Kobe gets away with Murder!

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    I have been a huge Celtics fan since the Bill Russell days but I've been a human being longer than that.  What I am about to post has nothing to do with the Lakers, the Celtics or even basketball for that matter.  What Kobe Bryant said, heat of competition or otherwise, was inexcusable.  It is particularly unacceptable for somone who benefits from the public profile that excellence in his chosen profession brings to him.  And I would say the same thing about Kevin Garnett had he uttered that epithet. 

    And for the record, I have played organized basketball at every level except the pros and have uttered more than my share of F-bombs.  Kobe Bryant was way out of line and no rationalization of any kind can mitigate it.
     
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    [QUOTE]yea...Lakers are a team that moved from another venue....Celts are an original with 100% history in one location...that's the difference between the yellow belly Laker fans and us true green Celts!  Lets do an Irish Jig on Kobe's head! 
    Posted by Tabuckiss[/QUOTE]
    hahaha definitely enjoyed this :-P
     
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    Now that's THE TRUTH, ATJ...I've been playing pick up ball for the past 17 years with pretty much the same dudes...and never once have we went there! 

    TALK ABOUT NO CLASS!  He's so smug and really does not know what an idiot and how ugly he is when he makes that stupid extension of his jaw when he gets fired up!  NO CLASS! 
     
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    [QUOTE]Now, as long as it's an educational debate it doesn't bother me. But why are there so many Laker fans posting on this all the time? It's like every discussion has a few of you nay-saying and just being obnoxious. Go on your own discussions, not here!
    Posted by NaturesCamo[/QUOTE]
    How would you know what happens "all the time"? You just joined the board this afternoon.

    I know, I know.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Kobe gets away with Murder! : How would you know what happens "all the time"? You just joined the board this afternoon. I know, I know.
    Posted by FlobusMcNugget[/QUOTE]
    That doesn't mean I haven't been reading these discussions for months. Gimme a break.
     
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    Kobe, Kobe. Kobe, Kobe....MVP, MVP, MVP.... remember he was
    in the heat of the moment. Some people can do no wrong, well
    Kobe Bryant did again....lol.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Kobe gets away with Murder! : That doesn't mean I haven't been reading these discussions for months. Gimme a break.
    Posted by NaturesCamo[/QUOTE]
    I was just figuring you were just an old user with a new account. Happens all the time around here. No biggie.
     
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    [QUOTE]tony....get off this post if you can't take the heat in this kitchen...you don't deal with the reality of the situation--I've got more bball sense than you and your 10 illigitament kids have combined! ...You aint getting 17 this year or any other year....We will always be ahead of your stinky organization!  Remember when you hero Kobe wanted out of LA?  Now that's honor!  Paul Pierce ever want out?  Don't think so!!!! 
    Posted by Tabuckiss[/QUOTE]
    Like I said, you don't have one legit excuse why the Lakers won't get banner #17.  Basically I'm saying you've got nothing, just like your bball game.  Keep on hating because we're driving for Banner #17 which will tie your one time championship winning team in the last 25 years.  Your boys look old this year with china doll West, grampa Shaq, wheelchair Pierce, Jermaine "I play 5 games a year" ONeal. 
     
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    [QUOTE]Why does the league protect this Black Mamba?  All he does is get away with porking chicks in hotels, getting away with blatent offensive fouls by pushing off to get some room cause he's got no lift anymore, and now he offends the gay community...not to speak about his disrespect to the game/ref....why didn't the ref give him a T for that outburst...he would not have played last night and we would have the same record as them!  What CRAP! 
    Posted by Tabuckiss[/QUOTE]

    You know why? Because were trying to trash a guy for something he said in the heat of the moment.

    None of us like the guy as a player we hate him but don't try to crucify over something as little as this. 

    When Kobe is murdering people and doing drugs then lets get together and sell him as a bum but for now the guy gets nothing but my respect. 

     
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    I am a Boston Celtics Fan for life.   But I think Kobe has been cool this year.  I appreciated the way he stuck up for KG when everyone was trying to punk him this year for being over the top with his antics.   I respect every person no matter if you beleive or identify yourself as yellow pink, black , white, brown, gay, straight whatever.  However , with that said, I think it is disgusting how much our free speech is not protected especially if you happen to insult the gay community.   It is the mortal sin of all mortal sins recently and it shoudln't be.  People can curse about God all day long and no body give s rats Beep about it.  And there is the rub and the double standard.  Curse God and promote porn to kids and you are a hero and free speech saves you.   If you curse out and insult Christians, they praise you but God forbid you say something to someone and offend the gay community for your own religious beleifs or for a curse word that really in most cases doesn't refer to them in the heat of the molment, they want blood.   I wish the Christians demanded the same protection.   It is ridiculous.   Go Celtics!!!
     
