Let's compare this team to the 1994 NBA champion Houston Rockets

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    We have nothing, NOTHING, in common with the '94 rockets. They had the best player in the game at that time (arguably on both ends on the floor) and a phyisical banger like Otis Thorpe at the 4. They had 2 old school PGs, we have (after Rondo went down) no PG at all.

    Hack, we have more in common (that doesn't mean a lot in common) with the '95 rockets. At least they had that year houston had an over the hill Drexler at the 2-3 spot like we have in PP and they played a shooter on the 4 (Horry). But still had Hakeem who destroyed the reigning MVP (or was that the year before) one on one.

    And the most important: BB is no socker, it is all about matchups not about the average skill of the team. They had Hakeem in the post and played inside out, we play only only from the outside. They had tons of open looks from outside, we have, well just look at the stats.

     

     



    Yes Clyde was on  the 95 team not 93/94 . That old 32 year over the hill Drexler lit up Orlando for 20.5pts/5a and 7rbs in 22 games. Hope Paul can do the same for the Celtics.

     

    Just caught your whole post.

     



    I thought it was a 4 game sweep? They played 22 against Orlando?

     

    Mentioned Drexler's age comapred to Pierce and playoff #'s above... I feel Paul can still bring a 20/7/5 this year though, Drexler aged fast, he was about the same as PP is now by 1995.




    22 playoff game average!!

     
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    Comparing players of different eras is fun but unlikely to yield reliable results. The Dream has always been one of my favorites.  

     

    As far as KG is concerned, last year, the Celtics came within one half of game seven of winning against the Heat. The whole team ran of gas without a bench. Bradley went down, so that he could not guard Wade. and we did not have Green to guard Lebron.

    KG plays limited minutes in the reguar season so his regular season game to, but when he plays extended minutes in the play-offs, he still looks pretty good, and puts up good stats. Yes, he can no longer guard ones and twos anymore, and there are even a few threes he has trouble guarding; however he is great against fours and fives. 

    For his time, there was no quicker 5 than the Dream. However, I doubt that he would score in the high twenties against KG.  KG is one of the few players ever to really play all five positions, and guard all five positiions. it is also unlikely that the Dream could use his size to out muscle KG. Hakeem was listed at 7'0" and 255 lbs.. KG is 7'1" with greater length, and he now weighs 253 lbs, not 220 like he did as a rookie.

    There was no player like the Dream when he played. Shaq and Ewing were traditional centers. KG is not. My view is that the Dream would have a much tougher time againist KG, The Dream was very quick, but KG is also still very quick. While KG is a pass first player and the Drean was the focus of the Rockets offense, KG's abiltiy to draw the Dream out of the paint would open the game for others. 

    The Celts defense and wide open offense would have made for an intersteing game between the two teams I am not sure who would win, but I would have enjoyed the game..




    Nice post about KG! In addition our 1 through 4 players are way quicker and would prevent the "Dream" from getting the ball and would be sometimes stripped. Not like the guards back then. He is one of the all time greats but the latest teams are different.

     
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    Comparing players of different eras is fun but unlikely to yield reliable results. The Dream has always been one of my favorites.  

     

    As far as KG is concerned, last year, the Celtics came within one half of game seven of winning against the Heat. The whole team ran of gas without a bench. Bradley went down, so that he could not guard Wade. and we did not have Green to guard Lebron.

    KG plays limited minutes in the reguar season so his regular season game to, but when he plays extended minutes in the play-offs, he still looks pretty good, and puts up good stats. Yes, he can no longer guard ones and twos anymore, and there are even a few threes he has trouble guarding; however he is great against fours and fives. 

    For his time, there was no quicker 5 than the Dream. However, I doubt that he would score in the high twenties against KG.  KG is one of the few players ever to really play all five positions, and guard all five positiions. it is also unlikely that the Dream could use his size to out muscle KG. Hakeem was listed at 7'0" and 255 lbs.. KG is 7'1" with greater length, and he now weighs 253 lbs, not 220 like he did as a rookie.

