Looking At The Big Picture

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    Re: Looking At The Big Picture

    In response to Mployee8's comment:

    In response to RSPCB73's comment:

     

    What's wrong with trying to win as many games as possible?

    What's wrong with being in most games with a chance to win in the 4th quarter?

    Not that it is going to happen with the raw young talent on board, what's wrong if the C's win 35 games?

    Winning creates positive reinforcements and confidence, and sets up a basis for future improvements. We've tanked before in the hopes for more ping-pong balls.  Did not work out so well.  Also, if 2014 is supposed to be a deep draft, surely with a couple first rounders, there is an opportunity to package and move up (if not happy with mid-to-late positions).

    Just saying!

    Red Sox 2013 World Series Champs.  Patriots 2014 Super Bowl Champs???!!!

     



    Exactly ... if we had no picks and no tradeable assets then Danny'd be forced to tank. Here he lets the players/coaching staff develop, make a trade here and there for an upgrade and know he has Rondo coming and Hump/Wallace going as well as that TPE for another upgrade next spring/summer. Who wins the Hayward RFA war ... Phoenix or Boston?

     


    Here are some of the assets (picks) he has to move up in the 2014 draft (not including our own 1st & 2nd rounders for 2014) w/o tanking;

    http://www1.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

    2014 first round draft pick from Brooklyn
    Brooklyn will convey the less favorable of its 2014 1st round pick and Atlanta's 2014 1st round pick to Boston (via Atlanta's right to swap for Brooklyn) [Atlanta-Brooklyn, 7/11/2012 and then Boston-Brooklyn, 7/12/2013]

    2015 first round draft pick from L.A. Clippers
    L.A. Clippers' 2015 1st round pick to Boston [Boston-L.A. Clippers, 6/25/2013]

    2015 second round draft pick from Sacramento
    Sacramento's 2015 2nd round pick to Boston protected for selections 31-55 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Sacramento's obligation to Boston will be extinguished) [Boston-Sacramento, 2/17/2009]

    2016 first round draft pick from Brooklyn
    Brooklyn's 2016 1st round pick to Boston [Boston-Brooklyn, 7/12/2013]

    2017 first round draft pick from Brooklyn
    Boston has the right to swap its 2017 1st round pick for Brooklyn's 2017 1st round pick; if Boston exercises this swap right, then Boston will convey its 2017 2nd round pick to Brooklyn protected for selections 31-45 [Boston-Brooklyn, 7/12/2013]

    2017 second round draft pick from Sacramento
    Sacramento's 2017 2nd round pick to Boston protected for selections 31-55 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Sacramento's obligation to Boston will be extinguished) [Boston-Sacramento, 2/24/2011]

    2018 first round draft pick from Brooklyn
    Brooklyn's 2018 1st round pick to Boston [Boston-Brooklyn, 7/12/2013]



    so you would rather package those potential lotto picks just for the upcoming draft?

    even you can be on top 5 pick without doing it?

    i mean this will be the only season that we are going to tank. after this season, we will be a competitive and much improved team, while hoping brooklyn would end up as a lottery team for years

     
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    Re: Looking At The Big Picture

    In response to Mployee8's comment:

    In response to RSPCB73's comment:

     

    What's wrong with trying to win as many games as possible?

    What's wrong with being in most games with a chance to win in the 4th quarter?

    Not that it is going to happen with the raw young talent on board, what's wrong if the C's win 35 games?

    Winning creates positive reinforcements and confidence, and sets up a basis for future improvements. We've tanked before in the hopes for more ping-pong balls.  Did not work out so well.  Also, if 2014 is supposed to be a deep draft, surely with a couple first rounders, there is an opportunity to package and move up (if not happy with mid-to-late positions).

    Just saying!

    Red Sox 2013 World Series Champs.  Patriots 2014 Super Bowl Champs???!!!

     



    Exactly ... if we had no picks and no tradeable assets then Danny'd be forced to tank. Here he lets the players/coaching staff develop, make a trade here and there for an upgrade and know he has Rondo coming and Hump/Wallace going as well as that TPE for another upgrade next spring/summer. Who wins the Hayward RFA war ... Phoenix or Boston?