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    Big, the world has changed and will continue to change.

    The son of a a very good friend of mine, has come out of the closet and will probably get married this year. It is time to join the twenty first century. It is time to ask your self if being christian requires an anti gay stance. Having gone to a very christian college with two years of required bible study, I have to tell you that your decision is a very personal one. It is time to move on.

    My least favorite player in the NBA is Kobe, for many reasons.

     
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    Question: How much would Kobe Bryant be fined if he released a cover version of Dire Straits song "Money For Nothing"? Which used the word that people seem to be going on about at this time. It went to number on in the United States, number 4 in the UK and won a grammy (for what that's worth) for Best Rock Performance. If Bryant covered that he'd possibly be up for a fine into the Ten's of Millions of dollars. Based on his one comment made the other day.

    Not his greatest fan, but he apologised and did the "right" things. I'm sure he's not the only one who sworn like that on the court and won't be the last. Garnett was seen to be saying the same thing in 2008.

    Words mean different things to different people. If Adams was really offended by Bryant he could have called Bryant a number of choice words himself. Not that two wrongs make a right.

    I don't know. Part of me feels so much wrong with our society is political correctness gone mad.








     
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    Political correctness gone mad?  I guess I would ask if that would be your assessment if a white player called Kobe Bryant a F____ N____? 

    Seems to me there's no difference between the two:  they are both equally contemptable and unacceptable in the world in which we live.

     
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    Same as if he called that one female referee a F___B___.

    I can forgive a player if it REALLY is an isolated slip in a moment of passion.  But with Kobe it seems anything but isolated, especially in light of that tantrum he threw while filming that Sprite commercial, which was previously detailed in this thread.  I'm glad he apologized, but he pretty much had to.  Once the camera's on you and it's public, what other choice do you have?

     

     
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    [QUOTE]Political correctness gone mad?  I guess I would ask if that would be your assessment if a white player called Kobe Bryant a F____ N____?  Seems to me there's no difference between the two:  they are both equally contemptable and unacceptable in the world in which we live.
    Posted by ATJ[/QUOTE]

    You raise a point that I was thinking about. What was acceptable to say 20 or 40 years ago is not really acceptable now. However "Money For Nothing" is still played on Radio today.

     
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    But usually with the offending verse censored out, as it was even in '85!
     
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    [QUOTE]Same as if he called that one female referee a F___B___. I can forgive a player if it REALLY is an isolated slip in a moment of passion.  But with Kobe it seems anything but isolated, especially in light of that tantrum he threw while filming that Sprite commercial, which was previously detailed in this thread.  I'm glad he apologized, but he pretty much had to.  Once the camera's on you and it's public, what other choice do you have?  
    Posted by MsLithium21[/QUOTE]
    You heard the Sprite story from one anonymous poster on a message board and all of a sudden it is canon? Have you heard it anywhere else?
     
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    I didn't say it was "canon."  But I believe it.  It fits with everything else I understand about Kobe, so it's reasonable.  I could be wrong, as could you.

     
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    [QUOTE]I didn't say it was "canon."  But I believe it.  It fits with everything else I understand about Kobe, so it's reasonable.  I could be wrong, as could you.
    Posted by MsLithium21[/QUOTE]
    True. But you seemed to be coming to a conclusion on Kobe based on that one unsubstantiated post ("it seems anything but isolated, especially in light of that tantrum he threw while filming that Sprite commercial"). 

    That said, I don't certainly don't condone what Kobe said. But I don't believe he is a hate-filled person either.
     
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    Murder?

    No

    Flagrant fouls? yes

    Injuring Perk in game six of the finals? yes
     
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    In response to Flobus:

    Well, pretty much everyone on this board comes to their own conclusion about hot-button players, even though none of us were witnesses or flies on the wall.

    Some people here call Kobe a rapist, while others say his accuser was a woman scorned - all with equal certainty of conviction.

    Many people - including many Celtics fans - are absolutely sure that KG is a trash-talker when they're not in the games themselves to hear them.  How do we know Charlie Villanueva and Joakim Noah were not just speaking from the frustration of having to play him?  We don't.  We don't know either way.

    We can be absolutely neutral about things we don't know for sure, which is fine, or we can draw conclusions and decide what to believe based on what we already know and believe.  As long as we have the humility to say we don't know for absolute sure, then that's cool too.