    There was no player like the Dream when he played. Shaq and Ewing were traditional centers. KG is not. My view is that the Dream would have a much tougher time againist KG, The Dream was very quick, but KG is also still very quick. While KG is a pass first player and the Drean was the focus of the Rockets offense, KG's abiltiy to draw the Dream out of the paint would open the game for others. 

    The Celts defense and wide open offense would have made for an intersteing game between the two teams I am not sure who would win, but I would have enjoyed the game..

     




     

    Nice post about KG! In addition our 1 through 4 players are way quicker and would prevent the "Dream" from getting the ball and would be sometimes stripped. Not like the guards back then. He is one of the all time greats but the latest teams are different.



    Your right, it is hard to compare different eras, but it can be fun.

     
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    KG, while still a great help defender, is not a great 1-1 defender anymore. And he is no great post defender anyway. Hakeem pulverized David Robinson, the reigning league MVP and one of the most athletic centers in the history of the game in a playoff series. With his (relativ) short legs and low center of gravity, he had no problems to defend Shaq in the post. I doubt that KG (at his current age) would cause the Dream (in his prime) any problems. On top the Rockets had Horry to defend KG on the perimeter (with a smiliar body like Bosh today). Are our guards are so much faster than a young Casell and Vernon Maxwell, well, I don't know.

    If I remember the games of this season: When the opponent has a scorer in the paint most of the time he can score at will against the Cs.

     
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    KG, while still a great help defender, is not a great 1-1 defender anymore. And he is no great post defender anyway. Hakeem pulverized David Robinson, the reigning league MVP and one of the most athletic centers in the history of the game in a playoff series. With his (relativ) short legs and low center of gravity, he had no problems to defend Shaq in the post. I doubt that KG (at his current age) would cause the Dream (in his prime) any problems. On top the Rockets had Horry to defend KG on the perimeter (with a smiliar body like Bosh today). Are our guards are so much faster than a young Casell and Vernon Maxwell, well, I don't know.

    If I remember the games of this season: When the opponent has a scorer in the paint most of the time he can score at will against the Cs.



    In the postseason that Hakeem destroyed Robinson/Shaq Maxwell was out o it for all but 1 game. I agree that a 32 year old Dream would rip KG, but not for anymore than the 33/11 he already averaged that postseason. Robinson was always known to be soft and not have the killer alpha dog mentality KG has and Shaq was 23 and in his first finals. KG wasn't isn't close to as skilled as them anymore, but his D on Olajuwan would still be credible.

    Horry would never really play KG, unless they stuck Hakeem on Bass or Wilcox (both of who Houston didn't have as good depth at in the frontcourt). Horry would be in a matchup with Green that Jeff would barely win out. Clyde and Pierce would be even. The Rockets guards were not going to beat our guys as they went Cassell, Elie, Chucky Brown and Kenny Smith for like 34 points a game. We'd go Avery, Williams, Lee, Crawford and Terry for like 45-50.

     
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    Never a great one on one defender? Did you guys miss 2008? Did you miss 2004?

    Hakeem used quickness that allowed him to beat the traditional Big men of his day. The Dream may have had 33/ 11 but is unlikely that he would shoot over 40% KG is the perfect foil for Hakeem, as one of the few  big men  that is quicker than the Dream. KG on the other hand would still shoot over 50%. 

    There was no other player in The Dream's time that could guard him.

     

     
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    Since this is all conjecture and make believe anyway, lets put the 2004 KG on the 2008 Celtics, and the 1994 Rockets have no chance. The Dream gets his 30 points but shoots 30%, KG gets his 25 points and shoots 50% gets 10 rebounds and 5 assists. At that time KG was quick enought to guard almost anyone at any position.

    KG is a nine time first team all NBA defensive player, and he was league MVP that year.

     
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    Since this is all conjecture and make believe anyway, lets put the 2004 KG on the 2008 Celtics, and the 1994 Rockets have no chance. The Dream gets his 30 points but shoots 30%, KG gets his 25 points and shoots 50% gets 10 rebounds and 5 assists. At that time KG was quick enought to guard almost anyone at any position.

