6


    I'll take that bet! When has this "fetish" failed Doc??
     
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    In Response to Re: Jeff Green is NOT a power forward : you are not proving anything by copying and pasting the same things this was not your original position on Green as noted already, that position was shown to be wrong. Now that you have changed your position, moved the goal posts so to say, to one that most posters here agreed with, where he is a good option at the 4 in certain match-ups (Smith, Diaw, Battier, Durant) what is your point? If Kirk is still saying he shouldn't be a PF at all then he is wrong b/c there are several situations where Green is the better option there than Sully/Bass. But we'll need an upgrade on Bass anyhow to be a title contender. and to answer another of your questions, some of us here don't think Doc will take Green out vs. taller stonger PF's and it worries us, esp b/c the options of Sully, Wilcox and Bass are currently overwhelming anyone. But glad you have admitted that Green was not a 'darn good' PF in OKC and should not play more than the Posey 8-12 mins here.
    Posted by rameakap

    "you are not proving anything by copying and pasting..." Ans: They're just simple questions. By you not answering them proves the case is pretty much closed.

    "not your original position on Green as noted already..." Ans: Ok, go ahead, I CHANLENGE U to copy and paste ANY part of my original post(s) where it indicated that Green will be the C's Starting PF for the entire season, that he will play 36 mins of PF for the Celtics. Go Right On Ahead And Look. If you cannot do this it simply did NOT HAPPEN. 

     If Kirk is still saying he shouldn't be a PF at all then he is wrong b/c there are several situations where Green is the better option Ans: Its Not a matter of "If" Kirk said this. Kirks exact quote was "never" play the PF position so there no other way to interpret that than what was written "never".  Kirk , as all of us, should have the right to elaborate on exactly what he meant without fear of an attack, since he hasn't that is a pretty good clue that he meant exactly that "never".

    " some of us here don't think Doc will take Green out vs. taller stonger PF's and it worries us" Ans: Look I'm thinking either Some of you fans give these professionals, like Doc/DA, Too Little Credit OR Your giving yourselfs Way Too Much Of It. "Smallball" can be effectively applied to (A) Matchup against the Opposing Team's "Smallball" unit OR it can be (B) Applied to Force the Oppossing Team to matchup (see USA men squad, Miami Heat). Now you and others as fans are still entitled to question anything the "pros" are doing but, really you or myself do NOT have any qualifications nor credibility over Doc or DA enough to predict when or if Doc (a pro) should deploy the "smallball" technique. Now how teams determine when to deploy it depends on obviously who you have on the roster. If your best 5-8 players are mostly 3s,4s,5s (not ussually the case) than your going with a 'big' linup. If your top 5-8 players are (1s,2s,3s) then your more likely to go with the "smallball" lineup as the 08 Celtics did to create mismatches and to hold onto leads late in games. Look at the list of league PFs and tell me how many of these players pose both the "taller stronger" mismatch you speak of?


    It really sounds SILLY for you or anyone else on this forum to say "...Oh I can see a bad PF matchup for Jeff Green and Doc Rivers, his stable of assistants/analysist, and DA will somehow MISS IT leaving GREEN in TOO LONG at PF to deteriment of the Celtics BUT OF COARSE I'll CATCH IT BEFORE thE CELTICS DO". My question would be can u name the game/series since 08 where DOC  clearly has done so but you of coarse knew better?

    Bruh dont play that "...most posters agree..." B#&&$#!@. Kirk and others can speak for himself. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions so its ok for u to stand on your own two feet, and pull your skirt down. I can def see your heehaw. I could care less who agrees or disagree with my "opinion" cause its an opinion that I equally feel "strong" about.

    Again my stance or 'POSITION' has not change at all. You just never asked me to elaborate on my initial post before you had decided (for me) what I meant by "my Own" comment.
     
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    In response to "Re: Jeff Green is NOT a power forward": Posey was a gritty lock down defender who could hit the 3. Green is an athletic versatile sf with much more potential. Scoring,runnin the break....not a good comparison. Def diff players in many aspects
    Posted by Sev133


    1) First, I agree with you on the skillsets of Green and Posey being different. 
    My point is that the "smallball" does NOT need to always include the skillset of Posey to be a "darn good Strectch PF". You can also have the skill set of a Green to take other PFs off the dribble (think Royce White), and beating other bigs down the court. Its not the the specifc skillset that make "smallball" effective, its the mismatches that either Jeff or James can create with the different skillsets.

