Lakers pull out of Chris Paul talks!!!

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    is it a good idea to trade rondo, who is healthy and signed and still scratching the surface of his ability, for CP3 who is unsigned and has a questionable knee. is he that much better? is he worth that much of a risk? just wondering. maybe because i'm a huge rondo fan. i need convincing... 
    i could really see this happening though. rondo is a better trade chip than eric gordon, i'm sure of that. plus i could see CP3 flat out telling the clippers and warriors to stay away.  
     
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    Stern messed up as you said but if the Lakers walked away from the trade by sending part of their proposed trade to Dallas the Celtics can still get back in it.  The offer they made was accepted by the Hornets and contained nothing but young talent.
     
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    Sorry guys!  DH comes first.  There is no need to trade for CP3 if the Celts can get DH.  Rondo will do very well there with DH.  The Celts can amnesty Turk next year and try to add free agents.
     
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    Sorry guys!  DH comes first.  There is no need to trade for CP3 if the Celts can get DH.  Rondo will do very well there with DH.  The Celts can amnesty Turk next year and try to add free agents.
    Posted by prakash

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    who do we have to offer that is better than bynum/gasol? please explain. and dont say KG, because that would not make any sense. if the magic are interested in a big man for one year only, they would keep DH and let him walk after the season, rather than trading for KG for one year. how would that improve their franchise? just because the numbers work doesnt mean it makes sense for them to do it. 

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    Sorry guys!  DH comes first.  There is no need to trade for CP3 if the Celts can get DH.  Rondo will do very well there with DH.  The Celts can amnesty Turk next year and try to add free agents.
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    Here is my proposal:  KG + Green + 2 1st rounders (maybe another future 1st rounder) for Turk and DH.  The outcome will be as follows:

    1)  Orlando will be pretty pathetic this year and will get into the lottery.  There is a reasonable chance that they will own 3 picks in the deepest draft in years.
    2)  They will be way below the salary cap next year.
    3)  Not sure of what is happening with Mark Gasol.  He can insist on a max type deal or take a 1-year deal.  I doubt if Memphis will give him a max.
    4)  Orlando can tank one year but they can add talent through free agency and with draft picks and start recovering rapidly.  Mark Gasol, DWill are some of the options.
    5)  That seems like a better option than the Andrew Bynum route, who is signed for just one more year than DH.

    This can beat the LA proposal.  Of course, if the Bulls come in with Noah plus package, this will have to be weighed against that.  I stiil like what the Celts can offer as Orlando will need to get into a rebuilding mode.
     
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    who do we have to offer that is better than bynum/gasol? please explain. and dont say KG, because that would not make any sense. if the magic are interested in a big man for one year only, they would keep DH and let him walk after the season, rather than trading for KG for one year. how would that improve their franchise? just because the numbers work doesnt mean it makes sense for them to do it.  In Response to Re: Lakers pull out of Chris Paul talks!!! :
    Posted by artielang


    Bynum and Gasol come with a 72 mil salary hit, why would Orlando want that?
     
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    In Response to Re: Lakers pull out of Chris Paul talks!!! : What is the Clippers best offer? The recently signed DeAndre Jordan (who Paul should want to stay in LA and throw dunks to), The T'Wolves unprotected #1 (obv their most prized asset if they won't include Gordon), Erci Bledsoe and Al-Farouq Aminu? DeAndre Jordan is a worse shooter than Rondo. He is like Rondo as a center... all defense and dunjs lay Rajon is all D, passing and layups. They even have similar contracts...4/40 Jordan, 4/46 Rondo. I don't think Green our two 1st rd picks, Avery and even Johnson can add up to the Minnesota pick, Bledsoe and Aminu But it would be up to Danny, using Rondo and possibly Green in sign and trades... to make the deal work. You can always take back Ariza and save NO some $ that way. Paul gets to play with 2 of his 3 best guys of the past 2 years in West/Ariza... while replacing Okafor with KG and a bunch of crummy role players with Pierce and Ray... not too shaby
    Posted by rameakap

    Dwandre Jordan hasn't signed yet, he's espected to sign a 40 million over 4 years from Golden State so LA could lose him if they don't match it, NOLA alos wants Eric Gordon but the clippers refuse to include Eric Gordon in any deal without commintment that CP3 signs the extension. Without those players our offer should be better. Rondo, Green and JO for Paul, West and The 2012 top ten protected pick would work. That's two established young talent and slary cap relief because JO's contract is up after this year. They can always waive him too. They probably also land a big time player next yea, the draft is going  to be one of the best since 2003.
     
