list of UFA Centers for the off-season W/Current Salarys

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    Dwight Howard is too expensive and he's a headcase

    Bynum is a huge risk, a headcase, and too expensive

     

    Al Jefferson is worth $8M , but he plays no defense...

     

    The absolute best player available with the most upside is Tiago Splitter , if the Celtics can sign him for $8M (first year) then that would be a dream come true....

    Giving Al Jefferson more than $8M for 5 yrs will lock the Celtics into mediocracy for the forseeable  future....

    .500 and first round playoff exits at best......would rather let Pierce and KG play it out and get into the lottery......

     



    The owners will not want to pay Pierce 15.3m next season.

     

    DeAndre Jordan is getting 11m per year. Big Al is way better than Jordan.




    This is an interesting question. If we do want to get into the lottery next year then the best thing for us to do is to trade for picks + expiring contracts or young developing players. The worst thing we could do is get a guy like DeAndre Jordan who is trying to get better and pair him with AB, Rondo Sullinger, Green (all trying to get better) and expect us to lose. Same with Vets who don't want to squander their last basketball years.

    So the best thing to do if we want to get into the lottery is collect draft picks by sending out Lee, Bass, Terry, KG, and buy out PP. We Keep the China crowd to develop their talent. We start Sullinger & Melo. We make Rondo take his time coming back from surgery. And we make Green the go-to guy so he can continue to grow into that role.

     

    So, the question is: Can we lose enough games with Rondo, Bradley, Green, Sullinger, Melo as our starting 5?

    The other question is around timing on Rondo & AB's window. They have two more years under contract each, if next year is lost to 'rebuilding' then that means we have 1 more year with these two before they both are up for much more money. I could see R9R getting close to max, AB's salary will likely double.

     
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    Signing Big Al for a reasonable contract makes him an asset. The Celts can later include him in a package for a blockbuster deal.



    But he earns 15 / year. That is not reasonable. Will he give us such a discount to play for the lottery? I doubt it, but if he comes for < 9 / year I'm in.

     
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    Re: list of UFA Centers for the off-season W/Current Salarys

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    If the Celts amnesty Pierce and KG retires, the Celts can go after Dwight, Big Al, or Josh Smith.

    The Celts can only use the amnesty up to 2015. And the only players the Celts can amnesty are Rondo, Bradley, and Pierce.

    Might as well use the amnesty now where it will free up a lot of cap space.

     


    They won't amnesty Rondo or Bradley so apparently you are saying that Pierce s/b amnestied to save $5MM ???

    That's just ridiculous!!!


    If the C's want to dump Pierce w/o taking back another player in return they might be able to trade him for a draft pick and a Traded Player Exception that could be used for another player. Amnestying Pierce s/b a last ditch option ....

     

     
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    If the Celts amnesty Pierce and KG retires, the Celts can go after Dwight, Big Al, or Josh Smith.

    The Celts can only use the amnesty up to 2015. And the only players the Celts can amnesty are Rondo, Bradley, and Pierce.

    Might as well use the amnesty now where it will free up a lot of cap space.

     


    They won't amnesty Rondo or Bradley so apparently you are saying that Pierce s/b amnestied to save $5MM ???

    That's just ridiculous!!!


    If the C's want to dump Pierce w/o taking back another player in return they might be able to trade him for a draft pick and a Traded Player Exception that could be used for another player. Amnestying Pierce s/b a last ditch option ....

     



    If KG retires and the C's are going to try and get as much cap space as possible then they might as well amnesty Pierce, it saves his 5m buyout from being on our cap.

    In that situation it would come down to what has more value, PP's 15.3m in a trade, whatever we get with around the same amount of cap space, or seeing PP retire a Celtic.

     
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    If the Celts amnesty Pierce and KG retires, the Celts can go after Dwight, Big Al, or Josh Smith.

    The Celts can only use the amnesty up to 2015. And the only players the Celts can amnesty are Rondo, Bradley, and Pierce.

    Might as well use the amnesty now where it will free up a lot of cap space.

     


    They won't amnesty Rondo or Bradley so apparently you are saying that Pierce s/b amnestied to save $5MM ???

    That's just ridiculous!!!


    If the C's want to dump Pierce w/o taking back another player in return they might be able to trade him for a draft pick and a Traded Player Exception that could be used for another player. Amnestying Pierce s/b a last ditch option ....

     

     



    If KG retires and the C's are going to try and get as much cap space as possible then they might as well amnesty Pierce, it saves his 5m buyout from being on our cap.

     

    In that situation it would come down to what has more value, PP's 15.3m in a trade, whatever we get with around the same amount of cap space, or seeing PP retire a Celtic.