    2) My 2nd point is this IS NOT MY COMPARISION (alone). Its actually BOTH Doc and DA's "comparision". 

    "...Krstic is a good piece for us as well. He spreads the floor, which I think is great for [Rajon] Rondo. Jeff Green spreads the floor, too..."

    "...We needed to get that [small forward or power forward] swing guy," Rivers added. "One of the things I was just saying is that this gives us the ability -- like the year we won it -- at times we can go small with Green at the 4 and Kevin [Garnett] at the 5, with Paul [Pierce] and Ray [Allen] spreading the floor. We've been trying to get that lineup ever since [James] Posey left. You forget how many times we did that in the playoffs, which was every fourth quarter. We haven't been able to duplicate that and, in some ways, it's hurt Rondo ..."


    Really lets not sound silly and discredit ourselves by begginning to IMPLY that DOC/DA/C's do NOT have a game plan. U are entitled to second guess their game plan, as a fan, BUT YOU CANNOT DOUBT FOR ONE SECOND THAT THEY HAVE ALREADLY PUT HOURS OF THOUGHT INTO THIS TOPIC THAN the MERE MINUTES YOU AND I SPENT.
     
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    Danny had some great signings this off season and I don't think Jeff's contract is any less a good one for both sides.  There aren't any contracts signed, that if one of the young players steps up, the Celtics won't be able to move to open up some minutes.

    There are hints of a very solid player in Jeff Green.  We can question all we want, if he is or isn't, but Danny has been high on this guy for a reason.  Let's give him the benefit of the dought for now.

    This team, as assemble, is very versitile and can rise to the different match up situations.  It can run.  It can play solid defense.  It has players that can fill the basket.  It has depth for the inevitable injuries.  It has a good mix of vets and young players.

    You guys are nit picking Jeff Greens game apart and none of us are quite certain how this player is going to used.  It could be vastly different from one game to the next, depending on the matchups.  Lets not forget you have a GM and Coach that have assembled well above average teams for 5 straight years using players that can fill different roles.

    Remember last offseason.  No one had the Celtics making out of the first round and that was before the rash of unfortunate injuries.

    This team has talent and I can't, like most of you, wait until this coming season for it to take the court.
     
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    In Response to Re: Jeff Green is NOT a power forward : the FIRST thing you said was that in Oklahoma City Jeff Green was a 'darn good PF' He was NOT end of story, facts proved it now you want to spin in circles saying in the brief Posey-like 10-12 mins he plays small-ball PF here there are teams with smaller 4's Green will be effective against great job, I have said that since the trade yet you were wrong that he was even a good PF in OKC, and that is my point, so why are you now trying to say the SAME stuff as me but as if in some way to create an argument? When you entered this thread you were making comments about Green that were wrong, in the last 48 hours you have made points that are correct jeez
    Posted by rameakap

    Green was a "darn good PF" at OKC, a "darn good stretch PF", one of his parttime roles that at OKC as was "the backup SF to Durrant". My point was that if he could get away with playing the entire season he def will have a similar role with the Celtics. 

    1) Where am I wrong in saying that?
    2) Why is it do i have to stipulate specifcs like this role will be played for 10-12 mins? No One on this Forum Knows that only Doc so ITS DUM TO EVEN ENTERTAIN SUCH SPECIFICS.
    3) Or why do i need to say that Doc will need to pay attention to matchups?? THATS OBVIOUS. 
    4)How did you somehow think that those were ALL YOUR Original IDEAS??? Doubt anyone on this forum has a need to "say the same stuff as" you seeing that noone can make out what your trying to say wth your lips smacked tightly over Fierce's bum. Dude you DONT have any 'proof' just PERs.

    1) Your ideas are not really that original enough to admire.
    2) My points have never waivered. Your jus TOO stupid n ignorant to raise ur hand and ask for elaboration.
    3) Extrapolate and add whatEVA you want from this comment since you will anyways...