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    In Response to Re: Lakers pull out of Chris Paul talks!!! : Bynum and Gasol come with a 72 mil salary hit, why would Orlando want that?
    Posted by CelticFanLA

    They're packaging Howard with Turkoglu
     
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    Feel bad for Houston, they were all in and really counting on the Laker/Hornet/Rocket trade, they needed this deal.

    No way CP3 would extend his contract with the Celtics, not with all the old players on the team.
     
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    History tells us: C's need to get younger, and now so do the Lakers. History also teaches these two elite franchises will be very good no matter how this all plays out.

    I'd love see Chris Paul in Green and let Rondo dish. I'm salivating.
     
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    1) how would orlando sell their fans on "we'll trade away our best player and tank this year."
    2) they just resigned jason richardson to $25 mil and are keeping rashard lewis. this is a team that is looking to stay in the hunt, not tank.
    3) what does marc gasol have to do with any of this? he's a restricted free agent and memphis has said he's not going anywhere.
    4)look how well the annual lottery teams have done rebuilding through the draft. NBA doesnt work that way anymore.
    5) they extend bynum once they trade for him. no way he doesnt do it with his injury history, plus this is his shot to be a star. 

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    Here is my proposal:  KG + Green + 2 1st rounders (maybe another future 1st rounder) for Turk and DH.  The outcome will be as follows: 1)  Orlando will be pretty pathetic this year and will get into the lottery.  There is a reasonable chance that they will own 3 picks in the deepest draft in years. 2)  They will be way below the salary cap next year. 3)  Not sure of what is happening with Mark Gasol.  He can insist on a max type deal or take a 1-year deal.  I doubt if Memphis will give him a max. 4)  Orlando can tank one year but they can add talent through free agency and with draft picks and start recovering rapidly.  Mark Gasol, DWill are some of the options. 5)  That seems like a better option than the Andrew Bynum route, who is signed for just one more year than DH. This can beat the LA proposal.  Of course, if the Bulls come in with Noah plus package, this will have to be weighed against that.  I stiil like what the Celts can offer as Orlando will need to get into a rebuilding mode.
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    Contenders for Paul: 1) Clippers - If they match Golden State's $40M offer for Jordan they may pull out of the Paul sweepstakes 2) Golden State - If they get Jordan, Paul would be interested, they'd have to part with Curry and Udoh or no dice. 3) Celtics - Could end up that the C's & Hornets are the only options for Paul. If he extends then Rondo, Green, Picks, PTE & Rookies could make it happen along with West. If Danny trades for Paul w/o an extension for a run at another championship then he really is a riverboat gambler.
    Posted by Mployee8

    how don't understand how a PTE would be involved please explain
     
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    1) how would orlando sell their fans on "we'll trade away our best player and tank this year." 2) they just resigned jason richardson to $25 mil and are keeping rashard lewis. this is a team that is looking to stay in the hunt, not tank. 3) what does marc gasol have to do with any of this? he's a restricted free agent and memphis has said he's not going anywhere. 4)look how well the annual lottery teams have done rebuilding through the draft. NBA doesnt work that way anymore. 5) they extend bynum once they trade for him. no way he doesnt do it with his injury history, plus this is his shot to be a star.  In Response to Re: Lakers pull out of Chris Paul talks!!! :
    Posted by artielang


    Quite right!

    Actually I just realized that neither CP3 nor DH are going anywhere.  Both need to be traded before Jan 1 or they stand to lose mucho money.  So, their teams don't need to be in any kind of hurry to trade them.  The suitors will be forced to fill up their cap space (NJ with Nene, Clips/Warriors with Jordan, Celts with West, etc.).  So, unless the trading team gets appropriate value, they can stand pat.  The teams with cap space will be lousy (maybe except the Celts).

