Looking At The Big Picture

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    i am with you on that,but thats going to be hard to do.the celtics may be more talented than first thought and its hard to stop talent.like i said earlier tanking or not there are certain teams you want the celtics to beat-miami,chicago,indiana etc.,in this situation trying to get a top draft pick i really dont care if lose to non-contenders.

     
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    According to lame rame, anybody that thinks the Celts will not win 30 games is an absolute fool.

    A lot of us here don't want that to happen for obvious reasons.

    Why miss an opportunity to get a franchise player in the 2014 Draft?

     

    Sure the Celts can get 30 wins if Rondo returns this December.

    But why go after 30 wins or more, make the playoffs, and get eliminated in the 1st round by the Heat or Pacers?

     

    Every NBA fan knows Derrick Rose could have played in the playoffs last season.

    But why did the Bulls and Rose himself agree that it's best if Rose doesn't play the entire 2012-13 season?

     

    There are a lot of things Ainge can do to prevent getting 30 wins.

    Us Celtic fans already witnessed this in 2006-07 when the Celts had an 18-game losing streak.

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    agree. I believe we had more talented players in 06-07 and we also had a true center at that time.

    no pg and no true center = lottery

     
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    agree. I believe we had more talented players in 06-07 and we also had a true center at that time.

    no pg and no true center = lottery

     

     



    Agree.

     

     

    We had Big Al, Pierce, Szczerbiak, Tony Allen, Delonte, Gomes, Perk, and Rondo.

    But that season the Celts only won 24 games.

     




     

    thats why i dont think we will have a better record than 06-07 season.

     
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    Re: Looking At The Big Picture

    We just won 3 in a row and beat the world champs.

    All we had to do was put Crawford and Pressey at the point, and bench Faverani, and we are a different team.

    We will win more than 30 games.

     
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    Re: Looking At The Big Picture

    What's wrong with trying to win as many games as possible?

    What's wrong with being in most games with a chance to win in the 4th quarter?

    Not that it is going to happen with the raw young talent on board, what's wrong if the C's win 35 games?

    Winning creates positive reinforcements and confidence, and sets up a basis for future improvements. We've tanked before in the hopes for more ping-pong balls.  Did not work out so well.  Also, if 2014 is supposed to be a deep draft, surely with a couple first rounders, there is an opportunity to package and move up (if not happy with mid-to-late positions).

    Just saying!

    Red Sox 2013 World Series Champs.  Patriots 2014 Super Bowl Champs???!!!

     
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    In response to chris33's comment:
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    We just won 3 in a row and beat the world champs.

    All we had to do was put Crawford and Pressey at the point, and bench Faverani, and we are a different team.

    We will win more than 30 games.

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    After winning 3 in  a row, we are closer to last place in the conference than first.  I am NOT a  proponent of tanking, just don't think people should get over  excited about this team. 

    We will be fun to watch, and win a few games like the other night in MIA.  But, bottom line is we are a lottery team......even if we win 30 games!

     
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    Try this we we win this year and actually exceed last years team and have 3 1sts and cap space. Losing to win just doesn't make sense on so many levels I can't even begin to cite. Do us both a favor and don't try and tell me that you're being realistic,reality is what is not the paid by the word vitriol,reality is what is. I see that reality as having an over rated coach that refused to adapt and a core of once HOF level players that have passed their HOF days being replaced with a superior coach and less proven but athletically gifted,talented and younger players. I expected this group to start off slow and as the familarise themselves get increasingly better and better. There is a tipping point when experienced becomes aged and tried and true becomes stubborn and dogmatic, that was our situation. It is a fine line between learning from the past and being doomed to repeat it.

    Before we made a trade in 07 we had suffered through a drought of rings that last 25+ years. DA went and got us 2 legit superstars and traded down to get a player that would fit in with those players and had enough cap space to aquire some quality vets short term and had immediate success!  After the initial success we came close but were never able to repeat our intial success. We had so much invested in roster that we had almost zero flexibility whether it be financial,style of play or who plays what role and that became more problematic as the team was kept intact trying to tweek instead of evolving foward. Players were brought in that were expected to replace lost parts, not contribute according to their talents and were given extremely limited chances to do anything else so they under achieved.

    DA saw enough of this and decided we needed to upgrade. He replaced a popular and respected yet dogmatic coach with a newer and more innovative coach. He got excellent trade in value for our aged reminents of the 08 championship team. He gave us internal flexibilty getting him the chance to see what what our newer players were capable of without the shackles of having to be replacements.

    Now we have a team that after this season has a large amount of financial flexibility, a boat load of 1st round draft picks and realistically as much talent as we did the previous year, add to that we picked an under valued draft pick that has contributed immedietly. I know some are now saying, What? hear me out; Wallace, Humpty,Bogans and Brooks, today, have the abilities to  be contributors as KG,PP and JET, this year, not as compared to their past. We also have an unique opportunity to evaluate all these new pieces productivity,chemistry and position in actual regular season for a month or two before making any roster adjustments . The fact that  we've been competetive alreaday is a bonus.

    What "The big picture" is just that it is what is, not what will be or can be, that's reality for our team just as it is for all of us fans. Our success depends on how we deal with the situations that are presenbted to us today regardless of our perception of if they're positive or negative. Success has always been accomplished by seeing things and acting to your needs and goals not trying to copy someone elses success or expecting to follow some step by step map. People who are always waiting or hoping for the ideal situations to succeed rarely do, the ones who do succeed like this have a name, lottery winners. Depending on winning the lottery to be successful is usually pure folly,however using the assetts you have to their highest potential and relying concerted effort gives one one a much better chance at seeing your hopes come to fruition. That my friends is the big picture. 