     


    Here are some of the assets (picks) he has to move up in the 2014 draft (not including our own 1st & 2nd rounders for 2014) w/o tanking;

    http://www1.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

    2014 first round draft pick from Brooklyn
    Brooklyn will convey the less favorable of its 2014 1st round pick and Atlanta's 2014 1st round pick to Boston (via Atlanta's right to swap for Brooklyn) [Atlanta-Brooklyn, 7/11/2012 and then Boston-Brooklyn, 7/12/2013]

    2015 first round draft pick from L.A. Clippers
    L.A. Clippers' 2015 1st round pick to Boston [Boston-L.A. Clippers, 6/25/2013]

    2015 second round draft pick from Sacramento
    Sacramento's 2015 2nd round pick to Boston protected for selections 31-55 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Sacramento's obligation to Boston will be extinguished) [Boston-Sacramento, 2/17/2009]

    2016 first round draft pick from Brooklyn
    Brooklyn's 2016 1st round pick to Boston [Boston-Brooklyn, 7/12/2013]

    2017 first round draft pick from Brooklyn
    Boston has the right to swap its 2017 1st round pick for Brooklyn's 2017 1st round pick; if Boston exercises this swap right, then Boston will convey its 2017 2nd round pick to Brooklyn protected for selections 31-45 [Boston-Brooklyn, 7/12/2013]

    2017 second round draft pick from Sacramento
    Sacramento's 2017 2nd round pick to Boston protected for selections 31-55 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Sacramento's obligation to Boston will be extinguished) [Boston-Sacramento, 2/24/2011]

    2018 first round draft pick from Brooklyn
    Brooklyn's 2018 1st round pick to Boston [Boston-Brooklyn, 7/12/2013]


    Wow, that's nice, but let's remember DA is doing the picking.  So you'll be competitive in 2022!!!!!!  blink2

     
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    Re: Looking At The Big Picture

    In response to Fierce34's comment:

    The Celts don't need to get the #1 pick, the Celts only need to get a top 3 or top 5 pick.

    Just because the Celts beat Miami on lucky shot, it doesn't mean the Celtics are a playoff team already.




    i mean, if the C's lose by less than 10 to the Heat i call that a success no doubt. they played good can't lie about that. that team right there showed playoff type talent. but question is do we want playoff talent and can we even keep that up? your point that tonights magic game will tell us alot is extremely valid

     
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    Re: Looking At The Big Picture

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    Couple of thoughts on tanking. A simple look at the numbers tell you its not a great idea. The worst team only has a 25% chance of getting the 1st pick, the second worst a 20% chance and so on.  It is not good business to bank on an outcome that you have only a 1 in 4 chance of getting. On average you will lose 3 out of 4 times. Infact, since the weighted lottery system introduced in 1990, only three teams with the worst record went on to win the lottery while only four teams with the second-worst record have won the lottery. Now, people will argue that "this is the deepest draft since 2003" or some such thing, implying that the first five or so will be like nuber ones. I find that hard to believe, mostly because it is entirely unprecedented. Consider 2003. Obviously Lebron is a keeper, but he never won anything for the team that drafted him. Wade won one by himselfy, but it was kind of a fluke - the pre-Lebron Heat were in no way a year-in, year-out dynasty. Melo has never come close, and also left the team that drafted him. Would you really want to build around Bosh? And Darko - enough said... In summary, tanking is not good business. Fans don't come = lost revenue. Team becomes even more unattractive to free agents. Talent becomes undervalued due to losing = less trade value. Furthermore, as touched upon earlier, even if you get a one or a two, there is a good chance they will leave as soon as they can because you have basically created an awful team in order to get them. And yes, there is Durant, who is yet to win a thing... 



    The difference is that in this draft there are 5 or 6 players who could make a case for the #1 pick 

    - Chad Ford

     
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    Re: Looking At The Big Picture

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    Gordon Hayward war?

    Really???

    Gordon Hayward is the savior?

     

    I would rather have Jabari Parker than Gordon Hayward.



    any day!

     
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    Re: Looking At The Big Picture

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    Gordon Hayward war?

    Really???

