Lakers universally acclaimed as the NBA'S greatest franchise

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    [QUOTE]Majic.....I go back to my previous post.....I said that I disagreed with your comment that the NBA was a bush league prior to Bird/Magic......your last post focused on the NBA in 1961.....you mention a league made up of 80% white players.....I am saying that all of that was changing man.....the Celtics were the first team to start an all black lineup....during the almost twenty years from '61/'62 to Bird and Magic, the league was expanding....there was a merger....blacks were taking over the league in numbers...to say the league was bush is a slap in the face to greats like Baylor and West, the Big O, Lew Alcinder, Wes Unseld, Elvin Hayes, Artis Gilmore, and so many others!! I agree with you that the '50's, especially prior to the shot clock was certainly not comparable to the late '60's, let alone today....but to say the modern NBA begins with Bird and Magic....I can't agree with that at all also....you are correct....all the old records have been shattered in track and field....but in team sports....at least in baseball and basketball....I feel that the greats would still be doing it today.....again, just my opinion...
    Posted by Duke4[/QUOTE]

    That's funny, all sports are going forward, better quantifiable records, more participants, better talent pools, more advanced strategies etc. Yet only basketball is going backwards, and why is that?

    The Celtics were the first team to start an all-black line-up? so what? did the Celtics play against the Celtics? the league was still a predominantly white league, smaller talent pool and no international talents.

    The NBA's golden era started with Bird/Magic. That's not only my opinion. So what was it before? a league struggling with drugs, image problem, poor finances, and earlier than that, a league that have only 20% African Americans. Why you think that league was better than the current multi-million $$$ operations is beyond me. Do you think the league was better then because the Celtics won 11 out of 13? That's why even DoctorCO only counted the SB era, and discarded the NFL before that as "defunked". Of course he's wrong on the NFL, but he's opinion on counting what matters (the SB era) is not baseless.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/11/AR2009121101705.html

    The '80s, when Bird and Magic ruled, were the NBA's golden era.


    http://hoopspeak.com/2011/03/larry-and-magic-what-might-have-been-might-have-been-bad/

    In Ryan DeGama*s contribution to HoopSpeak*s Basketball Culture 101 series, he discusses the notion of Bird-Magic as a golden era for the NBA.


     
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    [QUOTE]laker nation 32, ITS THE NBA REGARDLESS OF HOW YOU SPIN IT!!!!!! THE NBA HAVE NOT CHANGED THERE TITLES DUE TO TIME... YOU CANT JUDGE TIME.... SO WHAT YOUR SAYING IS SOMETHING IS WORSE WHEN IT HASNT EVOLVED!!! LIFE IS EVOLUTION.. AND YOU CANT PICK OR SAY YOUR BETTER THAN EVOLUTION!! THE LEAGUE DIDNT APPEAR when THE FAKERS WON... THE LEAGUE APPEARED WHEN IT DID... ITS THE NBA.. NOT HOLLINGERS LEAGUE...
    Posted by DoctorCO[/QUOTE]

    "ITS THE NFL REGARDLESS OF HOW YOU SPIN IT!!!!!! THE NFL HAVE NOT CHANGED THERE TITLES DUE TO TIME... YOU CANT JUDGE TIME.... SO WHAT YOUR SAYING IS SOMETHING IS WORSE WHEN IT HASNT EVOLVED!!! LIFE IS EVOLUTION.. AND YOU CANT PICK OR SAY YOUR BETTER THAN EVOLUTION!! THE LEAGUE DIDNT APPEAR when THE STEELERS WON... THE LEAGUE APPEARED WHEN IT DID... ITS THE NFL.. NOT DOCTORCO's LEAGUE..."

    Yet you only counted the Steelers' titles (6 total) while ignoring the Packers (13 total). See, your campaign to ignore some of the Celtics' titles (in an era that didn't MATTER) is well appreciated.


     
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    WOW!!!

    But at least he finally admits Red was better than Phil!!
     
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    This thread just keeps on growing. 458 posts.

    EXCELLENT!!!  Cool
     
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    Redley34 does not put anyone on ignore. He just gets so frustrated that he stops responding to some. Laughing
     
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    [QUOTE]Redley34 does not put anyone on ignore. He just gets so frustrated that he stops responding to some.
    Posted by koberulz[/QUOTE]

    Good work koberulz, having him ignore you tells me one thing....the truth hurts huh! Lmao
     
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    LakerNation32, It is actually nice not having to respond to him, as his remarks are usually only half truths or completely fabricated.

    I am sure after reading this, he will want to tell me that he is going to sue me.  Laughing
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Lakers universally acclaimed as the NBA'S greatest franchise : That's funny, all sports are going forward, better quantifiable records, more participants, better talent pools, more advanced strategies etc. Yet only basketball is going backwards, and why is that? The Celtics were the first team to start an all-black line-up? so what? did the Celtics play against the Celtics? the league was still a predominantly white league, smaller talent pool and no international talents. The NBA's golden era started with Bird/Magic. That's not only my opinion. So what was it before? a league struggling with drugs, image problem, poor finances, and earlier than that, a league that have only 20% African Americans. Why you think that league was better than the current multi-million $$$ operations is beyond me. Do you think the league was better then because the Celtics won 11 out of 13? That's why even DoctorCO only counted the SB era, and discarded the NFL before that as "defunked". Of course he's wrong on the NFL, but he's opinion on counting what matters (the SB era) is not baseless. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/11/AR2009121101705.html The '80s, when Bird and Magic ruled, were the NBA's golden era. http://hoopspeak.com/2011/03/larry-and-magic-what-might-have-been-might-have-been-bad/ In Ryan DeGama*s contribution to HoopSpeak*s Basketball Culture 101 series, he discusses the notion of Bird-Magic as a golden era for the NBA.
    Posted by MajicMVP[/QUOTE]

    Read both - didn't see the words bush league in there anywhere.  Read both, didn't see the words Golden Era in there anyplace.
    Read the same stuff about other great rivalries like Russell and Wilt
    Making up facts to suit your argument is not cool!!!

    Th-th-th-th-that's all for you - back on ignore you go!!
     