    That explains why Orlando has been trying to put together a roster by signing these guys.

    I think that Danny will fill up the roster, keep the draft picks and maintain cap space for next year.  Hello Kwame Brown!
     
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    Contenders for Paul: 1) Clippers - If they match Golden State's $40M offer for Jordan they may pull out of the Paul sweepstakes 2) Golden State - If they get Jordan, Paul would be interested, they'd have to part with Curry and Udoh or no dice. 3) Celtics - Could end up that the C's & Hornets are the only options for Paul. If he extends then Rondo, Green, Picks, PTE & Rookies could make it happen along with West. If Danny trades for Paul w/o an extension for a run at another championship then he really is a riverboat gambler.
    Posted by Mployee8



    It would definitel be a gamble, but his back up plan would be that he's really way below the cap if Paul walks and he took a shot at a championship.  KG, Ray, JON, Shaq, Wallace all come off the books next year so if Paul walks, he can rebuild with FA's.  None as good as Paul, but there will be talent.
     
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    Paul and West to the Celtics could happen, but much as Rondo bubzzes me I have decided I would rather have Rondo than Paul, something about Paul reminds me of Kevin Johnson who was great but never got it done, even when he had a loaded team with Sir Charles with him.   Keep Green and Rondo and David West and go get  Delonte West and use the 3 mill to get a second rate center and we are ready to go go go.
     
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    Paul and West to the Celtics could happen, but much as Rondo bubzzes me I have decided I would rather have Rondo than Paul, something about Paul reminds me of Kevin Johnson who was great but never got it done, even when he had a loaded team with Sir Charles with him.   Keep Green and Rondo and David West and go get  Delonte West and use the 3 mill to get a second rate center and we are ready to go go go.
    Posted by maryngary



    I agree. Also, don't forget Paul ha s a suspect knee.
    I feel the same about Howard, for me he is the category "Malone-like superstar who'll never win a title.
     
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    It looks to me as if the Lakers were mostly interested in obtaining Chris Paul as a means of increasing the likelihood of acquiring Dwight Howard.  As it looks more like that may not happen, the Lakers' interest seems to wane.  It could be a good thing that NBA powerhouses, including our Celtics, are not able to manipulate the system.  The NBA has been losing respectability the last number of seasons and really went backwards during the lockout, maybe it is time for a different structure, a new Commissioner and a different balance.  Parity in the NFL seems to have increased the NFL's respectability. 
     
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    All this makes Howard to Lakers MORE probably.  Orlando can take Gasol or Bynum and lots of LA assets and then move one of them.   They can take Bynum and Gasol, move Gasol to Houston and get some other players to go with Bynum (step into New Orlean's shoes).   I see Billups to Lakers or to Miami at that point. Doesn't matter - if we got Paul and West for Rondo, JON, 2 first round Picks, and whoever else is tradeable, kept PP, Ray, Green, and KG - we can beat ANYBODY.   Just don't see New Orleans doing that deal.
    Posted by Celtsfan4life


    I'm impressed by your optimism.  
     
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    1) how would orlando sell their fans on "we'll trade away our best player and tank this year." 2) they just resigned jason richardson to $25 mil and are keeping rashard lewis. this is a team that is looking to stay in the hunt, not tank. 3) what does marc gasol have to do with any of this? he's a restricted free agent and memphis has said he's not going anywhere. 4)look how well the annual lottery teams have done rebuilding through the draft. NBA doesnt work that way anymore. 5) they extend bynum once they trade for him. no way he doesnt do it with his injury history, plus this is his shot to be a star.  In Response to Re: Lakers pull out of Chris Paul talks!!! :
    Posted by artielang


    They don't have Rashard Lewis, he is on Washington!

    I read on the Orlando Sentinel, many fans are already pushing DH out the door, calling him mini-Shaq- they don't want the drama.

    Many think the franchise will move, anyway!
     
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