    KG is a nine time first team all NBA defensive player, and he was league MVP that year.



    The point was to compare the '94 or '95 Rockets with 31-32 year old Hakeem to this years Celtics team with 36-37 year old KG.

    In this very thread I said that 1998-2008 KG was 90% the player Dream was in his handful of best seasons and those two in their prime would make for a rediculous one on one matchup. If you put KG from ANY of those 10 years on the 2013 Celtics they would probably beat the Heat, and if it was 2002-2006 KG they 100% would beat the Heat, that is how good KG was.

    But for the sake of this discussion you are only able to imagine how well the current KG would do on 33/11 MVP Hakeem Olajuwon.

     
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    Never a great one on one defender? Did you guys miss 2008? Did you miss 2004?

    Hakeem used quickness that allowed him to beat the traditional Big men of his day. The Dream may have had 33/ 11 but is unlikely that he would shoot over 40% KG is the perfect foil for Hakeem, as one of the few  big men  that is quicker than the Dream.



    Please read my post. I never said KG was not a great 1-1 defender. He just is not great NOW at this part of the D anymore (his help defense is tremdeous though). What I said is that defending the post was never his strengt (that doesn't mean he was bad, just not great). Now he is an average post defender at best (especially regarding his limited minutes).

    I accept that you admire KG (I love him too) but Hakeem shoot over .500 in every year until the age 34. That KG would keep him under 40 % is quite of a stretch. And don't forget Hakeem was not only an MVP but also DPOY twice himself (in the timespan we are looking at). He was a decent shooter as well.

     
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    While KG may no longer be able to defend Vince Carter, a two guard league scoring champ like he did in 2003, He held him to 9 points while scoring 37.  He is still quicker than any Center today, or in 1994. Hakeem was a great player and quicker that any Center of his day. KG is still quicker. 

    As I said, the Dream did it with quikness. Shaq used to call him Mr.Olijiwan. Ewing, Shaq and the Admiral were traditional big man centers. There was no one like KG when the Dream played, so saying that he would get his 50% against a quiker player known for his defensive ability, of the same weight, but taller and greater length, is unlikely. It is like saying KG is average, when he most surely is not. It is much more likely that KG  would cut down his shooting percentage and that the Dream would still try to score.

    But, as I said, since this is conjecture, It would be much more fun to put an even quidker KG from 2004 against a slower Hakeem in 1994.

    In the 2004 play-offs, both Wolves point guards went down to injury and so KG had to play point guard. The Lakers brought in Karl Malone to defend KG. One of the most amazing things I ever saw in the NBA was Malone trying to guard KG, standing about eight feet away from him, so that KG would not dribble around him; then seeing KG do it anyway, with an ankle breaking turn. Yes, Malone was past his prime, but wow! 

    Most Celtic fans See KG as a defensive specialist. That is because he is a team player first and does what it takes to win. However in 2004 he led the league in points, and was one of leaders in rebounds, He is also the only player in league history to score 20 points, 10 rebounds, and 5 assists for seven years in a row.

    He can still play offense when needed, but unlike most stars, he does not need to take a certain amount of shots per game to maintain his ego and he does not need lead the team in scoring. He is willing to leave that to others for the sake of the team. That is one of the things that makes him special.

     
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    We all love KG, but minor player than Hakeem have done major damage in he paint against the Cs in the last years and shooting WAY above 40 %.

    I see your opinion, but I just don't agree with it (NOT AT ALL). But that's fine. As long as you have nothing more to say than how quick KG is, we leave it like that.

     

     

     
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    We agree to disagree.

     
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    Here's the difference:

    Houston won when MJ was off playing baseball fantasy.  Unfortunately, Lebron hasn't flipped out in similar fashion.

