Na,  it is just fun to see you lie and exaggerate to cover for your inadequacies.

So how old are you really? 10, 11, 12?

I think the most amazing thing is that you are the first person I have ever run into on line, on this site, or any other, that tries to make crap sound like intelligence.

Do you really get away with this approach in real life?

While Duncan has more championships, he has usually been on much better teams than KG. In the following post, I make the case that if both had been on equal quality teams, their is a strong likely hood that both would be considered on the same level, and that it is possible that KG may have been more highly regarded.

Both Players are 34 years old. KG has been in the league for 15 years and Duncan for 13 years.

 

1. In the years that KG competed as his teams primary scoring threat, KG’s numbers are better than Duncan’s numbers (These are the years before he joined the Celtics The article listed in reference "1" was written just after KG joined the Celtics.) ^(1,2)
This approach makes sense because when KG joined the Celtics in 2007 his role changed. His team no longer needed him to be the primary scorer. Instead the team needed him to lead by example. By sharing the ball selflessly, and letting the other stars do what they do well, everyone bought into team play. KG also helped create a defensive culture. By focusing on defense and holding everyone accountable, the Celtics became a defensive force. At this stage of his career, statistics are not important to KG, only wins.

 

2. In head to head competition when KG played directly against Duncan, KG’s numbers are better. ⁽³⁾

3. Number of All-star starts KG 11, Duncan 11. ⁽²⁾

4. Number of All-star appearances KG 13, Duncan 12. ⁽²⁾

5. Their Career field goal percentage is very similar with Duncan  at .508 and KG at .498. ⁽²⁾

6. KG has 2 rebounding titles and 5 defensive rebounding titles, Duncan has 1 rebounding title and 1 defensive rebounding title. ⁽²⁾

7. Both KG and Duncan have earned defensive first team all-NBA 9 times, but KG is the only one to be named Defensive player of the year. ⁽²⁾

8. KG is more versatile than Duncan. While Duncan has played Power forward, Center and small forward, KG has played positions one through five effectively and has guarded positions one through five effectively. (4, 5, 6, 7)  KG's abilty to guard almost anyone allows him to act like a middle line backer on defense, improving the Celtic Defense.

9. KG has been first team All NBA 4 times, and Duncan has been first team All-NBA 9 times. ⁽²⁾ This accolade is one that is likely decided by a championship when the skills between two players are similar. The amazing thing is that KG won the honor 3 times without a championship and once with a championship. ⁽²⁾

10. While it is true that Duncan’s Spurs have won 4 championships, and the Wolves have not won a championship, the only team of any quality that KG was on, had the best record in the NBA that year, and went to the western conference finals. They faltered when both the starting point guard and the back up point guard went down with injuries. ⁽²⁾

11. Duncan has two league MVPs and KG has one. ⁽²⁾

 

No single player wins a championship. Neither Wilt nor Jordan could do it. Certainly neither could Duncan or KG.

Basketball is inherently a team sport and players require a very good team to break through. For two of the Duncan’s Spurs Championship teams, he had the services of David Robinson, also a former league MVP and defensive player of the year. Tony Parker - three time all-star and finals MVP, Ginobili - one time all star, and Bruce Bowen - perennial 1^stteam defensive all-NBA player were on the final three teams. The final championship Spurs team included, two-time all-star Michael Findley as well. ⁽²⁾

 

The playing field has finally been leveled now that both Duncan and KG are on great teams. The current score with both players on great teams is:
 
The Celtics with KG -1 championship, and the Spurs with Duncan - zero championships.

 

Lets hope KG recovers soon to help the Celtics challenge for number 18.