     
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    Couple of thoughts on tanking. A simple look at the numbers tell you its not a great idea. The worst team only has a 25% chance of getting the 1st pick, the second worst a 20% chance and so on.  It is not good business to bank on an outcome that you have only a 1 in 4 chance of getting. On average you will lose 3 out of 4 times. Infact, since the weighted lottery system introduced in 1990, only three teams with the worst record went on to win the lottery while only four teams with the second-worst record have won the lottery. Now, people will argue that "this is the deepest draft since 2003" or some such thing, implying that the first five or so will be like nuber ones. I find that hard to believe, mostly because it is entirely unprecedented. Consider 2003. Obviously Lebron is a keeper, but he never won anything for the team that drafted him. Wade won one by himselfy, but it was kind of a fluke - the pre-Lebron Heat were in no way a year-in, year-out dynasty. Melo has never come close, and also left the team that drafted him. Would you really want to build around Bosh? And Darko - enough said... In summary, tanking is not good business. Fans don't come = lost revenue. Team becomes even more unattractive to free agents. Talent becomes undervalued due to losing = less trade value. Furthermore, as touched upon earlier, even if you get a one or a two, there is a good chance they will leave as soon as they can because you have basically created an awful team in order to get them. And yes, there is Durant, who is yet to win a thing... 

     
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    Re: Looking At The Big Picture

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    The Celts don't need to get the #1 pick, the Celts only need to get a top 3 or top 5 pick.

    Just because the Celts beat Miami on lucky shot, it doesn't mean the Celtics are a playoff team already.

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    I agree - just looked at the standings.  Tell me, who of these 8 teams can we beat right now in a 7 game series?

     

    MIA

    IND

    CHI

    BKN

    NYK

    CLE

    ATL

    WAS

    ??

    One could argue that we might stand a chance against CLE, ATL or WAS.  I would agree, but injuries and trades WILL happen......and we will end up out of the playoffs!

    We will have occasional good nights against teams like MIA, but overall.......lottery!

     

     
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    Re: Looking At The Big Picture

    it is better to beat the elite teams to let them know they can do it,but as the team is currently constructed beating the miami heat,pacers,etc. in a seven game series...hmmm?next year more likely this year?

     
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    Re: Looking At The Big Picture

    In response to Fierce34's comment:
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    According to lame rame, anybody that thinks the Celts will not win 30 games is an absolute fool.

    A lot of us here don't want that to happen for obvious reasons.

    Why miss an opportunity to get a franchise player in the 2014 Draft?

     

    Sure the Celts can get 30 wins if Rondo returns this December.

    But why go after 30 wins or more, make the playoffs, and get eliminated in the 1st round by the Heat or Pacers?

     

    Every NBA fan knows Derrick Rose could have played in the playoffs last season.

    But why did the Bulls and Rose himself agree that it's best if Rose doesn't play the entire 2012-13 season?

     

    There are a lot of things Ainge can do to prevent getting 30 wins.

    Us Celtic fans already witnessed this in 2006-07 when the Celts had an 18-game losing streak.

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    Sorry kid, the C's will behind the Lakers in the run for Wiggins!  Kobe has been given strict orders not to come back this year, get Wiggins and restructure Kobe for two more years.  Have a nice day!

     
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    Re: Looking At The Big Picture

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    In response to Fierce34's comment:
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    According to lame rame, anybody that thinks the Celts will not win 30 games is an absolute fool.

    A lot of us here don't want that to happen for obvious reasons.

    Why miss an opportunity to get a franchise player in the 2014 Draft?

     

    Sure the Celts can get 30 wins if Rondo returns this December.

    But why go after 30 wins or more, make the playoffs, and get eliminated in the 1st round by the Heat or Pacers?

     

    Every NBA fan knows Derrick Rose could have played in the playoffs last season.

    But why did the Bulls and Rose himself agree that it's best if Rose doesn't play the entire 2012-13 season?

     

    There are a lot of things Ainge can do to prevent getting 30 wins.

    Us Celtic fans already witnessed this in 2006-07 when the Celts had an 18-game losing streak.

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    Sorry kid, the C's will behind the Lakers in the run for Wiggins!  Kobe has been given strict orders not to come back this year, get Wiggins and restructure Kobe for two more years.  Have a nice day!

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    He has?  Got a link?

    He doesn't follow orders, and at 35 years old may not be able to come back.  Two more years?  You're dreaming!

     
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    Re: Looking At The Big Picture

    This team is very similar to that 2007 team in that they have a lot of pretty solid role players and one star. I'm not the biggest fan of Rondo (and would love to see Danny maybe trade Rondo, the second first rounder and maybe something like Humps expiring in return for a bad contract and a second lotto pick if that would do it), but he is the one star in Boston right now. The difference between this team and that team, is that even with a healthy Rondo, the star isn't a go to scorer. That, plus the East being better now than it was back then, is why this year's team shouldn't be as good as back then. The talent coming up in this draft is great, but, while it's WAY too early to judge either of their college games, Parker looks like the guy they should be going for. He looks like a cold blooded scorer.

     
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