     
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    PG-Kenny Smith 6-3 PG-Avery Bradley 6-2

         Sam Cassell 6-3 Terrence Williams 6-6

    SG-Vernon Maxwell 6-4 SG-Courtney Lee 6-6

          Mario Elie Jordan Crawford 6-5 6-4

    SF-Robert Horry 6-9 SF-Paul Pierce 6-7

                                                                  Jeff Green 6-9

    PF-Otis Thorpe 6-9 PF-Brandon Bass 6-8

         Carl Herrera DJ White 6-9 6-9

    C-Hakeem Olajuwan 6-11 C-Kevin Garnett 6-11

                                                                  Chris Wilcox 6-10

    Rockets ganaron el campeonato con una rotación hombre 8. ¿Es su equipo mejor o más profunda que la nuestra?

     

    Cierre llamada! Cassell era un novato. Horry era prácticamente un novato. Maxwell no era mejor que Courtney Lee OMI. Smith no era mejor que Bradley para mí. Thorpe no era mejor que Bass.

    Pierce, por supuesto, gana el duelo de Horry. Olajuwan gana el duelo de Garnett. Mario Elie late Crawford, pero no sé si es mejor que el T-Will. Herrera era nada comparado con Wilcox. 

    Cassell Crawford gana el partido, aunque.


    Jeff Green nos pone por encima de la parte superior. No tienen ninguna respuesta para él.

    Todavía tenemos una oportunidad de vencer a MIAMI!! 

     

    Hakeem was unstoppable in those finals (94 '95') if you want to teach someone to play center, show him these videos.
    just ask Shaq and Patrick Ewing.

     
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    KG, while still a great help defender, is not a great 1-1 defender anymore. And he is no great post defender anyway. Hakeem pulverized David Robinson, the reigning league MVP and one of the most athletic centers in the history of the game in a playoff series. With his (relativ) short legs and low center of gravity, he had no problems to defend Shaq in the post. I doubt that KG (at his current age) would cause the Dream (in his prime) any problems. On top the Rockets had Horry to defend KG on the perimeter (with a smiliar body like Bosh today). Are our guards are so much faster than a young Casell and Vernon Maxwell, well, I don't know.

    If I remember the games of this season: When the opponent has a scorer in the paint most of the time he can score at will against the Cs.

     



    In the postseason that Hakeem destroyed Robinson/Shaq Maxwell was out o it for all but 1 game. I agree that a 32 year old Dream would rip KG, but not for anymore than the 33/11 he already averaged that postseason. Robinson was always known to be soft and not have the killer alpha dog mentality KG has and Shaq was 23 and in his first finals. KG wasn't isn't close to as skilled as them anymore, but his D on Olajuwan would still be credible.

     

    Horry would never really play KG, unless they stuck Hakeem on Bass or Wilcox (both of who Houston didn't have as good depth at in the frontcourt). Horry would be in a matchup with Green that Jeff would barely win out. Clyde and Pierce would be even. The Rockets guards were not going to beat our guys as they went Cassell, Elie, Chucky Brown and Kenny Smith for like 34 points a game. We'd go Avery, Williams, Lee, Crawford and Terry for like 45-50.



    The general comparison of the Celtics to the Rockets that won two world titles is a good one.  The Rockets lucked out with Jordan not being around.  We have better young players than the Rockets and probably have no one to rival Akeem the Dream.  But we have three playoff savvy veteran, two of which are hall of famers so who knows. We don't until it happens.  Based on last year we have a very legitimate chance and at this point it should not be diminished.

     

    Fierce keeps talking about Indiana and the Knicks which I have no fear at all about, if we as a team are in the right place in two months.   Even if Indiana beats us by twenty tonight I still am confident we can beat them in a playoff series.  The Heat look unbeatable but they did last year and we had them beat.  If we ever get them down 3 to 2 we will never let them beat us again.   REmember game 2 was stolen from us last year. Wade fouled Rondo and there was no call. Wade kicked Garnett and got a three point play.  The refs unfortunately could it make so the Heat cannot be beat.  And that is something to worry about as it was with the Lakers in 2010.

