KRSTIC OR SHAQ TO START?

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    KRSTIC OR SHAQ TO START?

    thought it was a given shaq gets to start. figure it may help his feet and so on if he werent on the bench and so forth. plus he was so efficient with that starting group. but krstic has been a total stud. i would rather have a younger guy in there who is most likely to stay healthy all the way thru. right now i see the o'neals as bonuses. krstic can do it all. he's not a big banger but how many of those are out there to test him other than howard til we reach the finals? 
     
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    Shaq starts and Krstic gives added punch to the subs offense, IMO.  But, I can live with it either way.    I just think Shaq won't be good enough to get his own points and needs Rondo to get him the ball in the right spot.   So, start Shaq playing only with the starters and let Krstic play with the starters some and with the subs some.
     
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    thought it was a given shaq gets to start. figure it may help his feet and so on if he werent on the bench and so forth. plus he was so efficient with that starting group. but krstic has been a total stud. i would rather have a younger guy in there who is most likely to stay healthy all the way thru. right now i see the o'neals as bonuses. krstic can do it all. he's not a big banger but how many of those are out there to test him other than howard til we reach the finals? 
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    was just gonna start a thread about this...I went over this in my head alot...but i think i would start krstic he has been playing good with the first unit...and it would be good for shaq to give the second unit a boost...i dunno but i wouldnt have a problem with shaq starting either...good post
     
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    Id have to go with Shaq... I dont think hed be nearly as effective playing with the second unit.

    Besides, Shaq only gonna play 1/2 the game anyway, so Kristic will get plenty of time with the starters and add some scoring & boards to the 2nd unit
     
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    I DO NOT WHO WILL START THE MATCH, BUT KRSTIC PLAY ALL THE LAST QUARTER
     
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    Shaq starts and Krstic gives added punch to the subs offense, IMO.  But, I can live with it either way.    I just think Shaq won't be good enough to get his own points and needs Rondo to get him the ball in the right spot.   So, start Shaq playing only with the starters and let Krstic play with the starters some and with the subs some.
    Posted by Celtsfan4life


    Thanks for saving me some typing.  You said exactly what i was thinking.  Kristic can get his own plus his rebounding has really impressed me.
     
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    Can you imagine how effective Krystic or Shaq will be on the second unit. Today we hopefully got a glimpse of how things will come together.  Starting either will do.

    Murphy may actually help as well.
     
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    Come playoff time: C - 22-24 mins Shaq, 12-16 mins Kristic and 10-14 mins KG PF - 22-24 mins KG, 14-18 mins Baby, 6-10 mins Green SF - 26-30 mins Pierce, 18-22 mins Green SG - 38 mins Ray, 10 mins Pierce PG - 38 mins Rondo, 10 DWest 9 man rotation A bench of Krstic-Baby-Green-DWest is NASTY If we get 22-24 mins w/ 12-13 points, 7-8 rebounds and a block per from Shaq this postseason I'd be pretty confident we will win the title.
    Posted by rameakap


    I like this. couldn't have put it better myself. slightly more minutes for baby IMO, and I think there's room for JO if (and that's a big IF) healthy. arroyo takes west minutes if he's injured again.

    I think 10 pts and 5 rebs is good enough for shaq, as long as he keeps up his ridiculous efficiency (was shooting nearly 70%)
     
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    C - 22-24 mins Shaq, 12-16 mins Kristic and 10-14 mins KG

    I don't think the Celtics should play Shaquille O'Neal twice as many minutes as Krstic. Present day Shaq doesn't have the athleticism, finish, shooting touch, or even rebounding skills, of Krstic. The new Celtic center has really been a revelation. He's playing phenomenal basketball. He's dominating on the offensive glass, something no one else did for the Celtics this year. I could definitely see him averaging a double-double the rest of the way.

    I'd rather see Krstic play 22-24 minutes and Shaquille O'Neal 12-16 minutes. In shorter spurts, the older O'Neal wouldn't have to pace himself, wouldn't have to worry about committing fouls, and could be used in situations where the Celtics need a wide body to contend with someone like Dwight Howard or Andrew Bynum on the defensive end. If O'Neal can give the Celtics 20 solid minutes, then maybe Krstic could see a little bit of time at power forward to keep Garnett and Davis fresh. But under no circumstance would I want to play Krstic for under 20 minutes a game. He's added multiple dimensions to this team and really makes a difference.

    I think the bigger question isn't Krstic vs. Shaq, but how Jermaine O'Neal fits in once he hopefully returns. Though not much of an offensive player anymore, he's still an excellent rebounder, defender, and shot-blocker. If he can give the team 15 minutes a night, he would be a tremendous asset. Jermaine O'Neal is basically a leaner version of Kendrick Perkins, with slightly better shooting range.