    They should save the amnesty option just in case Rondo isn't the same after surgery and becomes untradeable. Not worth wasting it for $5MM when they can easily work out a payment schedule with Pierce say over three years agreeing to bring him back to finish his career as a Celtic.

    And if you do get cap space as a result of cutting both KG and Pierce, wouldn't it make more sense to offer MN Restricted FA Pekovic a contract that they won't match like $10M, $12MM, $13MM & $15MM rather than pursuing Big AL ???

     
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    Re: list of UFA Centers for the off-season W/Current Salarys

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    Since most of us think a true center is our biggest need, I thought of a list of those UFA next year was in order. I show current salary's for this year also.

    so go shopping, rememebr to stay in the Cap though...what would we have again Fierce....one $5M deal idf Pierce and KG are back?

    $13M if they both leave (best case scenario, no trade)?

     

    Position Player Team Salary C D. Howard LAL 19.536M C A. Bynum Phil 16.889M C A. Jefferson Utah 15.0M C A. Biedrins GS 9.0M C C. Kaman Dal 8.0M C D. Diop Char 7.372M C S. Dalmebert Mil 6.698M C Z. Pachulia Atl 5.248M C M. Speights Clev 4.2M C T. Splitter SA 3.944M C J. Petro Atl 3.5M C C. Aldrich Sac 2.445M C N. Mohammed Chic 1.352M C J. Przybilla Mil 1.352M C J.O'Neal Phoe 1.352M C J. Collins Wash 1.352M C A. Blatche Brk 1.146M C R. Turiaf LAC 1.146M C R. Hollins LAC 1.069M C C. Andersen Mia .540M




    You forgot Mozgov at Den $2.8MM

     
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    Since most of us think a true center is our biggest need, I thought of a list of those UFA next year was in order. I show current salary's for this year also.

    so go shopping, rememebr to stay in the Cap though...what would we have again Fierce....one $5M deal idf Pierce and KG are back?

    $13M if they both leave (best case scenario, no trade)?

     

    Position Player Team SalaryC D. Howard LAL 19.536M C A. Bynum Phil 16.889M C A. Jefferson Utah 15.0M C A. Biedrins GS 9.0M C C. Kaman Dal 8.0M C D. Diop Char 7.372M C S. Dalmebert Mil 6.698M C Z. Pachulia Atl 5.248M C M. Speights Clev 4.2M C T. Splitter SA 3.944M C J. Petro Atl 3.5M C C. Aldrich Sac 2.445M C N. Mohammed Chic 1.352M C J. Przybilla Mil 1.352M C J.O'Neal Phoe 1.352M C J. Collins Wash 1.352M C A. Blatche Brk 1.146M C R. Turiaf LAC 1.146M C R. Hollins LAC 1.069M C C. Andersen Mia .540M

     




    You forgot Mozgov at Den $2.8MM

     




    I have Mozgov listed as a RFA..and not on this list of UFA's.

     

     

     
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    Since most of us think a true center is our biggest need, I thought of a list of those UFA next year was in order. I show current salary's for this year also.

    so go shopping, rememebr to stay in the Cap though...what would we have again Fierce....one $5M deal idf Pierce and KG are back?

    $13M if they both leave (best case scenario, no trade)?

     

    Position Player Team SalaryC D. Howard LAL 19.536M C A. Bynum Phil 16.889M C A. Jefferson Utah 15.0M C A. Biedrins GS 9.0M C C. Kaman Dal 8.0M C D. Diop Char 7.372M C S. Dalmebert Mil 6.698M C Z. Pachulia Atl 5.248M C M. Speights Clev 4.2M C T. Splitter SA 3.944M C J. Petro Atl 3.5M C C. Aldrich Sac 2.445M C N. Mohammed Chic 1.352M C J. Przybilla Mil 1.352M C J.O'Neal Phoe 1.352M C J. Collins Wash 1.352M C A. Blatche Brk 1.146M C R. Turiaf LAC 1.146M C R. Hollins LAC 1.069M C C. Andersen Mia .540M

     




    You forgot Mozgov at Den $2.8MM

     

     




    I have Mozgov listed as a RFA..and not on this list of UFA's.

     

     

     

     




    Hoopshype shows him as UFA ... No qualifying offer by Denver .... ????

    http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/227231/Timofey-Mozgov-Isnt-Focused-On-Upcoming-Free-Agency

     

     
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    Myself I'd like Splitter for around $8 M/1st year, if he could be had for that.

     

    We'd still need to move a SG for either a BU Point or a BU SF.

     

    we could draft another young center then like Dieng and hope either he or Melo could actually play BU to Splitter.