     
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    KG, while still a great help defender, is not a great 1-1 defender anymore. And he is no great post defender anyway. Hakeem pulverized David Robinson, the reigning league MVP and one of the most athletic centers in the history of the game in a playoff series. With his (relativ) short legs and low center of gravity, he had no problems to defend Shaq in the post. I doubt that KG (at his current age) would cause the Dream (in his prime) any problems. On top the Rockets had Horry to defend KG on the perimeter (with a smiliar body like Bosh today). Are our guards are so much faster than a young Casell and Vernon Maxwell, well, I don't know.

    If I remember the games of this season: When the opponent has a scorer in the paint most of the time he can score at will against the Cs.

     



    In the postseason that Hakeem destroyed Robinson/Shaq Maxwell was out o it for all but 1 game. I agree that a 32 year old Dream would rip KG, but not for anymore than the 33/11 he already averaged that postseason. Robinson was always known to be soft and not have the killer alpha dog mentality KG has and Shaq was 23 and in his first finals. KG wasn't isn't close to as skilled as them anymore, but his D on Olajuwan would still be credible.

     

    Horry would never really play KG, unless they stuck Hakeem on Bass or Wilcox (both of who Houston didn't have as good depth at in the frontcourt). Horry would be in a matchup with Green that Jeff would barely win out. Clyde and Pierce would be even. The Rockets guards were not going to beat our guys as they went Cassell, Elie, Chucky Brown and Kenny Smith for like 34 points a game. We'd go Avery, Williams, Lee, Crawford and Terry for like 45-50.

     



    The general comparison of the Celtics to the Rockets that won two world titles is a good one.  The Rockets lucked out with Jordan not being around.  We have better young players than the Rockets and probably have no one to rival Akeem the Dream.  But we have three playoff savvy veteran, two of which are hall of famers so who knows. We don't until it happens.  Based on last year we have a very legitimate chance and at this point it should not be diminished.

     

     

    Fierce keeps talking about Indiana and the Knicks which I have no fear at all about, if we as a team are in the right place in two months.   Even if Indiana beats us by twenty tonight I still am confident we can beat them in a playoff series.  The Heat look unbeatable but they did last year and we had them beat.  If we ever get them down 3 to 2 we will never let them beat us again.   REmember game 2 was stolen from us last year. Wade fouled Rondo and there was no call. Wade kicked Garnett and got a three point play.  The refs unfortunately could it make so the Heat cannot be beat.  And that is something to worry about as it was with the Lakers in 2010.



    +1000

    great post, all true, although I worry about Indy with homecourt a little bit 

     
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    KG, while still a great help defender, is not a great 1-1 defender anymore. And he is no great post defender anyway. Hakeem pulverized David Robinson, the reigning league MVP and one of the most athletic centers in the history of the game in a playoff series. With his (relativ) short legs and low center of gravity, he had no problems to defend Shaq in the post. I doubt that KG (at his current age) would cause the Dream (in his prime) any problems. On top the Rockets had Horry to defend KG on the perimeter (with a smiliar body like Bosh today). Are our guards are so much faster than a young Casell and Vernon Maxwell, well, I don't know.

    If I remember the games of this season: When the opponent has a scorer in the paint most of the time he can score at will against the Cs.

     



    In the postseason that Hakeem destroyed Robinson/Shaq Maxwell was out o it for all but 1 game. I agree that a 32 year old Dream would rip KG, but not for anymore than the 33/11 he already averaged that postseason. Robinson was always known to be soft and not have the killer alpha dog mentality KG has and Shaq was 23 and in his first finals. KG wasn't isn't close to as skilled as them anymore, but his D on Olajuwan would still be credible.

     

    Horry would never really play KG, unless they stuck Hakeem on Bass or Wilcox (both of who Houston didn't have as good depth at in the frontcourt). Horry would be in a matchup with Green that Jeff would barely win out. Clyde and Pierce would be even. The Rockets guards were not going to beat our guys as they went Cassell, Elie, Chucky Brown and Kenny Smith for like 34 points a game. We'd go Avery, Williams, Lee, Crawford and Terry for like 45-50.