    My ideal playoff minute allotment (adjustable by opponent):

    C: Shaquille O'Neal 18 min., Nenad Krstic 17 min., Jermaine O'Neal 13 min.
    PF: Kevin Garnett 25 min., Glen Davis 20 min., Nenad Krstic 3 min.
    SF: Paul Pierce 30 min., Jeff Green 18 min.
    PG: Rajon Rondo 35 min., Carlos Arroyo 10 min., Delonte West 3 min.
    SG: Ray Allen 30 min., Delonte West 15 min., Jeff Green 3 min.

    Grand Totals:
    1. Rondo, 35 min.
    2. Pierce, 30 min.
    3. Allen, 30 min.
    4. Garnett, 25 min.
    5. Green, 21 min.
    6. Krstic, 20 min.
    7. Davis, 20 min.
    8. West, 18 min.
    9. S. O'Neal, 18 min.
    10. J. O'Neal, 13 min.
    11. Arroyo, 10 min.

    I know an 11-man rotation seems crazy for the playoffs, but the Celtics are an older team, all of these guys can play, and I think it's more important that everyone remain well-rested so that they can go all-out when they're in, rather than exhaust themselves by needlessly shortening the rotation to 9 guys.
     
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    I was also thinking of this prior to logging on. I think I would prefer to see Krstic start. Although Shaq should definately start against Howard or Bynum if we see them.
     
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    It's weird to start a thread about Shaq starting/playing when he can't even get on the floor, but so it goes. 

    As for: "krstic has been a total stud.. krstic can do it all.." Um, no he can't. He can't get a defensive board to save his life and he can't stop his man. The last time he scored 21, his man scored 20. I'm hopeful that he will pick up the defensive schemes, but if he doesn't, he won't have a place with the starting unit when Shaq is back. Is Shaq a great defender? No, but his wide body must be accounted for, he clogs the lane. 

    So for now, assuming Shaq is back, he looks like the starter, with Krstic providing scoring punch to the second unit. Don't get me wrong, I am happy with Krstic on our team, but those who think he has been "phenominal" don't understand that defense wins championships.

     


     
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    C - 22-24 mins Shaq, 12-16 mins Kristic and 10-14 mins KG I don't think the Celtics should play Shaquille O'Neal twice as many minutes as Krstic. Present day Shaq doesn't have the athleticism, finish, shooting touch, or even rebounding skills, of Krstic. The new Celtic center has really been a revelation. He's playing phenomenal basketball. He's dominating on the offensive glass, something no one else did for the Celtics this year. I could definitely see him averaging a double-double the rest of the way. I'd rather see Krstic play 22-24 minutes and Shaquille O'Neal 12-16 minutes. In shorter spurts, the older O'Neal wouldn't have to pace himself, wouldn't have to worry about committing fouls, and could be used in situations where the Celtics need a wide body to contend with someone like Dwight Howard or Andrew Bynum on the defensive end. If O'Neal can give the Celtics 20 solid minutes, then maybe Krstic could see a little bit of time at power forward to keep Garnett and Davis fresh. But under no circumstance would I want to play Krstic for under 20 minutes a game. He's added multiple dimensions to this team and really makes a difference. I think the bigger question isn't Krstic vs. Shaq, but how Jermaine O'Neal fits in once he hopefully returns. Though not much of an offensive player anymore, he's still an excellent rebounder, defender, and shot-blocker. If he can give the team 15 minutes a night, he would be a tremendous asset. Jermaine O'Neal is basically a leaner version of Kendrick Perkins, with slightly better shooting range. My ideal playoff minute allotment (adjustable by opponent): C: Shaquille O'Neal 18 min., Nenad Krstic 17 min., Jermaine O'Neal 13 min. PF: Kevin Garnett 25 min., Glen Davis 20 min., Nenad Krstic 3 min. SF: Paul Pierce 30 min., Jeff Green 18 min. PG: Rajon Rondo 35 min., Carlos Arroyo 10 min., Delonte West 3 min. SG: Ray Allen 30 min., Delonte West 15 min., Jeff Green 3 min. Grand Totals: 1. Rondo, 35 min. 2. Pierce, 30 min. 3. Allen, 30 min. 4. Garnett, 25 min. 5. Green, 21 min. 6. Krstic, 20 min. 7. Davis, 20 min. 8. West, 18 min. 9. S. O'Neal, 18 min. 10. J. O'Neal, 13 min. 11. Arroyo, 10 min. I know an 11-man rotation seems crazy for the playoffs, but the Celtics are an older team, all of these guys can play, and I think it's more important that everyone remain well-rested so that they can go all-out when they're in, rather than exhaust themselves by needlessly shortening the rotation to 9 guys.
    Posted by davidap
    krstic would hold his own versus bynum or howard. at least as good as baby or jo. y? he SMOTHERED bynum for the most part and forced him outside just last year when okc forced lakes to 7 games! u dont bench a guy in the middle of playoffs because one or two matchups. shaq was originally brought here to backup for a reason. doesnt really matter who the diesel plays with. just throw it in and spot up or watch him go up and dunk on someone! quite basic! no way i would even consider playing consider playing kg under 30 minutes. there would be a fight as kg goes after doc. kg shoud play about 30 with pp, ray at 35, rondo at 40, and NENAD at 25! bb should play about 20 (mostly at the 4). green at 20 (mostly at the 3), west at 10 with shaq at 15.  that's your ROTATION. situationally, jo should sneak in for no more than 5 minutes here and there to give up some fouls and play aggressive defense. i also think if murph can keep hustling and showing smarts he did today that he will get some consistent minutes right before the end of the third quarter and to start the fourth (no more than 5)... same with sasha. that boy is the tony allen (with superior height and a better jumper).  i can see him come in specifically for fouls and to cool down a hot winger! may mean melo, AI or a steven jackson or a bron or a wade! thats the uniqueness of this team. arrOyo and avery will definitely be out along with WAFER! west and rondo can run the point. if emergency, pp, ray and even pav can all play some point!
     