 

(1) http://obeese.wordpress.com/2007/12/22/kevin-garnett-vs-tim-duncan-the-great-debate/       Written in the fall of 2007

 

(2) www.basketball-reference.com/">www.basketball-reference.com/">www.basketball-reference.com/">http://www.basketball-reference.com/

(3) http://hubpages.com/hub/Garnett-vs-Duncan

4) The NY Times: www.nytimes.com/2004/05/30/sports/pro-basketball-timberwolves-get-garnett-s-point-to-survive.html">www.nytimes.com/2004/05/30/sports/pro-basketball-timberwolves-get-garnett-s-point-to-survive.html">www.nytimes.com/2004/05/30/sports/pro-basketball-timberwolves-get-garnett-s-point-to-survive.html">http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/30/sports/pro-basketball-timberwolves-get-garnett-s-point-to-survive.html

(5) From www.funtrivia.com/en/subtopics/NBA-All-Star-2003-130622.html">www.funtrivia.com/en/subtopics/NBA-All-Star-2003-130622.html">www.funtrivia.com/en/subtopics/NBA-All-Star-2003-130622.html">http://www.funtrivia.com/en/subtopics/NBA-All-Star-2003-130622.html
 
(6) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Garnett

(7) www.jockbio.com/Bios/Garnett/Garnett_bio.html">www.jockbio.com/Bios/Garnett/Garnett_bio.html" />www.jockbio.com/">http://www.jockbio.com

Thanks for the input guys.

Here are some points to ponder.

This is a thread about how things might have been different if the two best "power forwards" of their generation had been placed in opposite circumstances. While it is impossible to come to a definitive conclusion, there is evidence for more than one point of view.

Yes, Duncan was the MVP of all of the Spurs finals except one. Parker was also a finals MVP. Certainly comparing finals MVP's makes little sense in this comparision because this is a "what if" their team situation had been reversed thread.

KG was never in a finals except after he left the Wolves, and in 2008 the finals MVP could have easily gone to Allen or KG instead of Pierce.Yes, we all know that the Spurs went to the finals and won four times, and Duncan has four rings, and three finals MVP's

Duncan's offensive game was better than KG's?

The  evidence shows that that is not necessarily true. KG's numbers were better than Duncan's before he joined the Celtics, and took on a different role. The article referenced as #1 clearly shows this. Furthermore, his better scoring numbers occurred with very similar field goal percentages. Some years, Duncan was better than KG, and some years, KG was better than Duncan. Surprisingly, Duncan's field goal percentage was higher in 2004, KG's MVP year. 

Also, before KG joined the Celics, more of his scoring came from post play. His style, however, was more like Olajuwon's than Duncan's, but it really does not matter. If KG scored more points, with approximately the same field goal percentage why should it?

Year	Team	KG	Duncan
97-98	Wolves	.491	.549
98-99	Wolves	.460	.495
99-00	Wolves	.497	.490
00-01	Wolves	.477	.499
01-02	Wolves	.470	.508
02-03	Wolves	.502	.513
03-04	Wolves	.499	.501
04-05	Wolves	.502	.496
05-06	Wolves	.526	.484
06-07	Wolves	.476	.546
07-08	Celtics	.539	.497
08-09	Celtics	.531	.504
09-10	Celtics	.521	.518
10-11	Celtics	.539	.496

data from basketballreference.com

Career field Goal percentage is -
KG         0.498
Duncan  0.508

KG rebounding, assists, and defense exceeds Duncan's output.

Now that both players are on great teams, it is the Celtics 1 and the Spurs zero.

Junior High

I guess these must be pretty strong arguments to support the original theme, if you are unable to provide serious evidence for the other side.

Shouting it down, popular opinion, and exaggeration don't work.

Please prove my point by continuing your tactics.

In Response to Re: KG vs Duncan - How would they compare if both had been on great teams for thier entire careers?:

"I'm with P34.   Gentlemen, on one side you have actually history and facts (Duncan's MVP's, championships, playoff stats, full career stats - especially early career stats).  On the other hand, you have the "speculation" of what might have happened IF KG were on the Spurs and Duncan was on the Wolves.  Maybe the speculations are right but we'll never really KNOW.  All we KNOW is what the actual facts say which is that over their careers, especially when you look at the impact of the first 4 or so years to their totals, Duncan is the more accomplished and better player."

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Your right bozo,

evidence does not count for you. All that natters is flash and emotion.

Change the arguement, who cares, after so many posts, only you and I are reading this stuff.

No matter what you say or how you say it it has very little to do with the original premise.  Some will read these statements and know who you are. Others don't care.

My point has been made.

Thank you

In Response to Re: KG vs Duncan - How would they compare if both had been on great teams for thier entire careers?:

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I vote for KG

In Response to Re: KG vs Duncan - How would they compare if both had been on great teams for thier entire careers?:

REALLY?