     



    The general comparison of the Celtics to the Rockets that won two world titles is a good one.  The Rockets lucked out with Jordan not being around.  We have better young players than the Rockets and probably have no one to rival Akeem the Dream.  But we have three playoff savvy veteran, two of which are hall of famers so who knows. We don't until it happens.  Based on last year we have a very legitimate chance and at this point it should not be diminished.

     

     

    Fierce keeps talking about Indiana and the Knicks which I have no fear at all about, if we as a team are in the right place in two months.   Even if Indiana beats us by twenty tonight I still am confident we can beat them in a playoff series.  The Heat look unbeatable but they did last year and we had them beat.  If we ever get them down 3 to 2 we will never let them beat us again.   REmember game 2 was stolen from us last year. Wade fouled Rondo and there was no call. Wade kicked Garnett and got a three point play.  The refs unfortunately could it make so the Heat cannot be beat.  And that is something to worry about as it was with the Lakers in 2010.

     



    +1000

     

    great post, all true, although I worry about Indy with homecourt a little bit 



    Absolutely something to worry about,  I was responding to the nonsense that we can't beat Indy or the Knicks.  No guarantees but I like our  chances a lot if we have no more significant injuries.

    We have to play well and keep the dream alive with Garnett and Pierce.  This can be played like it is their last hurrah.  Don't forget Terry either, all those who complained about him will be loving him in the playoffs. The guy comes alive in the fourth quarter when it counts.

     

     

     
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    KG, while still a great help defender, is not a great 1-1 defender anymore. And he is no great post defender anyway. Hakeem pulverized David Robinson, the reigning league MVP and one of the most athletic centers in the history of the game in a playoff series. With his (relativ) short legs and low center of gravity, he had no problems to defend Shaq in the post. I doubt that KG (at his current age) would cause the Dream (in his prime) any problems. On top the Rockets had Horry to defend KG on the perimeter (with a smiliar body like Bosh today). Are our guards are so much faster than a young Casell and Vernon Maxwell, well, I don't know.

    If I remember the games of this season: When the opponent has a scorer in the paint most of the time he can score at will against the Cs.

     



    In the postseason that Hakeem destroyed Robinson/Shaq Maxwell was out o it for all but 1 game. I agree that a 32 year old Dream would rip KG, but not for anymore than the 33/11 he already averaged that postseason. Robinson was always known to be soft and not have the killer alpha dog mentality KG has and Shaq was 23 and in his first finals. KG wasn't isn't close to as skilled as them anymore, but his D on Olajuwan would still be credible.

     

    Horry would never really play KG, unless they stuck Hakeem on Bass or Wilcox (both of who Houston didn't have as good depth at in the frontcourt). Horry would be in a matchup with Green that Jeff would barely win out. Clyde and Pierce would be even. The Rockets guards were not going to beat our guys as they went Cassell, Elie, Chucky Brown and Kenny Smith for like 34 points a game. We'd go Avery, Williams, Lee, Crawford and Terry for like 45-50.

     



    The general comparison of the Celtics to the Rockets that won two world titles is a good one.  The Rockets lucked out with Jordan not being around.  We have better young players than the Rockets and probably have no one to rival Akeem the Dream.  But we have three playoff savvy veteran, two of which are hall of famers so who knows. We don't until it happens.  Based on last year we have a very legitimate chance and at this point it should not be diminished.

     

     

    Fierce keeps talking about Indiana and the Knicks which I have no fear at all about, if we as a team are in the right place in two months.   Even if Indiana beats us by twenty tonight I still am confident we can beat them in a playoff series.  The Heat look unbeatable but they did last year and we had them beat.  If we ever get them down 3 to 2 we will never let them beat us again.   REmember game 2 was stolen from us last year. Wade fouled Rondo and there was no call. Wade kicked Garnett and got a three point play.  The refs unfortunately could it make so the Heat cannot be beat.  And that is something to worry about as it was with the Lakers in 2010.