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    Majjic mvp,

    1. How is refuting my wiki post on the nfl title which is what oh yea...which doesnt matter....THATS NOT GOING WELL BECAUSE YOU HAVENT REFUTED or found evidence to make wiki print a RETRACTION.....So until you get wiki to print a retraction.....THEN YOUR WRONG...IM RIGHT....

    2. So I showed you according to THE LAKERS WEBSITE that they have 16 TITLES...not 17 like you claim....SO are you saying the website lies???...How come the nba doesnt list the nbl titles won by washington??...And they list washingtons title in the 70's??......THE TRUTH I KNOW YOU CANT HANDLE....all on the nba's website...

    3. Majjic mvp, get wiki to PRINT A RETRACTION ON THIS LINK BECAUSE WIKI SAID THIS TOO....SO GET THEM TO PRINT A RETRACTION AND AN APOLOGY AND ILL BELIVE YOU. YOUR STILL OWNED.... GET THEM TO PRINT A RETRACTION!!!!!

    History of National Football League Championship

    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Throughout its history, the National Football League and other leagues have used several different formats to determine their league champion, including a period of interleague match-ups determining a true world champion.

    The NFL first determined champions through end-of-season standings, but switched to a playoff system in 1933. The rival All-America Football Conference and American Football League, which have since merged with the NFL (some AAFC teams in 1950, but because of a problem with the NFL-AAFC merger, AAFC championships games and records don't count in NFL record books. The AFL begun play in 1960 and used an playoff system to determine its champions like the league it was rivaling at time of formation.

    From 19661969 prior to the AFL-NFL merger in 1970, the NFL and the AFL agreed to hold an ultimate championship game, first called the AFL-NFL World Championship game and later renamed the Super Bowl after 1968. The most important factor of the merger was the fact that the all ten AFL teams joined the NFL in 1970 and every AFL championship game and record count in NFL record books. Since the merger, the NFL has become the only major professional football league in the United States. The Super Bowl was originally a game between the AFL and the NFL but after the merger, the Super Bowl was retooled as the NFL's championship game. The old NFL Championship game became the NFC Championship Game, while the old AFL Championship became the AFC Championship Game. The NFL lists the old AFL/NFL championship games with 'new' AFC/NFC championship games in its record books.

    The Green Bay Packers are the most successful franchise, winning 13 titles during the NFL's entire history. Green Bay also holds the distinction of winning the most NFL titles pre-Super Bowl era with nine. Green Bay last won the NFL Championship in 2010 when it beat the Pittsburgh Steelers in Super Bowl XLV, claiming a 31-25 victory.

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    1920 – 1932: The early years

    For a list of NFL standings champions prior to 1933, see List of NFL end-of-season champions

    At its inception in 1920, the NFL had no playoff system or championship game. The champion was the team with the best record during the season, determined by winning percentage, with ties omitted. This sometimes led to very odd results, as teams played anywhere from six to twenty league games in a season, and not all teams played the same number of games or against league talent. As a result, in the league's first six seasons, four league titles were disputed and had to be resolved by the league's executive committee. In 1920, the Akron Pros went undefeated, but two teams that had won more games (and who had both tied Akron), the Buffalo All-Americans and Decatur Staleys, petitioned the league for a share of the title; both teams' petitions were denied, and Akron was awarded the first (and only) Brunswick-Balke Collender Cup. The next was in the 1921 NFL season, between the same All-Americans and Staleys (with the latter now being based in Chicago). Buffalo had insisted that the last matchup between the two was an exhibition match not to be counted toward the standings; however, Chicago owner George Halas, as well as league management, insisted the game be counted in its standings (the league, at the time, did not recognize exhibition matches). The result was that although the two teams were effectively tied in the standings, the disputed game, having been played later, was given more weight and thus ended up being considered a de facto championship game. (Chicago also had one less tie game.) A nearly identical situation recurred in 1924, when Chicago tried the same tactic of a final game against the Cleveland Bulldogs, but the league ruled the opposite and declared the last game "post-season," giving the Bulldogs their third consecutive league title. The fourth and final disputed title was the 1925 NFL Championship controversy between the Pottsville Maroons and the Chicago Cardinals. The Maroons had been controversially suspended by the league at the end of the 1925 NFL season for an unauthorized game against a non-NFL team, allowing the Cardinals to throw together two fairly easy matches (one against a team consisting partly of high school players, also against league rules) to pass Pottsville in the standings. The league awarded the Cardinals the title, one of only two in the team's history, in a decision that continues to be disputed to this day, with Cardinals owners opposing any change in the record and the two current Pennsylvania teams in favor. No action has been taken by the league itself to address the issue, although a self-made championship trophy from the Maroons sits in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Ironically, it was Pottsville's win in this game against the Notre Dame All-Stars that gave professional football legitimacy over college football.

    Part of the controversy over these stems from the criteria the league used to determine its champion. The league used a variation of win percentage as its criterion, in which the number of wins is divided by the sum of wins and losses. Ties were treated as if the game had never been played. The league began considering ties in its standings in 1974, counting them as half a win and half a loss; this was not applied retroactively. Had it been, it would have changed several championships: the Buffalo All-Americans would have won a share of the 1920 title, and the Duluth Kelleys would have tied for first place in 1924. Had win-loss differential, the standard used in baseball, been used, the 1924 title would have gone to yet another team: the Frankford Yellow Jackets, who were four games ahead of eventual champion Cleveland in the standings by that measure; the Decatur Staleys would have similarly won the 1920 title by virtue of being one game ahead of Buffalo.

    In the 1932 season, the Chicago Bears and the Portsmouth Spartans tied with the best regular-season winning percentages (although the Green Bay Packers had four more wins). To determine the champion, the league voted to hold the first official playoff game in Chicago at Wrigley Field. Because of severe winter conditions before the game, and fear of low turnout, the game was held indoors at Chicago Stadium which forced some temporary rule changes. The game was played on a modified 80-yard dirt field, and Chicago won 9–0, winning the league championship. A number of new rule changes were instituted, many inspired by the 1932 indoor championship game: the goal posts were moved forward to the goal line, every play started from between the hash marks, and forward passes could originate from anywhere behind the line of scrimmage (instead of five yards behind). The playoff game proved so popular that the league reorganized into two divisions for the 1933 season, with the winners advancing to a scheduled championship game.

