Chicago were not so bad in 1994.
Basically the Pippen show and they took the eventual Eastern Conference champions The Knicks to a game seven.
Considering they'd lost the best player in the game it was a huge achievement. Winning game 6 also allowed the Bulls to farewell Chicago Stadium with a win.
When you consider what the team achieved in 1994, the Bulls were not necessarily a one man team. Perhaps a one man team when it came to enable them to be a championship level side. But still an elite side. Pippen was a beast back then.
Kobe is no MJ
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Re: Kobe is no MJ
posted at 5/17/2012 6:11 AM EDT
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Re: Kobe is no MJ
posted at 5/17/2012 8:37 AM EDT
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You remember how well pippin played by himself after jordan left right? He vanished and tony kukoc had to take all the big shots. -
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posted at 5/17/2012 8:51 AM EDT
- Skins and Heart
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Take Pippen out the team and they don't get to game 7 against the Knicks.
I remember something about Pippen having a tantrum because Phil Jackson designed a play where Kukoc was getting the final shot of the game. Pretty sure it was game 3. Pippen sat. Bulls win and series at 2-1 in favour of the Knicks.
Not sure how many other games that season where Kukoc took the last shot.
1994 MVP voting.Player (Team) 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th Total May 24, 1994 (10) (7) (5) (3) (1) Points Hakeem Olajuwon (HOU) 66 28 6 1 0 889 David Robinson (SA) 24 57 17 2 0 730 Scottie Pippen (CHI) 7 9 37 18 18 390 Shaquille O'Neal (ORL) 3 3 21 36 25 289 Patrick Ewing (NYK) 1 3 19 34 27 255
Also in 1994. All NBA First Team (1st appearnce), All NBA Defensive First Team,
All Star MVP.
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Re: Kobe is no MJ
posted at 5/17/2012 9:19 AM EDT
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In Response to Re: Kobe is no MJ:Take Pippen out the team and they don't get to game 7 against the Knicks. I remember something about Pippen having a tantrum because Phil Jackson designed a play where Kukoc was getting the final shot of the game. Pretty sure it was game 3. Pippen sat. Bulls win and series at 2-1 in favour of the Knicks. Not sure how many other games that season where Kukoc took the last shot. 1994 MVP voting. Player (Team) 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th Total May 24, 1994 (10) (7) (5) (3) (1) Points Hakeem Olajuwon (HOU) 66 28 6 1 0 889 David Robinson (SA) 24 57 17 2 0 730 Scottie Pippen (CHI) 7 9 37 18 18 390 Shaquille O'Neal (ORL) 3 3 21 36 25 289 Patrick Ewing (NYK) 1 3 19 34 27 255 Also in 1994. All NBA First Team (1st appearnce), All NBA Defensive First Team, All Star MVP. 1994 was arguably Pippens best year as an individual in the NBA.
Posted by Skins and HeartAnd he also led the team in all 5 major statistical categories. -
Re: Kobe is no MJ
posted at 5/17/2012 9:44 AM EDT
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He is not MJ, Kobe was ill, did not fight hard enough. 1997 game 5 finals, 103 degree flu. Like an injured animal he was more fierce. MJ had 38pts, 7 reb, 5 ast. 3 stls and 1 block. MJ is on another planet and people like to make the comparisons. MJ was a beast on the court, he had no mercy attitude. -
Re: Kobe is no MJ
posted at 5/17/2012 9:46 AM EDT
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In Response to Re: Kobe is no MJ:In Response to Re: Kobe is no MJ : And he also led the team in all 5 major statistical categories.
Posted by Fields4
To me in my OPINION, the BEST ALL AROUND small forward of ALL TIME. KEY WORDS ALL AROUND dont freak out my BIRD fans. -
Re: Kobe is no MJ
posted at 5/17/2012 9:47 AM EDT
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In Response to Re: Kobe is no MJ:In Response to Re: Kobe is no MJ : [QUOTE]In Response to Kobe is no MJ : Concur. KoMe will go out in the manner he is accustomed: selfish, aloof from teammates, critical of teammates, and one of the greatest whiners of all time (he may not lead in this category but is close to number 1). As Always, Posted by JamLock[/ And you think Jordan is perfect? http://thehoopdoctors.com/online2/2011/01/michael-jordan-thinks-women-faint-in-his-presence/
Posted by dirty52
Never said MJ was perfect, but as a baller he was one of the greatest winners of all time. Of course, even he's not Bill Russell, but no one is!