     



    +1000

     

    great post, all true, although I worry about Indy with homecourt a little bit 

     



    Absolutely something to worry about,  I was responding to the nonsense that we can't beat Indy or the Knicks.  No guarantees but I like our  chances a lot if we have no more significant injuries.

     

    We have to play well and keep the dream alive with Garnett and Pierce.  This can be played like it is their last hurrah.  Don't forget Terry either, all those who complained about him will be loving him in the playoffs. The guy comes alive in the fourth quarter when it counts.

     

     

     




    Someone actually said we CAN'T beat the Pacers or the Knicks? Yeeesh, that is ignorance.

     

    I feel both those series would go 6-7, if they went 6 is would be b/c the C's would win at home, if they went 7 it would be a 50-50 game where the less experienced teams homecourt advantage evened them up with a battle tested team led by champions KG, Pierce and Terry. Other than Chandler 40 year old JKidd there are no champions on those squads. The C's (and Pierce) also own MSG.

    That game 7 would come down to all the little things like execution in the halfcourt, limiting turnovers, the extra effort on loose balls and thr glass, the refs fairly calling the game and who has the stones (and fresh legs) in the 4th quarter.

    C's can easily beat those 2 teams, or they could lose a crusher in a higher seeds house... but no way anyone can claim now that we won't beat them.... thats idiocy.

     
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    Re: Let's compare this team to the 1994 NBA champion Houston Rockets

    In response to concord27's comment:

    The general comparison of the Celtics to the Rockets that won two world titles is a good one.  The Rockets lucked out with Jordan not being around.  





    I'm not sure about that. Actually the Rockets (due to Hakeem) always gave the Bulls fits (with MJ as well). Who could have defended Hakeem (Luc Longley or Bill Wallington, ouch).

     
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    Re: Let's compare this team to the 1994 NBA champion Houston Rockets

    The Rockets barely beat the Knicks in '94 needing to win games 6 and 7 at home and got lucky when John Starks shot like 1-14. We know the Knicks played the Bulls tough but that had a lot to do with thuggery and so on... I never felt chicago was in danger of losing to NY in the early 90's and if the Bulls had homecourt there is no way they would not have lost to the Rockets if MJ never 'retired'

     
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    Re: Let's compare this team to the 1994 NBA champion Houston Rockets

    In football (soccer) the best teams normally wins a title. In BB it is all about matchups.

    Of course it is possible that the Bulls would have defeated the Rockets, but it is by far not as clear as you make it.

    Let us look at the RS records of the bulls and the Rockets until 95:

    1984 Houston 2 - 0 Chicago
    1985 Houston 2 - 0 Chicago
    1986 Houston 1 - 1 Chicago
    1987 Houston 2 - 0 Chicago
    1988 Houston 0 - 2 Chicago
    1989 Houston 1 - 1 Chicago
    1990 Houston 1 - 1 Chicago
    1991 Houston 2 - 0 Chicago
    1992 Houston 1 - 1 Chicago
    1993 Houston 2 - 0 Chicago
    1994 Houston 1 - 1 Chicago
    1995 Houston 1 - 1 Chicago

    Like I mentioned, the Rockets always gave MJ fits (5-1 in the era ot the first threepeat). Interesting articel is here:

    http://voices.yahoo.com/if-michael-jordan-didnt-retire-1993-would-chicago-3538951.html

    Even more interesing an interview of Jordan:

    http://www.cigaraficionado.com/webfeatures/show/id/One-on-One-with-Michael-Jordan_6189/p/5

    Jordan Picks a center for his "Dream Team": "It's going to be somewhat biased because I didn't play back in the days of Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Russell, some of the great stars prior to me. And it's very tough because I'm friends with a lot of players today.