    1933 – 1966: The advent of the postseason

    1933 – 1966: NFL Championship Game

    For a list of NFL Championship Games and winners, see List of NFL champions

    Starting in 1933, the NFL decided its champion through a single postseason playoff game, called the NFL Championship Game. During this period, the league divided its teams into two groups, through 1949 as divisions and from 1950 onward as conferences.

    • Divisions (1933–1949): Eastern and Western
    • Conferences (1950–1952): American and National
    • Conferences (1953–1966): Eastern and Western
    • Conferences and Divisions (1966–1969): Eastern (Capitol and Century) and Western (Central and Coastal)

    The home team for the NFL Championship Game was determined by a yearly rotation between the conferences (or divisions), not by regular-season records. If there was a tie for first place within the conference, an extra playoff game determined which team played in the NFL Championship Game. (This occurred nine times in these 34 seasons: 1941, 1943, 1947, 1950 (both conferences), 1952, 1957, 1958, and 1965.)

    This last occurred during the 1965 season, when the Green Bay Packers and Baltimore Colts tied for first place in the Western Conference at 10-3-1. Green Bay had won both its games with Baltimore during the regular season, but because no tie-breaker system was in place, a conference playoff game was held on December 26 (what was scheduled to be an off-week between the end of the regular schedule and the NFL Championship Game). The Cleveland Browns, the Eastern champion at 11-3-0, did not play that week. The championship game was then held on its originally-scheduled date, January 2, 1966 --- the first time the NFL champion was crowned in January. Green Bay won both post-season games at home, beating the injury-riddled Colts (with third-string QB Tom Matte) in overtime by a controversial field goal, and taking the title 23–12 on a very muddy field (in what turned out to be Jim Brown's final NFL game).

    For the 1960 through 1969 seasons, the NFL staged an additional postseason game called the "Playoff Bowl" (aka the "Bert Bell Benefit Bowl" or the "Runner-up Bowl"). These games matched the second-place teams from the two conferences; the CBS television network advertised them as "playoff games for third place in the NFL." All ten of these consolation games were played in the Orange Bowl in Miami in January, the week after the NFL championship game. The NFL now classifies these contests as exhibition games and does not include the records, participants, or results in the official league playoff statistics. The Playoff Bowl was discontinued after the AFL-NFL merger; the final edition was played in January 1970.

    Starting with the 1934 game the winning team received the Ed Thorp Memorial Trophy. The trophy was named after Ed Thorp, a noted referee, rules expert, and sporting goods dealer. Thorp died in 1934 and a large, traveling trophy was made that year, passed along from champion to champion each season with each championship team's name inscribed on it. Teams would also receive a replica trophy. The trophy was last awarded to the Minnesota Vikings in 1969. The actual trophy, however, is now missing.[1]

    The 1955 and 1960 NFL championship games were played on Monday afternoons, Christmas having fallen on a Sunday in those years.

    1946 – 1949: AAFC Championship Game

    For a list of AAFC Championship Games and winners, see List of AAFC champions

    The All-America Football Conference was created in June 1944 to compete against the NFL. Even though the league outdrew the NFL in attendance, the continuing dominance of the Cleveland Browns led to the league's downfall.

    For its first three seasons, the league was divided into two divisions: Eastern and Western (1946–1948). The league had no divisions in 1949. The site of the championship game during the first three was determined just as it was in the NFL --- a divisional rotation. In 1949, the league held a four-team playoff, with home field based upon won-lost record.

    The Browns, led by Quarterback Otto Graham, won all four of the league championship games.

    A tiebreaker playoff game was played in 1948 to break a tie between the Baltimore Colts and Buffalo Bills (AAFC) for the Eastern Division championship. Semifinal playoff games were held in 1949, setting up a championship final between the first-place Browns and the second-place San Francisco 49ers.

    In 1948, the Browns became the first professional football team to complete an entire season undefeated and untied — 24 years before the 1972 Miami Dolphins of the NFL would accomplish the task, but this feat is not recognized by NFL record books. Unlike the AFL statistics which are treated as NFL statistics, records of the AAFC and its teams (most of which folded) are not recognized. However, individual AAFC player statistics are included in Pro Football Hall of Fame records, and the defunct conference is memorialized in the Hall.

    1960 – 1966: AFL Championship Game

    For a list of AFL Championship Games and winners, see List of AFL champions

    With its creation in 1960, the AFL determined its champion via a single playoff game between the winners of its two divisions, the Eastern and Western. The AFL Championship games featured classics such as the 1962 double-overtime championship game between the Dallas Texans and the defending champion Houston Oilers. At the time it was the longest professional football championship game ever played. Also in 1963, an Eastern Division playoff was needed to determine the division winner between the Boston Patriots and Buffalo Bills.

    1966 – 1969: NFL vs. AFL - The beginning of the Super Bowl era

    For a list of AFL Championship Games and winners, see List of AFL champions
    For a list of NFL Championship Games and winners, see List of NFL champions
    For a list of AFL-NFL World Championship games, see List of AFL-NFL World champions

    In 1966, the success of the rival AFL, the spectre of the NFL's losing more stars to the AFL, and concern over a costly "bidding war" for players precipitated by the NFL's Giants' signing of Pete Gogolak, who was under contract to the AFL's Buffalo Bills, led the two leagues to discuss a merger. Pivotal to this was approval by Congress of a law (PL 89-800) that would waive jeopardy to anti-trust statutes for the merged leagues. The major point of the testimony given by the leagues to obtain the law was that if the merger were permitted, "Professional football operations will be preserved in the 23 cities and 25 stadiums where such operations are presently being conducted." The merger was announced on June 8, 1966, and became fully effective in 1970.

    After expanding to enfranchise the New Orleans Saints in 1967, the NFL split its 16 teams into two conferences with two divisions each: the Capitol and Century Divisions in the Eastern Conference, and the Coastal and Central Divisions in the Western Conference. The playoff format was expanded from a single championship game to a four-team tournament, with the four divisional champions participating. The two division winners in each conference met in the "Conference Championships," with the winners advancing to the NFL Championship Game. Again, the home team for each playoff game was determined by a yearly divisional or conference rotation.