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    As well as Krstic is playing I think you start Shaq. My main reason. Intimidation. He still gets the opponents shakin in their sneaks. I like the big man getting them thinking about taking a "shot" at the start of the game.
     
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    I don't really care who starts as long as Krstic gets significant minutes. He's earned them. It's great to see someone this season get several offensive rebounds a game. He's been very impressive thus far.
       Shaq should not play the 2nd of back to backs anymore. Krstic should get the start for sure on these games. Doc said he'd start Shaq when he returns. We'll find out soon enough. It's a good dilemma to be in. I think it's a win/win situation either way.
     
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    you can't have to of the worst free throws shooters rondo & shaq at the same court, and shaq is 39 years old, he doesn't need to start
     
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    The thing that makes Krstic so effective is that Rondo gives him the ball. So he should start.... Shaq can indeed create his own offense. 
     
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    Call me a skeptic.

    Last night's game had as much to do with the Buck's playing the second night of a back to back as anything. Do you remember when we beat the Spurs without KG on a back to back, or the Suns beat the Celtics on a back to back? The jury is still out on Kristic's defense. Most teams focus their offense against him.

    Last night, Bogut got into early foul trouble to add insult to injury. Normally a solid game against a first rate center would bring lots of kudos, however, the back to back, and Bogut's early foul trouble prevent this game from being considered a good test.

    Unfortunately, the first real tests will probably happen in the play-offs.

    I like Krystic's offensive game, and I like his rebounding. We will have to see it Krsitc and the Celtics can withstand the presence of dominant big men.
     
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    Call me a skeptic. Last night's game had as much to do with the Buck's playing the second night of a back to back as anything. Do you remember when we beat the Spurs without KG on a back to back, or the Suns beat the Celtics on a back to back? The jury is still out on Kristic's defense. Most teams focus their offense against him. Last night, Bogut got into early foul trouble to add insult to injury. Normally a solid game against a first rate center would bring lots of kudos, however, the back to back, and Bogut's early foul trouble prevent this game from being considered a good test. Unfortunately, the first real tests will probably happen in the play-offs. I like Krystic's offensive game, and I like his rebounding. We will have to see it Krsitc and the Celtics can withstand the presence of dominant big men.
    Posted by Jump-ball-overtime
    what dominant big men? noah?  whoever the guy in philly is? hansborough? dont you get it... except for howard and sometimes bynum or shaq, there are no dominant offensive pure CENTERS anymore.. NONE! krstic and last night's tomato can (bogus bogut) are as good as they come in the league!
     
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    Shaq plays 18min.  Krstic plays 24min.  KG plays 6 min.  JON's lucky to get off the bench, but plays if somone picks up quick fouls.

    PA

     
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    Shaq plays 18min.  Krstic plays 24min.  KG plays 6 min.  JON's lucky to get off the bench, but plays if somone picks up quick fouls. PA
    Posted by PACelt
    sorry if jo is healthy and playing as he did earlier this year, he will be playing those 6 minutes and even closing out games due to his superior free throw shooting. kg hates playing center! they did it in 07 for they had no alternative. doc has said over and over he would prefer to limit bb's minutes at pf. so if those 3 are healthy they are ur centers! with troy murp/bb and kg at pf. if anything, murph may get the 4th center minutes (along with baby in a pinch)..
     
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