Re: Jermaine O'Neal vs. Perkins: Celtic playoff stats
posted at 4/25/2011 9:26 AM EDT
In Response to Re: Jermaine O'Neal vs. Perkins: Celtic playoff stats
In Response to Re: Jermaine O'Neal vs. Perkins: Celtic playoff stats : OK... in the early season with little or no practice time shaq made an immediate positive contribution as soon as he started to play... his supposed defensive deficit - (pick and roll) was never an unmanageable issue. His 66% shooting was a boon... his hard fouls in the lane a clear intimidation factor. He was out for injuries a few times and each time he came back, his contribution on the floor was immediate. Even in the five minute game when he re-injured his leg he scored 6 points in the five minutes he played. If his leg heals enough for him to have a little mobility he could certainly make those same contributions again... with little or no time needed to "get up to speed" His play will be limited but he could easily make a substantial positive contribution at 10-15 min a game.... He is willing to take a shot of whatever in his leg to manage the pain... It seems the Celts are holding him out as long as possible because they know he may not have more than a few games before he tears his leg muscle more... and the longer they let it heal, the better chance it has of holding up longer against the strain of game action. The Celts need 12 wins for another banner. If I was calling the shots even if Shaq was able to play today, I would hold him back from playing until the Celts lose 2 games - or until they are in the finals ... whichever comes first. So that is what I think MIGHT be happening. While its true that it also Might be that Shaq's leg just isn't healing enough to give him enough mobility to contribute, there is NO evedence, that I have seen, that that is the case. And I think that given all of the above, and what Shaq has said about his willingness to take a shot ... I think it is very likely that he will give it a try in a game, at some point before the playoffs are done. To put a number on it ... 85% probability... my number - you can argue it up or down, but its based on the facts above, as we know them, not on hope. I hope he does get to try it in a game... , and I hope his leg holds up for a few crucial games. If his leg holds up I'm confident he will make a positive contribution to the Celtics efforts maybe to their 18th championship. SO... when you say " Hate to burst the bubble of some of the guys here. Shaq is not coming back....". I say BS, what do you know that no one else in the Celtics world knows. Your opening phrase...."hate to burst the bubble of some of the guys here..." is obnoxious and condescending (not to mention a contradiction, a lie AND a cliche).. Your first assertion " Shaq is not coming back....". is at best unknowable and in my opinion unlikely...but asserting it as a fact is just dumb. So if you want to avoid "slanging matches" with people you don't know then just learn to curb your condescending BS. And then i'll curb mine. . We agree on at least one thing.... whather or not Shaq comes back, the Celts have a legitimate shot at #18 Go Celts
Posted by videoburns
seriously man. read your post. you are saying IF Shaq is healthy. IF he takes a shot...etc.etc. and call that "based on the facts presented above" really and you are calling me a BS.
as far as my post is concerned this is what i said.
"Shaq is not coming back and even if he is, he is not going to give you anything on the defensive end other than a big body"
so since you seem to know more about writing than me, may be you can re-read this and tell me how this is a sweeping statement. There is a reason for my assertion, because this is how KG's injury played out over the playoffs. so I might have my own thesis for basing my opinion and I never called it a fact. if you think I did, so be it. I will believe my eyes when I see Shaq not just running but contributing.
I would like where this Shaq taking a shot story is coming from. I have not heard it anywhere is CSN or other blogs. I don't know if this is an injury where taking a shot can help you at all. If he can take a shot and play, the Celtics/ Shaq would have done that (my opinion). I am no doctor, from what i read from news articles. Dr Mckeon has clearly said and I am not BSing here "that muscle area has very little blood flow and only treatment is time" and i am paraphrasing.
so I am not sure what kind of evidence you need to make up your mind, which is fine you have your facts and opinion. I take a doctor's word as a fact. Celtics might not want to tip their hand and they are indeed hoping Shaq comes back. So there is big uncertainty. he is the "BIG UNCERTAIN" these days going by the list of names he like to give himself.
as far as pick and roll defense, what happens in regular season for 82 games has no bearing on the playoffs. I am not going to insult you by asking have you watched playoff basketball. But I am pretty sure you know this, what happens in regular season has nothing when it comes to playoffs. if you go and look at the games against legit contenders, Shaq has not been good (save a few games) he was constantly in foul trouble He had "0" points in LA and ineffective against Magic, did not do well against Chicago either. before he got hurt. The problem with numbers such as record with Shaq is they mask a lot more than they reveal. I know Shaq does bring intangibles with respect to intimidation..etc. I am not denying that. But overall you are assuming (maybe you are not) that IF shaq is healthy at 80-85% he could be good enough in the playoffs and that is exactly what I mentioned is the problem. we are not sure even if he is 85% that it will mean he is going to be effective. decreased mobility could be all the difference between a layup and a block or a charge or a blocking call.
Coaches can game plan and game you to death with pick and roll. if you don't believe that as a fact. just watch the game tape of Lakers and Hornets, how CP3 is putting the Lakers big man in disarray. I am sorry, you may hope that Shaq is going to be this great pick and roll guy (which he never was even in his heydays) but I am not counting on it. i would love to be proven wrong, obviously.
Lastly, you practice what you preach. You are as much condescending to me in asking "have you watched the games". Do You think you are the only bright bulb here with basketball knowledge?
I was not taking a personal shot at you. if you want to take a shot at me. that is fine. I can go down that road. If "Hate to burst the bubble" phrase is so obnoxious to you then I can't help it. If you don't want to respond to and you don't like something being said on the board, then move on. I do that all the time. I am not responding to each and every post and I read almost all the posts here, some i agree and some i don't, but I am not trying to be the forum police. Don't be condescending yourself and call someone else condescending, because that would make you a hypocrite.
you seem to be an intelligent poster, who might have mistaken me for other trolls, I would like to put his mini argument behind us and look forward to reading your opinions.
Let us enjoy some playoff basketball!!! Go Celtics