    The AFL on the other hand, raised its total franchise number to nine in 1966 with the Miami Dolphins, joining the Eastern Division and a tenth team, the Cincinnati Bengals in 1968. The league kept using the one-game-playoff format except when division tie-breakers were needed. With the addition of the Bengals to the Western Division in 1969, the AFL adopted a four-team playoff to determine its champion.

    Following the NFL and AFL Championship Games for the 1966 through 1969 seasons, the NFL champion played the AFL champion in Super Bowls I through IV, the only true inter-league championship games in the history of professional football. The first two of these games were known as the AFL-NFL World Championship Game, as the title Super Bowl was not chosen until 1968. Thus the third AFL-NFL matchup was dubbed "Super Bowl III" and the first two matches were retronamed as Super Bowls I and II. The first two games were convincingly won by the NFL's Packers, the last two by the AFL's New York Jets and Kansas City Chiefs, leaving the leagues even at 2-2 in "World Championship" competition when they subsequently merged.

    All participants in those four AFL-NFL championship games were either AFL champions or NFL champions in the record books, no matter the outcome of the Super Bowl. Three of the four league champions who lost one of the first four Super Bowls would eventually win at least one. The exception is the Minnesota Vikings which went to three others and lost all of them.

    1970 – present: The Super Bowl era

    For a complete list of post-merger Super Bowl winners, see List of Super Bowl champions.

    Post Merger

    After the 1969 season and Super Bowl IV, the AFL and NFL fully merged and underwent a re-alignment for the 1970 season. Three of the pre-merger NFL teams were transferred to the AFC (Browns, Colts, and Steelers) to level the conferences (AFC and NFC) at 13 teams each; each conference split into three divisions. Since there was now only one league, the Super Bowl became a league championship and the winner is the NFL champion.

    With only six division winners in the newly merged league, the NFL designed an eight-team playoff tournament, with four clubs from each conference qualifying. Along with the three division winners in each conference, two wild card teams (one from each conference), the second-place finishers with the best records in each conference, were added to the tournament. The first round was named the "Divisional Playoffs," the winners advancing to the "Conference Championships" (AFC & NFC). Two weeks later, the AFC and NFC champions met in the Super Bowl, now the league's championship game. Thus, Super Bowl V in January 1971 was the first Super Bowl played for the NFL title.

    With the introduction of the wild card, a rule was instituted to prohibit two teams from the same division (champion and wild card) from meeting in the first-round (Divisional Playoffs). This rule would remain in effect through the 1989 season. More significantly, the home teams in the playoffs were still decided by a yearly divisional rotation, not on regular-season records (excluding the wild-card teams, who would always play on the road). This lack of "home-field advantage" was most evident in the 1972 playoffs, when the undefeated Miami Dolphins played the AFC Championship Game against the Pittsburgh Steelers, who had recorded three losses during the regular season, at Three Rivers Stadium in Pittsburgh.

    Beginning in 1972, tie games were included in the computing of each team's winning percentage. Each tie was then counted as half of a win and half of a loss, rather than being omitted from the computation. In the past the NFL used to disregard any tie games played when they computed the standings, basing it on win/loss percentage with any ties thrown out and ignored. There were no overtime games played during the regular season.

    The institution of "home-field advantage"

    In 1975, the league modified its 1970 playoff format by instituting a seeding system. The surviving clubs with the higher seeds were made the home teams for each playoff round. The three division champions in each conference were seeded first through third based on their regular-season records, with the wild-card team in each conference as the fourth seed.

    Teams that earned the top seed became known as clinching "home-field advantage" throughout the playoffs, since they played all of their playoff games at their home stadium (except for the Super Bowl, played at a neutral site).

    However, the league continued to prohibit meetings between teams from the same division in the Divisional Playoffs. Thus, there would be times when the pairing in that round would pit the first seed versus the third, and the second versus the fourth. This system is identical to that now in use by Major League Baseball.

    Further playoff expansion

    The league expanded the playoffs to 10 teams in 1978, adding a second wild-card team (a fifth seed) from each conference. The two wild-card teams from each conference (the fourth and fifth seeds) played each other in the first round, called the "Wild Card Playoffs." The division winners (the first three seeds) would then receive a bye to automatically advance to the Divisional Playoffs, which became the second round of the playoffs. In the divisional round, much like the 1970 playoff format, teams from the same division were still prohibited from playing each other, regardless of seeding. Under the 1978 format, teams from the same division could meet only in the wild-card round or the conference championship. Thus, as before, a divisional champion could only play a divisional foe in the conference championship game.

    A players' strike shortened the 1982 season to nine games. The league used a special 16-team playoff tournament for that year. The top eight teams from each conference qualified (ignoring the divisional races—there were no division standings, and in some cases 2 teams from the same division did not play each other at all that season). The playoffs reverted to the 1978 format in the following year.

    In 1990, the NFL expanded the playoffs to twelve teams by adding a third wild-card team (a sixth seed) from each conference. The restrictions on intra-division playoff games during the Divisional Playoffs were removed. However, only the top two division winners in each conference (the 1 and 2 seeds) received byes and automatically advanced to the Divisional Playoffs as host teams. The 3 seed, the division winner with the worst regular season record in each conference, would then host the 6 seed in the Wild Card Playoffs.

    In 2002, the NFL realigned into eight divisions, four per conference, to accommodate a 32nd team, the Houston Texans. The playoffs remained a 12-team tournament, with four division winners (the 1, 2, 3, and 4 seeds) and two wild cards (the 5 and 6 seeds) from each conference advancing to the playoffs. Again, only the top two division winners in each conference would automatically advance to the Divisional Playoffs, while everybody else had to play in the Wild Card round. Furthermore, the league still maintains the names "Wild Card Playoffs," "Divisional Playoffs," and "Conference Championships" for the first, second, and third rounds of the playoffs, respectively.