    Although I don't know the poster - named Clearly - and the whole thing could be an imaginative story, I for now believe it.

    That doesn't mean I think Kobe is a hateful person.  I don't.  At least I want to believe he's not because he's raising two little girls.

    But I do think he's immature, self-centered and disrespectful.  And that's because there's been a pattern over the past 8 years to indicate it:

    Summer 2003 - He either rapes a desk clerk in Colorado, or at the very least cheats on his wife with her.

    Fall 2003 - Publicly calls out Shaq for being "fat and overweight" coming into training camp, rather than handling it privately.  This eventually forced a choice between Kobe and Shaq on the Lakers front office, breaking up the best 1-2 punch at the time.

    2007 - Publicly demands a trade, accusing the Lakers of all franchises of not surrounding him with championship-caliber talent.

    2009 - Housekeeper accuses him and his wife of severely abusive behavior, such as making her dig through feces for a pricetag.  Interestingly, most of this was put on his wife, but he did nothing to intervene.

    2011 - Gets a technical for arguing about a call that didn't go his way, then calls the ref a F___F___.

    Yes, I realize I don't know the whole story on any of this.  None of us does.  It is entirely possible that Kobe is a victim of one person after another jealous of his success and wanting a piece of him in some way. 

    But with so many allegations of such diversity, you have to start wondering about his character.  Especially when he's done most of this without apology and only seems to apologize when he's 100% proven to have done something wrong - i.e. cheat on his wife and use an anti-gay slur on a ref.

    Do I realize all these things go on all the time in professional sports?  Yes.  Am I willing to forgive it in players, even those not wearing Celtic green?  Yes, of course!  But the apologies need to be sincere and I'm just not sensing that with Kobe.

    So when I hear more stories that seem to fit the picture he already presents, I tend to believe them. 

    Hope that clarifies my position a little better.  Peace.

     
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    [QUOTE]In response to Flobus: Well, pretty much everyone on this board comes to their own conclusion about hot-button players, even though none of us were witnesses or flies on the wall. Some people here call Kobe a rapist, while others say his accuser was a woman scorned - all with equal certainty of conviction. Many people - including many Celtics fans - are absolutely sure that KG is a trash-talker when they're not in the games themselves to hear them.  How do we know Charlie Villanueva and Joakim Noah were not just speaking from the frustration of having to play him?  We don't.  We don't know either way. We can be absolutely neutral about things we don't know for sure, which is fine, or we can draw conclusions and decide what to believe based on what we already know and believe.  As long as we have the humility to say we don't know for absolute sure, then that's cool too. Although I don't know the poster - named Clearly - and the whole thing could be an imaginative story, I for now believe it. That doesn't mean I think Kobe is a hateful person.  I don't.  At least I want to believe he's not because he's raising two little girls. But I do think he's immature, self-centered and disrespectful.  And that's because there's been a pattern over the past 8 years to indicate it: Summer 2003 - He either rapes a desk clerk in Colorado, or at the very least cheats on his wife with her. Fall 2003 - Publicly calls out Shaq for being "fat and overweight" coming into training camp, rather than handling it privately.  This eventually forced a choice between Kobe and Shaq on the Lakers front office, breaking up the best 1-2 punch at the time. 2007 - Publicly demands a trade, accusing the Lakers of all franchises of not surrounding him with championship-caliber talent. 2009 - Housekeeper accuses him and his wife of severely abusive behavior, such as making her dig through feces for a pricetag.  Interestingly, most of this was put on his wife, but he did nothing to intervene. 2011 - Gets a technical for arguing about a call that didn't go his way, then calls the ref a F___F___. Yes, I realize I don't know the whole story on any of this.  None of us does.  It is entirely possible that Kobe is a victim of one person after another jealous of his success and wanting a piece of him in some way.  But with so many allegations of such diversity, you have to start wondering about his character.  Especially when he's done most of this without apology and only seems to apologize when he's 100% proven to have done something wrong - i.e. cheat on his wife and use an anti-gay slur on a ref. Do I realize all these things go on all the time in professional sports?  Yes.  Am I willing to forgive it in players, even those not wearing Celtic green?  Yes, of course!  But the apologies need to be sincere and I'm just not sensing that with Kobe. So when I hear more stories that seem to fit the picture he already presents, I tend to believe them.  Hope that clarifies my position a little better.  Peace.
    Posted by MsLithium21[/QUOTE]
    Fair enough. Well said. Thanks for taking the time to respond.
     
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