    "JEFF GREEN WILL PLAY PF FOR THE BOSTON C'S IN 2013"

    No need to elaborate unless asked. Thats is and has always has been my point from jump.

     
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    Posted by rameakap


    Destroyed? :'D Guess AGAIN!!
    PER is not even recognized by the NBA as a legitimate statistic.

    If you recognize that Green played both the "Backup SF" and the "Stretch PF" roles for OKC/SEA, then tell us...

    How much (or what percentage) of that 12.8 PER was him defending the opposing PF with at the "Stretch PF" role versus him defending the SF as the "Backup Sf" role?

    Now How much of each of those roles contributed to the 7.7 PER with the Celtics (Also the Better Defensive Team)? 

    The PER stat has HOLES. 

    -You CANNOT determine who or what posistion the player was guarding 
    -It doesnt determine who his other frontcourt mate bigs that he played alongside at this period.
    -It doesnt really use what position he was playing at that point of the PER rating
    -Players and Coaches DONT use it.

    You def are not more knowledgable on Jeff Green's carreer than myself. Sharing a parttime role at both roles Jeff Green (at 14.0ppg 6rpg) was darn good at both roles comparable to other players who successfully played the same exact role... 

    Thaddeus Young 12.6rpg 5.0
    Josh Smith 15.0ppg7.9rpg
    Boris Diaw 9.5ppg 4.9rpg
    James Posey 7.4ppg 4.4rpg

    What were those guys PER's?? Rhetorical who cares really.

    Face it "darn good PF" can mean "darn good stretch PF". The facts are just like all "stretch PFs", even the good ones, run into a bad matchup when left in too long. The difference with Green in OKC is that OKC had to leave him in, probably he was too "darn good" to sit down. The Celtic dont have this problem but make NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT.

    1) JEFF GREEN IS A TOP 5 PLAYER ON THE CELTICS ROSTER MAYBE TOP 4.

    2)So that clearly means...AND SAY IT WITH ME..."JEFF GREEN WILL PLAY PF ON THE CELTICS" in my response to Kirk entry of "never"

    No need for you to go to any school, since you won't raise ur hand or asked any questions. Really its ok. Take your Butt Wooping Like a Man. 
     
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    In Response to Re: Jeff Green is NOT a power forward : Destroyed? :'D Guess AGAIN!! PER is not even recognized by the NBA as a legitimate statistic. If you recognize that Green played both the "Backup SF" and the "Stretch PF" roles for OKC/SEA, then tell us... How much (or what percentage) of that 12.8 PER was him defending the opposing PF with at the "Stretch PF" role versus him defending the SF as the "Backup Sf" role? Now How much of each of those roles contributed to the 7.7 PER with the Celtics (Also the Better Defensive Team)?  The PER stat has HOLES.  -You CANNOT determine who or what posistion the player was guarding  -It doesnt determine who his other frontcourt mate bigs that he played alongside at this period. -It doesnt really use what position he was playing at that point of the PER rating -Players and Coaches DONT use it. You def are not more knowledgable on Jeff Green's carreer than myself. Sharing a parttime role at both roles Jeff Green (at 14.0ppg 6rpg) was darn good at both roles comparable to other players who successfully played the same exact role...  Thaddeus Young 12.6rpg 5.0 Josh Smith 15.0ppg7.9rpg Boris Diaw 9.5ppg 4.9rpg James Posey 7.4ppg 4.4rpg What were those guys PER's?? Rhetorical who cares really. Face it "darn good PF" can mean "darn good stretch PF". The facts are just like all "stretch PFs", even the good ones, run into a bad matchup when left in too long. The difference with Green in OKC is that OKC had to leave him in, probably he was too "darn good" to sit down. The Celtic dont have this problem but make NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT. 1) JEFF GREEN IS A TOP 5 PLAYER ON THE CELTICS ROSTER MAYBE TOP 4. 2)So that clearly means...AND SAY IT WITH ME..."JEFF GREEN WILL PLAY PF ON THE CELTICS" in my response to Kirk entry of "never" No need for you to go to any school, since you won't raise ur hand or asked any questions. Really its ok. Take your Butt Wooping Like a Man. 
    Posted by PuPirate


     
     I'm hoping Green will be a top 3 player before the year is over!!  You guys have really been putting on a good show these past few days, If i had to pick a winner, i would give you the edge on style points!!
     