    A proposal to expand the playoffs to 14 teams by adding a third wild card team (a seventh seed) from each conference, and only giving the 1 seeds the bye in the first round, was tabled by the league owners in 2003.[2]

    Championship games per season

    Below is a list of Professional Football champions per season as recognized by the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

    APFA/NFL Standings Champions (1920 – 1932)

    (For the first thirteen seasons, the APFA/NFL did not hold a championship game except in 1932 when a playoff game was held, the precursor to the championship game; from 1920–1971, the NFL did not officially include tie games in the winning percentage.)

    Season League Team Win Loss Tie Pct.
    1920[3] APFA Akron Pros (1) 8 0 3 1.000
    1921 APFA Chicago Staleys[4] (1) 9 1 1 .900
    1922 NFL Canton Bulldogs (1) 10 0 2 1.000
    1923 NFL Canton Bulldogs (2) 11 0 1 1.000
    1924 NFL Cleveland Bulldogs (1) 7 1 1 .875
    1925 NFL Chicago Cardinals (1) 11 2 1 .846
    1926 NFL Frankford Yellow Jackets (1) 14 1 2 .933
    1927 NFL New York Giants (1) 11 1 1 .917
    1928 NFL Providence Steam Roller (1) 8 1 2 .889
    1929 NFL Green Bay Packers (1) 12 0 1 1.000
    1930 NFL Green Bay Packers (2) 10 3 1 .769
    1931 NFL Green Bay Packers (3) 12 2 0 .857
    1932 NFL Chicago Bears (2) 7 1 6 .875

    NFL Championship Game (1933 – 1945)

    (The NFL begins having a championship game)

    Season League Winning Team Score Losing Team Venue Attendance
    1933 NFL Chicago Bears (3) 23–21 New York Giants Wrigley Field 26,000
    1934 NFL New York Giants (2) 30–13 Chicago Bears Polo Grounds 35,059
    1935 NFL Detroit Lions (1) 26–7 New York Giants University of Detroit Stadium 15,000
    1936 NFL Green Bay Packers (4) 21–6 Boston Redskins Polo Grounds (New York, NY) 29,545
    1937 NFL Washington Redskins (1) 28–21 Chicago Bears Wrigley Field 15,870
    1938 NFL New York Giants (3) 23–17 Green Bay Packers Polo Grounds 48,120
    1939 NFL Green Bay Packers (5) 27–0 New York Giants Wisconsin State Fair Park (West Allis, WI) 32,279
    1940 NFL Chicago Bears (4) 73–0 Washington Redskins Griffith Stadium 36,034
    1941 NFL Chicago Bears (5) 37–9 New York Giants Wrigley Field 13,341
    1942 NFL Washington Redskins (2) 14–6 Chicago Bears Griffith Stadium 36,006
    1943 NFL Chicago Bears (6) 41–21 Washington Redskins Wrigley Field 34,320
    1944 NFL Green Bay Packers (6) 14–7 New York Giants Polo Grounds 46,016
    1945 NFL Cleveland Rams (1) 15–14 Washington Redskins Cleveland Municipal Stadium 32,178

    NFL Championship Game and AAFC Championship Game (1946 – 1949)

    (Between 1946 and 1949 both the NFL and AAFC were in operation with the merger of the AAFC into the NFL taking place in 1950.)

    Season League Winning Team Score Losing Team Venue Attendance
    1946 AAFC Cleveland Browns (1) 14–9 New York Yankees Cleveland Municipal Stadium 41,181
    NFL Chicago Bears (7) 24–14 New York Giants Polo Grounds 58,346
    1947 AAFC Cleveland Browns (2) 14–3 New York Yankees Yankee Stadium 60,103
    NFL Chicago Cardinals (2) 28–21 Philadelphia Eagles Comiskey Park 30,759
    1948 AAFC Cleveland Browns (3) 49–7 Buffalo Bills Cleveland Municipal Stadium 22,981
    NFL Philadelphia Eagles (1) 7–0 Chicago Cardinals Shibe Park 36,309
    1949 AAFC Cleveland Browns (4) 21–7 San Francisco 49ers Cleveland Municipal Stadium 22,550
    NFL Philadelphia Eagles (2) 14–0 Los Angeles Rams Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum 27,980

    NFL Championship Game (1950 – 1959)

    (Between 1950 and 1959 the NFL was the only operating league with former AAFC franchises the Cleveland Browns, San Francisco 49ers, and Baltimore Colts joining the NFL. The number in the parentheses is the total number of NFL championships and the bolded number in parentheses is the total number of league championships.)

    Year League Winning Team Score Losing Team Venue Attendance
    1950 NFL Cleveland Browns[5] (1) (5) 30–28 Los Angeles Rams Cleveland Municipal Stadium 29,751
    1951 NFL Los Angeles Rams (2) 24–17 Cleveland Browns Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum 57,522
    1952 NFL Detroit Lions (2) 17–7 Cleveland Browns Cleveland Municipal Stadium 50,934
    1953 NFL Detroit Lions (3) 17–16 Cleveland Browns Briggs Stadium 54,577
    1954 NFL Cleveland Browns (2) (6) 56–10 Detroit Lions Cleveland Municipal Stadium 43,827
    1955 NFL Cleveland Browns (3) (7) 38–14 Los Angeles Rams Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum 85,693
    1956 NFL New York Giants (4) 47–7 Chicago Bears Yankee Stadium 56,836
    1957 NFL Detroit Lions (4) 59–14 Cleveland Browns Briggs Stadium 55,263
    1958 NFL Baltimore Colts (1) 23–17 (OT) New York Giants Yankee Stadium 64,185
    1959 NFL Baltimore Colts (2) 31–16 New York Giants Memorial Stadium 57,545

    AFL Championship Game and NFL Championship Game (1960 – 1965)

    (The NFL was joined by the American Football League from 1960 to 1969 with the AFL merging with the NFL in 1970. The number in the parentheses is the total number of NFL or AFL championships and the bolded number in parentheses is the total number of league championships.)