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Re: Kobe is no MJ
posted at 5/17/2012 9:49 AM EDT
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In Response to Re: Kobe is no MJ:In Response to Re: Kobe is no MJ : Sorry Duke I have to disagree Kobe had just as much to do with the first three championships as Shaq some stats http://www.lakersuniverse.com/seasons/2000_2001_playoff_stats.htm Who do you think carried them when Shaq on the bench due to poor foul shooting?
Posted by dirty52
Snicker, grin, hahaha!
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Re: Kobe is no MJ
posted at 5/17/2012 10:16 AM EDT
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You know I am sorry I didnt clarify myself. When i talked about the best all around small forward. I was speaking of PIP#33 for da bulls. -
Re: Kobe is no MJ
posted at 5/17/2012 10:22 AM EDT
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In Response to Re: Kobe is no MJ:MJ was no MJ towards the end of his career either.
Posted by FlobusMcNugget
By then MJ was 39, he came to the Wizards and MSG he scored 55 do you remember that and as not MJ caliber anymore. He still made it on the ALL STAR game. Bryant is only 33 and will be 34 in AUGUST. I made my point he is still 6 years younger wounding down or just not the greatest leader. My answer is not a great leader he just doesnt have that FIRE. -
Re: Kobe is no MJ
posted at 5/17/2012 10:24 AM EDT
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In Response to Re: Kobe is no MJ:In Response to Re: Kobe is no MJ : Adding Jordan didn't make Chicago a playoff team. In Jordan's first 3 seasons they finished under .500 every season. It wasn't until his 4th season when Pippen joined him that Chicago finished over .500.
Posted by Mark from Ct
In addition to this comment ( I call timeout, by the way, on my response to trolls, as this happened a long time ago), Mark from Ct said, "The NBA does NOT schedule back-to-back games in the playoffs."
Apparently, Mark from Ct didn't get the memo that BOTH LA teams have back to backs THIS weekend. The lakers play OKC on Fri and Sat, while the Clips host SA on SAT and Sun.
(Edit - he also said Ramon Sessions would "easily" average 13 points and 10 assists as a laker - last night - 24 mins, 2 points - ZERO assists!!!Mark from CT has hit the trifecta!!!!)
Man, I'm tired of being right!!
We now return to our regularly scheduled self-imposed ignoring of all things troll!! -
Re: Kobe is no MJ
posted at 5/17/2012 10:50 AM EDT
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In Response to Re: Kobe is no MJ:In Response to Re: Kobe is no MJ : In addition to this comment ( I call timeout, by the way, on my response to trolls, as this happened a long time ago), Mark from Ct said, "The NBA does NOT schedule back-to-back games in the playoffs." Apparently, Mark from Ct didn't get the memo that BOTH LA teams have back to backs THIS weekend. The lakers play OKC on Fri and Sat, while the Clips host SA on SAT and Sun. (Edit - he also said Ramon Sessions would "easily" average 13 points and 10 assists as a laker - last night - 24 mins, 2 points - ZERO assists!!!Mark from CT has hit the trifecta!!!!) Man, I'm tired of being right!! We now return to our regularly scheduled self-imposed ignoring of all things troll!!
Posted by hedleylamarrBy the way, are there any back-to-back games in the conference finals?Anyone? -
Re: Kobe is no MJ
posted at 5/17/2012 11:00 AM EDT
- ojmega
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In Response to Re: Kobe is no MJ:You guys are wrong. Kobe is in the same discussion with MJ: he has five rings, for god's sake. Forget this personality. He has FIVE rings! He's an awesome player and has been for a long time. Now, as an old guy: none of these guys measure up to Bill Russell, who has his well known 11 rings. But tell me, why doesn't anyone ever mention Sam Jones, who has 10 rings?
Posted by tjwoods
RINGS doesnt make a player great. Because tell me that ROBERT HORRY just was in the right place at the right time. 2 with the ROCKETS, 3 with the LAKERS and 2 with the SPURS. HE played with OLAJUWON, SHAQ and KOBE and then with DUNCAN. Come on did anyone have that kind of travel to certain teams and be so blessed. Some players have traveled to more than 8 and not even get into the finals. -
Re: Kobe is no MJ
posted at 5/17/2012 12:25 PM EDT
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In Response to Re: Kobe is no MJ:Kobe may have 5 titles but Shaq was the man for the first 3 and Pau was really the man the year they beat us........MJ was THE MAN period!!!!....each and every year.....that is the difference between the two....