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    Greens problem on both sides of the floor is that he lacks killer instinct. That limits his abilities at the 3 and 4, but on the 3 he at least dominates physically against most opponents. Besides his lack of lateral speed or is Kirk right with the stiff knees? At the 4, it his mind exposing him not his body.

    If he can step up (mentally) and regain his fitness level after the heart injury which ket him out for one (1 !) year without playing ball, then he has all the tools to be a stud...big if though.
     
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    In Response to Re: Jeff Green is NOT a power forward : He was NOT a 'darn good PF' in OKC you lost, and it wasn't even close all the spinning you want to do now about PF's reen could match-up against this season cannot take away from the fact that MULTIPLE stats showed Green was not even a good PF and you can't move past it but need to blather on about other situations and possibilities to try to mask your original false claim you were destroyed and exposed say it with me... "when Jeff Green was playing big minutes at the starting PF spot in Oklahoma City he was NOT A GOOD POWER FORWARD' won't that feel better to get off your chest? you know.... the truth?? Cuz there is no way around the truth my friend, no matter how much you blather and spin, post the same ideas as me that he can be a good stretch 4 in small mins for specific players, yada yada yada the intitial comment you made was wrong ... please accept and move on
    Posted by rameakap


    Quantify exactly how many "big minutes" did Jeff Green play "at the PF spot".
    Look at your PER ratings I hear those might help. LMAO!

    Dude your the King of Spin and Stat manipulation lol #bogus

     
     
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    The quotes Green and his agent were making (as he gunned for a contract) were that we will see this all-new amazing bball player b/c the heart issue gave him a new outlook on life, he recognized he was passive, he deferred too much in OKC and wasn't a natural PF, he had no clue what to do and didn't want to step on anybody's toes in Boston, etc. etc. Now we shall the player/man Jeff Green has always aspired to be and knows he can be [holding my breath and crossing all my fingers]
    Posted by rameakap


    Not according to Doc :'D  "at times we can go small with Green at the 4 and Kevin [Garnett] at the 5, with Paul [Pierce] and Ray [Allen] spreading the floor."

    I must be the WINNER cause I only use ACTUAL QUOTES. bahahaha


    http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nba/news/story?id=6155082

     
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    My God you lost this one big time and continue to humiliate yourself Nobody cares if Doc says he will play the 4 'at times' that is exactly what I and others here have said since the trade. It has nothing to do with ur being on the record as having no idea just how MEDIOCRE a player he was at OKC. This pathetic refusal to accept that truth and admit you DID NOT KNOW what you were talking about has made you delusional. Anyone who thinks Green was a 'darn good PF' his first 4 years in the league is clueless. You have yet to show me what it was that made Jeff Green a 'darn good PF' in OKC. He wasn't even good. Get over it. The truth and stats proved you wrong. If you want to say NBA experts who use PER are wrong then you are even more ignorant than you already sound. There is no way to spin away from his 12.8 PER being worse than a guy like Bass and his defense making every PF he played (on average) look like a 21.7 PER all-star. Get a clue.
    Posted by rameakap


    Listen I already bestowed upon u way too much knowledge on this topic for free. Honestly I will have to charge you the next time I offer Legit stats and quotes from credible sources. 

    Your Welcome
     
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    Green will get most of his mins as 6th man....but I can envision many scenarios where Pierce and Green will be on the floor at the same time. Kind of like what Pat Riley calls a positionless lineup!
     