    Season League Winning Team Score Losing Team Venue Attendance
    1960 AFL Houston Oilers (1) 24–16 Los Angeles Chargers Jeppesen Stadium 32,183
    NFL Philadelphia Eagles (3) 17–13 Green Bay Packers Franklin Field 67,325
    1961 AFL Houston Oilers (2) 10–3 San Diego Chargers Balboa Stadium 29,556
    NFL Green Bay Packers (7) 37–0 New York Giants "New" City Stadium 39,029
    1962 AFL Dallas Texans (1) 20–17 (2OT) Houston Oilers Jeppesen Stadium 37,981
    NFL Green Bay Packers (8) 16–7 New York Giants Yankee Stadium 64,892
    1963 AFL San Diego Chargers (1) 51–10 Boston Patriots Balboa Stadium 30,127
    NFL Chicago Bears (8) 14–10 New York Giants Wrigley Field 45,801
    1964 AFL Buffalo Bills (1) 20–7 San Diego Chargers War Memorial Stadium 40,242
    NFL Cleveland Browns (4) (8) 27–0 Baltimore Colts Cleveland Municipal Stadium 79,544
    1965 AFL Buffalo Bills (2) 23–0 San Diego Chargers Balboa Stadium 30,361
    NFL Green Bay Packers (9) 23–12 Cleveland Browns Lambeau Field 50,777

    AFL Championship Game and NFL Championship Game (1966–1969)

    (In 1966, NFL and AFL agreed to merge and play an ultimate championship game between the two leagues entitled NFL-AFL World Championship game. The merger however didn't formally take place until 1970, because of this the NFL-AFL championship games unofficially became an additional qualifying round in the playoffs as there was still one more game to play in the season for the winner of the AFL-NFL championship games. Officially these games were still main championship in both leagues but with creation of NFL-AFL World Championship game that eventually would be known as Super Bowl. Inclusion of these eight AFL-NFL Championship games is problematical in overall listing of Most World Championships/league championships, therefore they are generally not included in the overall records.[6][7][8][9][10][11]

    After the merger the AFL-NFL Championship games were replaced/retooled as/with AFC Championship game and NFC Championship game.'

    Since these AFL-NFL Championships are generally not included in overall World Championship/league Championship list, because of this there are no number given in parentheses counting them.).

    Season League Winning Team Score Losing Team Venue Attendance
    1966 AFL Kansas City Chiefs 31–7 Buffalo Bills War Memorial Stadium 42,080
    NFL Green Bay Packers 34–27 Dallas Cowboys Cotton Bowl 74,152
    1967 AFL Oakland Raiders 40–7 Houston Oilers Oakland Coliseum 53,330
    NFL Green Bay Packers 21–17 Dallas Cowboys Lambeau Field 50,861
    1968 AFL New York Jets 27–23 Oakland Raiders Shea Stadium 62,627
    NFL Baltimore Colts 34–0 Cleveland Browns Cleveland Municipal Stadium 78,410
    1969 AFL Kansas City Chiefs 17–7 Oakland Raiders Oakland Coliseum 53,561
    NFL Minnesota Vikings 27–7 Cleveland Browns Metropolitan Stadium 46,503

    Super Bowl Championship (1966 – present)

    (The creation of Super Bowl was the first sign of AFL-NFL merger. The first four Super Bowls served as intra-league championship games because of these intra-league championship games this created some confusion amongst football fans that there was an special World Championship series in the pre-merger era. After the merger, the Super Bowl became the NFL's championship game.Since there is this has .

    The number in the parentheses is the total number of Super Bowl championships and the bolded number in parentheses is the total number of league championships.)