Posted by Duke4Disagree. MJ had Pippen. Before he had Pippen, his team went nowhere. Since the Bulls drafted Pippen, Bulls went on to win 6 titles. Pippen was the team best defender. He did all the dirty work on the defense part while MJ did all the dirty work on the offense part which made him to look a better player in NBA!! -
Re: Kobe is no MJ
posted at 5/17/2012 12:37 PM EDT
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In Response to Re: Kobe is no MJ:In Response to Re: Kobe is no MJ : Disagree. MJ had Pippen. Before he had Pippen, his team went nowhere. Since the Bulls drafted Pippen, Bulls went on to win 6 titles. Pippen was the team best defender. He did all the dirty work on the defense part while MJ did all the dirty work on the offense part which made him to look a better player in NBA!!
Posted by GoUconn13
They were both great players and needed each other to win. We will never know and Pippen also people forget. That in the draft when they called his name no one knew who he was. MJ put him under his wing and created PIP. PIP TOOK ADVANTAGE of the attention MJ was getting from the other teams. NOT like the conspiracies SUPERSTARS do today. -
Re: Kobe is no MJ
posted at 5/17/2012 12:47 PM EDT
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Kobe no MJ but he's second best shooting guard of all time IMO. Believe he is better than West.But, I would ask why bury him now? If for some reason the Lakers come back the person who started this thread will feel pretty foolish..."You remember how well pippin played by himself after jordan left right? He vanished and tony kukoc had to take all the big shots."Umm, no. you got that very wrong. You are remembering one moment, albait a bad moment for Pippen. If not for one of the most infamous bad calls in NBA history, Pippen advances to finals without Jordan. A significant accomplishment. Does not diminish Jordan either. No superstar has won it all on their own, or at least it's very rare. -
Re: Kobe is no MJ
posted at 5/17/2012 6:57 PM EDT
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In Response to Re: Kobe is no MJ:
Wow, so many wrong informations in this thread it is not even funny.In Response to Re: Kobe is no MJ : Adding Jordan didn't make Chicago a playoff team. In Jordan's first 3 seasons they finished under .500 every season. It wasn't until his 4th season when Pippen joined him that Chicago finished over .500.
Posted by Mark from CtThe Bull were 7th in the east in Jordans first year (with a record of .463) but were 10th (.329) the year before. Jordan was injured in almost the entire second year, save for 18 games, and the bulls record was .366.
Remember, MJ retired for 18mo while the rest of the team was in peak shape. Pippen had a chance to prove he was a franchise player. I had to laugh when people said he was the 2nd best player in the world. As I recall, tony kukoc had to become the go to guy. ... My point being, that team was a .500 team without MJ. MJ was just that good.
Posted by cole-ely
Chicago lost its best player (and one of the best of all time) and replaced him with...do you have an idea with whom? The bulls still won 55 games without Jordan and maybe some more if Pippen wasn't injured. Not excatly .500! Pippen led his team in ALL important categories (like a typical Robin). Actually they made it almost to the conference finals (game 7 in the second round), that was more than Jordan ever reached without Pippen. Maybe Pippen wasn't the second best player in the league (that would have been Hakeem IMO), but he was clearly a great player. -
Re: Kobe is no MJ
posted at 5/19/2012 6:42 AM EDT
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Kobe is no MJ.
MJ is the best player in NBA history.
Russell is no MJ, MJ is #1, Russell is not.
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Re: Kobe is no MJ
posted at 5/19/2012 7:18 AM EDT
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Don't believe me?
ESPN Athlete of the Century:
1. Jordan, 13. Wilt, 17. Magic, 18 Russell
http://espn.go.com/sportscentury/athletes.html
AP basketball player of the century:
1. Jordan, 2. Oscar, 3. Wilt, 4. Russell, 5. Magic
http://lubbockonline.com/stories/121199/pro_1211990096.shtml
SLAM Magazine Top 50:
1. Jordan, 2. Wilt, 3. Russell
http://www.slamonline.com/online/the-magazine/features/2009/06/the-new-top-50/
Sport Magazine's Greatest Athlete of the Century
1. JordanAP Top 100 Athletes of the 20th Century
http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=272562
2. Jordan, 10. Wilt, 16. Russell
So pray tell, who voted Russell #1 of all time in basketball? And why wasn't he even though he almost doubled Jordan's # of rings?