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    Green is not a power forward. Though he is physically close to a lot of power forwards in the league, he plays smaller than his size and would rather be on the perimeter than baging down low. The argument here centers on the use of the term "stretch pf or 4," which is a term that implies a kind of hybrid 3-4. Green will be on the floor in the 4 spot and the Celtics will struggle rebounding with a front line of pierce/green/and garnett, but obviously moreso against certain teams, and it is true that there are fewer and fewer teams sporting imposing front lines. I think the worry is that the team's greatest weakness (rebounding) has not really been addressed so the team better run, better be very efficient on the offensive end of the floor, and better defend really hard as a team because they are not going to beat anyone on the boards. They have Bass, who is also not  strong rebounder at the 4, Wilcox who is fine at the 4 but undersized at the 5. Garnett, who is also undersized (weight/bulk-wise) at the 5 and Collins, who is a big body and fine man-to-man defensively, but does not block shots or rebound partiuclarly well. The loss of stiemsma left them without a true shot blocking presence other than garnett and depending on melo and sullinger is impossible at this point. They'll survive fine during the regular season mixing and matching with wilcox/lee/terry/bradley/pierce/bass because there's enough talent there to win 50 games and be a top 3-4 seed in the east. One just wonders about the size in the playoffs and if it's enough to get it done against the miami/chicago/san antonio/okc/la clips of the world. Any significant contribution from sullinger and or melo will really, really help this team because it's in the exact spots they need it most to be a championship contender. 
     
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    Green is not a power forward. Though he is physically close to a lot of power forwards in the league, he plays smaller than his size and would rather be on the perimeter than baging down low. The argument here centers on the use of the term "stretch pf or 4," which is a term that implies a kind of hybrid 3-4. Green will be on the floor in the 4 spot and the Celtics will struggle rebounding with a front line of pierce/green/and garnett, but obviously moreso against certain teams, and it is true that there are fewer and fewer teams sporting imposing front lines. I think the worry is that the team's greatest weakness (rebounding) has not really been addressed so the team better run, better be very efficient on the offensive end of the floor, and better defend really hard as a team because they are not going to beat anyone on the boards. They have Bass, who is also not  strong rebounder at the 4, Wilcox who is fine at the 4 but undersized at the 5. Garnett, who is also undersized (weight/bulk-wise) at the 5 and Collins, who is a big body and fine man-to-man defensively, but does not block shots or rebound partiuclarly well. The loss of stiemsma left them without a true shot blocking presence other than garnett and depending on melo and sullinger is impossible at this point. They'll survive fine during the regular season mixing and matching with wilcox/lee/terry/bradley/pierce/bass because there's enough talent there to win 50 games and be a top 3-4 seed in the east. One just wonders about the size in the playoffs and if it's enough to get it done against the miami/chicago/san antonio/okc/la clips of the world. Any significant contribution from sullinger and or melo will really, really help this team because it's in the exact spots they need it most to be a championship contender. 
    Posted by bt33

    Jeff Green is not ONLY a PF he is a SF/PF.  

    "...he plays smaller than his size...""...would rather be on the perimeter than baging down low..." Ans: I thought you were describing these guys ...
    Thaddeus Young
    Josh Smith
    Dirk Nowitzki
    Shane Battier
    Andrea Bargnani
    Ryan Anderson
    Boris Diaw
    Kevin Garnett

    "the Celtics will struggle rebounding with a front line of pierce/green/and garnett" Ans: What5 if I were to say that rebounding is the MOST overated storyline for Celtics of the past 4 years?  In that time period the Celtics struggled to rebound with pierce/perkins/and garnett, PLUS Perkins couldnt make layups. 20 NBA Teams are superior rebounders to the HEAT. I dont think anyone really doubts whether or not the Celtics are a very good defesive team. Their defense is a will be fine. I'm in the camp that believes their primary problem was (and no it was just not Ray) losing the 50/50 and "loose" ball battles night in and night out rather. Their Team Speed reflected Not so much on the balls ABOVE the rim but the ones "BELOW" it because of the lack of capable atheletes such as Avery Bradleys, Jason Terry, Courntey Lee, Chris Wilcox, and O yeah Jeff Green. 

    "...The loss of stiemsma left them without a true shot blocking presence? other than garnett..." Ans: Celtics are a better shotblocking team than Miami. How that worked out? Shot blocking stat doesnt always accurate determine a successful defesive posession. Teams like Washington, Utah, Pheonix, Indiania, are Charlotte (lol) are all better shotblocking teams then Miami. OKC is a better shotblocking, rebounding, taller and bulkier team than the Heat and the FINALS was not really a CLOSE. 

    I rather lead the league in STEALS, Opp Turnovers, Opp FG% and 50/50 balls.


     
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