    Season League Game Winning Team Score Losing Team Venue Attendance
    1966 NFL
    AFL
    I Green Bay Packers (1) (10) 35–10 Kansas City Chiefs Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum 61,946
    1967 NFL
    AFL
    II Green Bay Packers (2) (11) 33–14 Oakland Raiders Miami Orange Bowl 75,546
    1968 AFL
    NFL
    III New York Jets (1) (1) 16–7 Baltimore Colts Miami Orange Bowl 75,389
    1969 AFL
    NFL
    IV Kansas City Chiefs (1) (2) 23–7 Minnesota Vikings Tulane Stadium, New Orleans 80,562
    1970 NFL V Baltimore Colts (1) (3) 16–13 Dallas Cowboys Miami Orange Bowl 79,204
    1971 NFL VI Dallas Cowboys (1) (1) 24–3 Miami Dolphins Tulane Stadium 81,023
    1972 NFL VII Miami Dolphins (1) (1) 14–7 Washington Redskins Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum 90,182
    1973 NFL VIII Miami Dolphins (2) (2) 24–7 Minnesota Vikings Rice Stadium 71,882
    1974 NFL IX Pittsburgh Steelers (1) (1) 16–6 Minnesota Vikings Tulane Stadium 80,997
    1975 NFL X Pittsburgh Steelers (2) (2) 21–17 Dallas Cowboys Miami Orange Bowl 80,187
    1976 NFL XI Oakland Raiders (1) (1) 32–14 Minnesota Vikings Rose Bowl Stadium 103,438
    1977 NFL XII Dallas Cowboys (2) (2) 27–10 Denver Broncos Louisiana Superdome 76,400
    1978 NFL XIII Pittsburgh Steelers (3) (3) 35–31 Dallas Cowboys Miami Orange Bowl 79,484
    1979 NFL XIV Pittsburgh Steelers (4) (4) 31–19 Los Angeles Rams Rose Bowl Stadium 103,985
    1980 NFL XV Oakland Raiders (2) (2) 27–10 Philadelphia Eagles Louisiana Superdome 76,135
    1981 NFL XVI San Francisco 49ers (1) (1) 26–21 Cincinnati Bengals Pontiac Silverdome 81,270
    1982 NFL XVII Washington Redskins (1) (3) 27–17 Miami Dolphins Rose Bowl Stadium 103,667
    1983 NFL XVIII Los Angeles Raiders (3) (3) 38–9 Washington Redskins Tampa Stadium 72,920
    1984 NFL XIX San Francisco 49ers (2) (2) 38–16 Miami Dolphins Stanford Stadium 84,059
    1985 NFL XX Chicago Bears (1) (9) 46–10 New England Patriots Louisiana Superdome 73,818
    1986 NFL XXI New York Giants (1) (5) 39–20 Denver Broncos Rose Bowl Stadium 101,063
    1987 NFL XXII Washington Redskins (2) (4) 42–10 Denver Broncos Jack Murphy Stadium 73,302
    1988 NFL XXIII San Francisco 49ers (3) (3) 20–16 Cincinnati Bengals Joe Robbie Stadium 75,129
    1989 NFL XXIV San Francisco 49ers (4) (4) 55–10 Denver Broncos Louisiana Superdome 72,919
    1990 NFL XXV New York Giants (2) (6) 20–19 Buffalo Bills Tampa Stadium 73,813
    1991 NFL XXVI Washington Redskins (3) (5) 37–24 Buffalo Bills Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome 63,130
    1992 NFL XXVII Dallas Cowboys (3) (3) 52–17 Buffalo Bills Rose Bowl Stadium 98,374
    1993 NFL XXVIII Dallas Cowboys (4) (4) 30–13 Buffalo Bills Georgia Dome 72,817
    1994 NFL XXIX San Francisco 49ers (5) (5) 49–26 San Diego Chargers Joe Robbie Stadium 74,107
    1995 NFL XXX Dallas Cowboys (5) (5) 27–17 Pittsburgh Steelers Sun Devil Stadium 76,347
    1996 NFL XXXI Green Bay Packers (3) (12) 35–21 New England Patriots Louisiana Superdome 72,301
    1997 NFL XXXII Denver Broncos (1) (1) 31–24 Green Bay Packers Qualcomm Stadium 68,912
    1998 NFL XXXIII Denver Broncos (2) (2) 34–19 Atlanta Falcons Pro Player Stadium 74,803
    1999 NFL XXXIV St. Louis Rams (1) (3) 23–16 Tennessee Titans Georgia Dome 72,625
    2000 NFL XXXV Baltimore Ravens (1) (1) 34–7 New York Giants Raymond James Stadium 71,921
    2001 NFL XXXVI New England Patriots (1) (1) 20–17 St. Louis Rams Louisiana Superdome 72,922
    2002 NFL XXXVII Tampa Bay Buccaneers (1) (1) 48–21 Oakland Raiders Qualcomm Stadium 67,603
    2003 NFL XXXVIII New England Patriots (2) (2) 32–29 Carolina Panthers Reliant Stadium 71,525
    2004 NFL XXXIX New England Patriots (3) (3) 24–21 Philadelphia Eagles ALLTEL Stadium 78,125
    2005 NFL XL Pittsburgh Steelers (5) (5) 21–10 Seattle Seahawks Ford Field 68,206
    2006 NFL XLI Indianapolis Colts (2) (4) 29–17 Chicago Bears Dolphin Stadium 74,512
    2007 NFL XLII New York Giants (3) (7) 17-14 New England Patriots University of Phoenix Stadium 71,101
    2008 NFL XLIII Pittsburgh Steelers (6) (6) 27-23 Arizona Cardinals Raymond James Stadium 70,774
    2009 NFL XLIV New Orleans Saints (1) (1) 31-17 Indianapolis Colts Sun Life Stadium 74,059
    2010 NFL XLV Green Bay Packers (4) (13) 31-25 Pittsburgh Steelers Cowboys Stadium 103,219

    List of various league/world championship game systems

    Current NFL Championship system Intra-league/World Championship system Defunct league championship system
    League Official Name Common Name First year Last year Trophy name
    NFL NFL Champion
    (No championship game played)
    NFL Champion 1920 1932 Brunswick-Balke Collender Cup, 1922
    None, 1923–32
    NFL Championship Game NFL Championship 1933 1965 Ed Thorp Memorial Trophy
    AAFC AAFC Championship Game AAFC Championship 1946 1949 AAFC Trophy
    AFL AFL Championship Game AFL Championship 1960 1969 AFL Trophy
    AFL
    NFL
    AFL-NFL World Championship Game World Championship of Pro Football
    AFL-NFL World Championship Game
    Super Bowl
    1966 1969 World Championship Game Trophy/
    Vince Lombardi Trophy
    NFL Super Bowl
    "(Modern) NFL Championship"
    Super Bowl
    World Championship
    (Modern) NFL Championship
    1970  

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    Re: Lakers universally acclaimed as the NBA'S greatest franchise

    MAjjic mvp,

    When I talked about the lakers LEAVING THE NBL for the ABA....When you leave the NBL you dont count a NBA title in THE ABA...THE LAKERS LEFT....THE LEAGUE...Its like Boston Colleges Big east title in basketball DOESNT COUNT IN THE ACC...OR the MAVS TITLE count for oylimpic champions....

    SO YOUR OWNED THERE.....


    HERES MORE OF WHERE I OWN YOU.....
    ALL FROM WIKI....PRove me wrong and make them retract and apologize..

    1.

    List of various league/world championship game systems

    Current NFL Championship system Intra-league/World Championship system Defunct league championship system
    League Official Name Common Name First year Last year Trophy name










    2.

    Super Bowl Championship (1966 – present)

    (The creation of Super Bowl was the first sign of AFL-NFL merger. The first four Super Bowls served as intra-league championship games because of these intra-league championship games this created some confusion amongst football fans that there was an special World Championship series in the pre-merger era. After the merger, the Super Bowl became the NFL's championship game.Since there is this has .

    The number in the parentheses is the total number of Super Bowl championships and the bolded number in parentheses is the total number of league championships.)

    THE BOWL BECAME THE TITLE GAME...NOT COMBINING TITLES....


    AND FINALLY FOR THE COUP DE GRA....

    YOUR OWNED...

    AFL Championship Game and NFL Championship Game (1966–1969)

    (In 1966, NFL and AFL agreed to merge and play an ultimate championship game between the two leagues entitled NFL-AFL World Championship game. The merger however didn't formally take place until 1970, because of this the NFL-AFL championship games unofficially became an additional qualifying round in the playoffs as there was still one more game to play in the season for the winner of the AFL-NFL championship games. Officially these games were still main championship in both leagues but with creation of NFL-AFL World Championship game that eventually would be known as Super Bowl. Inclusion of these eight AFL-NFL Championship games is problematical in overall listing of Most World Championships/league championships, therefore they are generally not included in the overall records.[6][7][8][9][10][11]

    After the merger the AFL-NFL Championship games were replaced/retooled as/with AFC Championship game and NFC Championship game.'