    With Bass & Sully at PF

     

    Green and vet from trade at SF

     

    Rondo

    Bradley

    Lee or Terry

    Crawford

    Williams

    we'd still have maybe another $4M to use also.

     
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    They won't amnesty Rondo or Bradley so apparently you are saying that Pierce s/b amnestied to save $5MM ???

     

    That's just ridiculous!!!


    If the C's want to dump Pierce w/o taking back another player in return they might be able to trade him for a draft pick and a Traded Player Exception that could be used for another player. Amnestying Pierce s/b a last ditch option ....

     

     



    If KG retires and the C's are going to try and get as much cap space as possible then they might as well amnesty Pierce, it saves his 5m buyout from being on our cap.

     

    In that situation it would come down to what has more value, PP's 15.3m in a trade, whatever we get with around the same amount of cap space, or seeing PP retire a Celtic.

     




    They should save the amnesty option just in case Rondo isn't the same after surgery and becomes untradeable. Not worth wasting it for $5MM when they can easily work out a payment schedule with Pierce say over three years agreeing to bring him back to finish his career as a Celtic.

     

    And if you do get cap space as a result of cutting both KG and Pierce, wouldn't it make more sense to offer MN Restricted FA Pekovic a contract that they won't match like $10M, $12MM, $13MM & $15MM rather than pursuing Big AL ???

     



    Look at it from Pierce's point of view. If Pierce gets amnestied, the Celts gets rid of 15.3m and Pierce gets paid 15.3m. The Celts get the cap space, Pierce gets the money.

     

    Remember, when you amnesty, the salary is removed from the payroll but the player still gets paid.

    So if you're Pierce you would prefer getting 15.3m instead of just 5m, right?




    Weren't you the one here just whining about how cheap the owners of the C's are???

     
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    Mployee

    You're delusional.

    Who would want to trade for a soon to be 36-year old Paul Pierce and pay him 15.3m next season?

    Be realistic!

     




    I was just saying that was a possibility if another team thought he could get them over the top in exchange for a draft pick and a TPE but agree thats not likely when they can just wait for the C's to waive/buy him out for $5MM and then pick him up as a FA.

     

     
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    Weren't you the one here just whining about how cheap the owners of the C's are???

     

     

    You're really not very bright.

    Amnestying Pierce is a guarantee that the Celts will never enter repeater tax territory.

    The Celts will save more money in the long run by making sure they don't pay repeater tax.

     




    Give it up with the Repeater Tax already ... they aren't gonna be above the apron three years in a row.

     

     
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    Weren't you the one here just whining about how cheap the owners of the C's are???

     

     

    You're really not very bright.

    Amnestying Pierce is a guarantee that the Celts will never enter repeater tax territory.

    The Celts will save more money in the long run by making sure they don't pay repeater tax.

     




    Give it up with the Repeater Tax already ... they aren't gonna be above the apron three years in a row.

     

     



    Waiving Pierce or amnestying Pierce means the Celts got rid of Pierce. If you're Paul Pierce what would you prefer, getting waived and ending up with 5m or getting amnestied and ending up keeping the 15.3m?

     

    There more advantages to amnestying Pierce than waiving him.

    For example, if KG is true to his word, that he will retire if Pierce is no longer a Celtic, the Celts will have enough cap space to go after Big Al. But only if the Celts amnesty Pierce. If the Celts waive Pierce and KG officially retires, the Celts will not have enough cap space to go after Big Al. 



    How do you know this?

    Right now the team salary is $73MM ...

    If Pierce is bot out for $5MM they can agree to a payment schedule to minimize the affect on the cap hold per the CBA.

    >> The waiving team continues to pay the guaranteed portion of the terminated contract. For contracts signed or extended before the current CBA took effect, the team and player may negotiate a revised payment schedule . The revised payment schedule may call for the guaranteed portion of the player's salary to be paid over a longer or shorter period of time than originally specified in the contract, or even as a lump sum.<<

    http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q98

     

    So the $5MM guaranteed portion can be paid over three years costing the C's only $1.7MM per year. That brings the Team Salary down to $60MM.

    If KG were to retire that would bring the team salary down to $48.5MM. If the new Team Salary were to be set at $62MM then the C's have $13.5MM available for a free agent.

    What's to preclude them from signing Jefferson or Pekovic with a back end loaded contract?

    They can offer 4 yrs/$50MM paid over the contract as follows;  Yr 1) $8MM,  Yr 2) $10MM,  Yr 3) $15MM,  and Yr 4) $17MM .

    That only uses $8MM of the $13.5MM available for free agents this year or an additional $5.5MM for another free agent!!!

    You sell that to the players' agent that this way we can add another player to help the team and their client become a contender quicker since we are only in need of another point guard and maybe a shooter or forward.

     
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