Simple, rings in the Jurassic era weren't worth much...
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Re: Kobe is no MJ
posted at 5/20/2012 10:56 AM EDT
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In Response to Re: Kobe is no MJ:In Response to Re: Kobe is no MJ : Adding Jordan didn't make Chicago a playoff team. In Jordan's first 3 seasons they finished under .500 every season. It wasn't until his 4th season when Pippen joined him that Chicago finished over .500.
Posted by Mark from Ct
Just kind of wondering where this guy is....................the same one who said, "the NBA doesn't schedule playoff games on back to back nights, period." -
Re: Kobe is no MJ
posted at 5/20/2012 11:06 AM EDT
- DaCeltics
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Kobe is the greatest player in NBA history that noone wants to play with!!!
Kobe is a fantastic player, and somewhat unlikable person( back-stabber, egotistical, cheats on wife).
In fairness, he's does a lot of good things too. The bad just stands out.
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Re: Kobe is no MJ
posted at 5/20/2012 11:09 AM EDT
- LloydDobler
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In Response to Re: Kobe is no MJ:Kobe no MJ but he's second best shooting guard of all time IMO. Believe he is better than West. But, I would ask why bury him now? If for some reason the Lakers come back the person who started this thread will feel pretty foolish... " You remember how well pippin played by himself after jordan left right? He vanished and tony kukoc had to take all the big shots." Umm, no. you got that very wrong. You are remembering one moment, albait a bad moment for Pippen. If not for one of the most infamous bad calls in NBA history, Pippen advances to finals without Jordan. A significant accomplishment. Does not diminish Jordan either. No superstar has won it all on their own, or at least it's very rare.
Posted by BostonTrollSpanker
Exactly. To say Kobe is no MJ is no insult. It's like saying U2 is no Beatles. -
Re: Kobe is no MJ
posted at 5/20/2012 1:05 PM EDT
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Everyone seems to know that he is no MJ.....except for Kome himself. -
Re: Kobe is no MJ
posted at 5/20/2012 2:11 PM EDT
- LakerFan67
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Kobe never calls himself the 2nd coming of MJ. And historically, he would get angry with reporters always making those comparisons. This is a different era, different players, different syles. The league has changed the rules to make the NBA more balanced. It introduced the 3-point shot, the killer luxury tax, allowed for zone defense to counteract the dominance of Shaq O'Neal, allows for more hand-checking & flexbility for the refs to influence games by calling even phantom flagrant fouls, & on & on....That's why you have professional flopping, something Kobe detests.
Yes Kobe is no MJ. Bryant stands out on his own for his own accomplishments and he is a competitor with serious flaws. He plays injured, hogs the ball too much that dusrupts the team & makes the game harder than it should be. But without him, the Lakers would not have 5 titles. And if he played for any other franchise, he would get the same accolades & criticism.
So quit comparing apples & oranges. Some of the greatest players in the NBA never won a title or won far fewer titles than Kobe. When he retires and people look back at his career, people will remember his achievements, his exceptional talent. -
Re: Kobe is no MJ
posted at 5/20/2012 2:44 PM EDT
- hedleylamarr
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In Response to Re: Kobe is no MJ:Kobe never calls himself the 2nd coming of MJ. And historically, he would get angry with reporters always making those comparisons. This is a different era, different players, different syles. The league has changed the rules to make the NBA more balanced. It introduced the 3-point shot, the killer luxury tax, allowed for zone defense to counteract the dominance of Shaq O'Neal, allows for more hand-checking & flexbility for the refs to influence games by calling even phantom flagrant fouls, & on & on....That's why you have professional flopping, something Kobe detests. Yes Kobe is no MJ. Bryant stands out on his own for his own accomplishments and he is a competitor with serious flaws. He plays injured, hogs the ball too much that dusrupts the team & makes the game harder than it should be. But without him, the Lakers would not have 5 titles. And if he played for any other franchise, he would get the same accolades & criticism. So quit comparing apples & oranges. Some of the greatest players in the NBA never won a title or won far fewer titles than Kobe. When he retires and people look back at his career, people will remember his achievements, his exceptional talent.
Posted by LakerFan67
Or is cut!!