    Since these AFL-NFL Championships are generally not included in overall World Championship/league Championship list, because of this there are no number given in parentheses counting them.).



    LASTLY MY SON....Why does a fans post mean reality??...ITS THE LEAGUE...NOT WHAT YOU WISH THE LEAGUE DID
     
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    Re: Lakers universally acclaimed as the NBA'S greatest franchise

    majjic mvp,

    All from wiki...type in defunked nfl title systemm..

    YOUR OWNED...AND OFFICIALLY WHY THEY DONT COUNT

    AFL Championship Game and NFL Championship Game (1966–1969)

    (In 1966, NFL and AFL agreed to merge and play an ultimate championship game between the two leagues entitled NFL-AFL World Championship game. The merger however didn't formally take place until 1970, because of this the NFL-AFL championship games unofficially became an additional qualifying round in the playoffs as there was still one more game to play in the season for the winner of the AFL-NFL championship games. Officially these games were still main championship in both leagues but with creation of NFL-AFL World Championship game that eventually would be known as Super Bowl. Inclusion of these eight AFL-NFL Championship games is problematical in overall listing of Most World Championships/league championships, therefore they are generally not included in the overall records.[6][7][8][9][10][11]

    After the merger the AFL-NFL Championship games were replaced/retooled as/with AFC Championship game and NFC Championship game.'

    Since these AFL-NFL Championships are generally not included in overall World Championship/league Championship list, because of this there are no number given in parentheses counting them.).



    OWNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    Re: Lakers universally acclaimed as the NBA'S greatest franchise

    Spot on Majic!
     
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    Re: Lakers universally acclaimed as the NBA'S greatest franchise

    lakernation32,

    So the nba website and the nba is wrong when they say the washington team has 1 ring....

    wow .......

    and that the lakers have 16..

    so you think you know more than the nba...

    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO.

    REALITY CHECK:    no you dont...................................
     
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    Re: Lakers universally acclaimed as the NBA'S greatest franchise

    lakernation,

    from wiki....not my thoughts from wiki..

    if you have a problem with this statement..take it to them make them retract and say sorry...

    here it is...
    After the merger the AFL-NFL Championship games were replaced/retooled as/with AFC Championship game and NFC Championship game.'

    Since these AFL-NFL Championships are generally not included in overall World Championship/league Championship list, because of this there are no number given in parentheses counting them.).

     
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    Re: Lakers universally acclaimed as the NBA'S greatest franchise

    Who stole the 17th championship trophy, Fierce?

    Championships1st

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    Re: Lakers universally acclaimed as the NBA'S greatest franchise

    The Fakers were supposed to win their 17th championship this year. Unfortunately, KoMe fell face first on the ground.
     
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    Re: Lakers universally acclaimed as the NBA'S greatest franchise

    Fierce tells them the Lakers have 17 championships and they believe it. Two words, SO GULLIBLE! Laughing
     
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    Re: Lakers universally acclaimed as the NBA'S greatest franchise

    In Response to Re: Lakers universally acclaimed as the NBA'S greatest franchise:
    [QUOTE]Fierce tells them the Lakers have 17 championships and they believe it. Two words, SO GULLIBLE!
    Posted by Tachometrix[/QUOTE]

    Actually, I wish I had Fierce's respect around here.  I've told him for two years that if Bynum didn't get hurt, the lakers don't get Gasol.  I proved it, and it is so bad now, I don't even respond to his posts anymore.  Those of you that do, good luck, it's like talking to a wall!
     
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    Re: Lakers universally acclaimed as the NBA'S greatest franchise

    Redley34, IF this, and IF that. Guess what... It doesn't matter what your predictions are, the Lakers won back to back titles since acquiring Pau Gasol, the Celtics have not won back to back titles in more than 40 years. Thanks for playing! Cool
     
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    Re: Lakers universally acclaimed as the NBA'S greatest franchise

    In Response to Re: Lakers universally acclaimed as the NBA'S greatest franchise:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Lakers universally acclaimed as the NBA'S greatest franchise : Actually, I wish I had Fierce's respect around here.  I've told him for two years that if Bynum didn't get hurt, the lakers don't get Gasol.  I proved it, and it is so bad now, I don't even respond to his posts anymore.  Those of you that do, good luck, it's like talking to a wall!
    Posted by Red-16Russ-11[/QUOTE]
    If Boston didn't trade for Garnett, the Celtics don't win in 08.

    Still love those "if's"? I don't.
     
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    Re: Lakers universally acclaimed as the NBA'S greatest franchise

    In Response to Re: Lakers universally acclaimed as the NBA'S greatest franchise:
    [QUOTE]Lakers have 17 championships because Fierce34 said so! Spot on Majic! Thanks for playing! Wait. Why won't Dr. Jerry Buss say the Lakers have 17 championships? Again, thanks for playing. Ha Ha
    Posted by Fiercest34[/QUOTE]

    When Cooke owned the team, he didn't even acknowledge the ones they won in MN.  Maybe Buss Jr will do the same -
    Bos 17
    LA 11
    MN 5

     
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    Re: Lakers universally acclaimed as the NBA'S greatest franchise

    flobus,

    heres another if..

    The lakers dont win 2 titles if they didnt trade for the worse gasol....
     
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    In Response to Re: Lakers universally acclaimed as the NBA'S greatest franchise:
    [QUOTE]flobus, heres another if.. The lakers dont win 2 titles if they didnt trade for the worse gasol....
    Posted by DoctorCO[/QUOTE]
    How many would they have won had they kept the good one?
     
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    Re: Lakers universally acclaimed as the NBA'S greatest franchise

    Flobusmcnugget,

    If the lakers won a title for randy pfund would he be a great coach or a bad coach???...

    and the lakers have a center in bynum...marc is a c..while paullly is a pf.....

    If the lakers didnt sign fisher in 2008 would they have won 2 titles??...

    If the lakers didnt go to kobe like 6 years ago and say stay with the lakers...when we all know he was a clipper for one day...

    If charles barkley played for the bulls instead of rodman would he have a ring?????

    Keep playing ifS....LOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOL
     
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