    Gordon Hayward is the savior?

     

    I would rather have Jabari Parker than Gordon Hayward.

     




    Who said you can't have both or another top 8 pick w/o tanking?

     



    draft randle and sign hayward.

    trade sully and bradley for top 5-7 pick

    Rondo

    Hayward

    Green

    Randle

    Embiid

     
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    Re: Looking At The Big Picture

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    Who said you can't have both or another top 8 pick w/o tanking?

     

     



    Top 8 only gets you Glenn Robinson III, James Young, or Wayne Selden.

     

    There's a big difference in talent level from top 5 to top 8.


    Guess what son?  Celtics getting pick 15 maybe 16 in the up coming draft.  Watch, just like I said.  Enjoy bad luck schleprock!

     
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    Re: Looking At The Big Picture

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    Try this we we win this year and actually exceed last years team and have 3 1sts and cap space. Losing to win just doesn't make sense on so many levels I can't even begin to cite. Do us both a favor and don't try and tell me that you're being realistic,reality is what is not the paid by the word vitriol,reality is what is. I see that reality as having an over rated coach that refused to adapt and a core of once HOF level players that have passed their HOF days being replaced with a superior coach and less proven but athletically gifted,talented and younger players. I expected this group to start off slow and as the familarise themselves get increasingly better and better. There is a tipping point when experienced becomes aged and tried and true becomes stubborn and dogmatic, that was our situation. It is a fine line between learning from the past and being doomed to repeat it.

    Before we made a trade in 07 we had suffered through a drought of rings that last 25+ years. DA went and got us 2 legit superstars and traded down to get a player that would fit in with those players and had enough cap space to aquire some quality vets short term and had immediate success!  After the initial success we came close but were never able to repeat our intial success. We had so much invested in roster that we had almost zero flexibility whether it be financial,style of play or who plays what role and that became more problematic as the team was kept intact trying to tweek instead of evolving foward. Players were brought in that were expected to replace lost parts, not contribute according to their talents and were given extremely limited chances to do anything else so they under achieved.

    DA saw enough of this and decided we needed to upgrade. He replaced a popular and respected yet dogmatic coach with a newer and more innovative coach. He got excellent trade in value for our aged reminents of the 08 championship team. He gave us internal flexibilty getting him the chance to see what what our newer players were capable of without the shackles of having to be replacements.

    Now we have a team that after this season has a large amount of financial flexibility, a boat load of 1st round draft picks and realistically as much talent as we did the previous year, add to that we picked an under valued draft pick that has contributed immedietly. I know some are now saying, What? hear me out; Wallace, Humpty,Bogans and Brooks, today, have the abilities to  be contributors as KG,PP and JET, this year, not as compared to their past. We also have an unique opportunity to evaluate all these new pieces productivity,chemistry and position in actual regular season for a month or two before making any roster adjustments . The fact that  we've been competetive alreaday is a bonus.

    What "The big picture" is just that it is what is, not what will be or can be, that's reality for our team just as it is for all of us fans. Our success depends on how we deal with the situations that are presenbted to us today regardless of our perception of if they're positive or negative. Success has always been accomplished by seeing things and acting to your needs and goals not trying to copy someone elses success or expecting to follow some step by step map. People who are always waiting or hoping for the ideal situations to succeed rarely do, the ones who do succeed like this have a name, lottery winners. Depending on winning the lottery to be successful is usually pure folly,however using the assetts you have to their highest potential and relying concerted effort gives one one a much better chance at seeing your hopes come to fruition. That my friends is the big picture. 

     What?

     
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    Re: Looking At The Big Picture

    In response to Fierce34's comment:

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    Sorry kid, the C's will behind the Lakers in the run for Wiggins!  Kobe has been given strict orders not to come back this year, get Wiggins and restructure Kobe for two more years.  Have a nice day!

     



    You can have Wiggins.

     

    We'll settle for Jabari Parker.

    HAHAHA 



    We'll see how good your boy is tonight when #5 Kanas takes #4 Duke tonight!  Or should I say Wiggins vs Parker.  Must see tv and I hope your mommie let's you watch the game on ESPN.  LMAO

     
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