    But if I had to pick a center, I would take Olajuwon. That leaves out Shaq, Patrick Ewing. It leaves out Wilt Chamberlain. It leaves out a lot of people. And the reason I would take Olajuwon is very simple: he is so versatile because of what he can give you from that position. It's not just his scoring, not just his rebounding or not just his blocked shots. People don't realize he was in the top seven in steals. He always made great decisions on the court. For all facets of the game, I have to give it to him."

    Somewhere else I have read that Jordan called "The Dream" the best player in the league (during his baseball break).

     
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    Re: Let's compare this team to the 1994 NBA champion Houston Rockets

    In response to Gasthoerer's comment:

    In football (soccer) the best teams normally wins a title. In BB it is all about matchups.

    Of course it is possible that the Bulls would have defeated the Rockets, but it is by far not as clear as you make it.

    Let us look at the RS records of the bulls and the Rockets until 95:

    1984 Houston 2 - 0 Chicago
    1985 Houston 2 - 0 Chicago
    1986 Houston 1 - 1 Chicago
    1987 Houston 2 - 0 Chicago
    1988 Houston 0 - 2 Chicago
    1989 Houston 1 - 1 Chicago
    1990 Houston 1 - 1 Chicago
    1991 Houston 2 - 0 Chicago
    1992 Houston 1 - 1 Chicago
    1993 Houston 2 - 0 Chicago
    1994 Houston 1 - 1 Chicago
    1995 Houston 1 - 1 Chicago

    Like I mentioned, the Rockets always gave MJ fits (5-1 in the era ot the first threepeat). Interesting articel is here:

    http://voices.yahoo.com/if-michael-jordan-didnt-retire-1993-would-chicago-3538951.html

    Even more interesing an interview of Jordan:

    http://www.cigaraficionado.com/webfeatures/show/id/One-on-One-with-Michael-Jordan_6189/p/5

    Jordan Picks a center for his "Dream Team": "It's going to be somewhat biased because I didn't play back in the days of Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Russell, some of the great stars prior to me. And it's very tough because I'm friends with a lot of players today.

    But if I had to pick a center, I would take Olajuwon. That leaves out Shaq, Patrick Ewing. It leaves out Wilt Chamberlain. It leaves out a lot of people. And the reason I would take Olajuwon is very simple: he is so versatile because of what he can give you from that position. It's not just his scoring, not just his rebounding or not just his blocked shots. People don't realize he was in the top seven in steals. He always made great decisions on the court. For all facets of the game, I have to give it to him."

    Somewhere else I have read that Jordan called "The Dream" the best player in the league (during his baseball break).



    I wonder how many here actually saw Hakeem play or are going by stats alone?  Not taking anything away from KG but the dream was a absolute stud as well.  It would be a tough choice taking one over the other and you couldn't go wrong with either.  For every reason you pick one I can give you a reason to take the other.

     
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    Re: Let's compare this team to the 1994 NBA champion Houston Rockets

    I love K.G., but Olajuwan at his best versus K.G. at his best would leave Garnett a little humbled. Olajuwan at his peak was the best big man I've ever witnessed. He was a cross between Chamberlain and Russell. Best way I can put it. A Dream!!!!

     
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    Re: Let's compare this team to the 1994 NBA champion Houston Rockets

    Well I know that I can remember Hakeem, since I can remember back to '88... but Da def can't since his memories start post '99 lockout...

    Anyhow, 2 regular season games, with the back to backs and all that associated with them don't mean a whole lot to me. Sure the Rockets would have been a hard team for Chicago, harder than any team other than maybe the Jazz... but in a 7 game series with homecourt there is almost no chance they lose in '94.

     

     
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    Re: Let's compare this team to the 1994 NBA champion Houston Rockets

    In '95, if the Bulls had lost Horace Grant, and the 14/10 he gave the previous 3 years, and not yet replaced him with Rodman, I bet the Rockets could have beat them.

    Everyone says MJ was rusty upon his return and that was why they lost to the Magic (Nick Anderson's steal highlighted that theory), but really it was taking Grant off the Bulls and putting him on the Magic that swung that series. He averaged an 18/11 in the series. 

     
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