Love Affair with the 3 Stooges

  1. You have chosen to ignore posts from heirplain. Show heirplain's posts

    Re: Love Affair with the 3 Stooges

    In Response to Love Affair with the 3 Stooges:
    [QUOTE]There seems to be a lot of mindless chatter centered around 3 inidividuals who might join the Cs---Larry Hughes, Delonte West, and Rudy Fernandez.  Has anyone stopped to consider the "character", or lack thereof, of these men?  I guess I'm old-fashioned in that I've always believed that character counts for something.  When you take on a head case, you're asking for trouble.  Contrary to what Danny (and PP) say, the Cs don't need another shooter off the bench (isn't Wafer suppose to be that guy anyway?), they need a tall, athletic wing who can spell PP and help shut down the opposing 3.  This team's MO has always been built on defense.  Personally, I would prefer the Cs giving a chance to some promising young player like Tony Gaffney, who is a legitimate 6'8" with the potential to guard the taller, more physical small forwards. 
    Posted by henryfinkel[/QUOTE]


    I don't know if I would call them stooges (just not a fit for the C's maybe) and definitely not in the Celtic mold.
     I certainly agree with giving Gaffney a chance. As mentioned before, Kobe really liked his game and that is quite a rarity for whatever that means. I was impressed by what I saw in the summer series, a presence which might not transfer to the "big leagues". Maybe he won't work out but it will be interesting to see how he does. Wafer and Bradley too!


     
  2. You have chosen to ignore posts from RUWorthy. Show RUWorthy's posts

    Re: Love Affair with the 3 Stooges

    LOL!

    The title of this made me have a look.

    If I was a GM I'd bring people into my team based not only on ability but on who they are as a person. I agree totally with the OP.

    Some guys can be head cases, but they're not necessarily bad people. I mean 'BAD' as in criminal bad. Some guys can be controlled if there are strong personalities in a team, but on a team of weak individuals, they can be a cancer. Artest is a head case, but he seems settled in LA. Jermaine O'Neil and Rasheed are both players I'd call cases as well. But given the right situation they are assets. They're still not what I'd call 'bad'.

    Now one of the guys in my team is what I'd call Bad. Kobe Bryant. If I was GM at the Lakers he would have been out of my club in 2003 and I wouldn't care about forgoing championships. I'd apply this to any player. When you are accused of that sort of crime I'd have no time for you and I'd have you out of my club. Bryant is a head case in a totally different league to the other guys. 

    Said it before I cheer for the uniform, not the player in his case. Frown

    How people can cheer for the man himself is beyond me. 

    End of rant. 



     
  3. You have chosen to ignore posts from heirplain. Show heirplain's posts

    Re: Love Affair with the 3 Stooges

    In Response to Re: Love Affair with the 3 Stooges:
    [QUOTE]LOL! The title of this made me have a look. If I was a GM I'd bring people into my team based not only on ability but on who they are as a person. I agree totally with the OP. Some guys can be head cases, but they're not necessarily bad people. I mean 'BAD' as in criminal bad. Some guys can be controlled if there are strong personalities in a team, but on a team of weak individuals, they can be a cancer. Artest is a head case, but he seems settled in LA. Jermaine O'Neil and Rasheed are both players I'd call cases as well. But given the right situation they are assets. They're still not what I'd call 'bad'. Now one of the guys in my team is what I'd call Bad. Kobe Bryant. If I was GM at the Lakers he would have been out of my club in 2003 and I wouldn't care about forgoing championships. I'd apply this to any player. When you are accused of that sort of crime I'd have no time for you and I'd have you out of my club. Bryant is a head case in a totally different league to the other guys.  Said it before I cheer for the uniform, not the player in his case.  How people can cheer for the man himself is beyond me.  End of rant. 
    Posted by RUWorthy[/QUOTE]


    I completely agree about Kobe. A great talent but would have no place on my team either.. So many of these spoiled brat millionaires seem to think they are above the law, honor, decency and integrity.

    Everyone makes mistakes and bad decisions in life, but if you find a real honorable person better befriend or hire them as their numbers are getting fewer!
     
  4. You have chosen to ignore posts from existentialparquet. Show existentialparquet's posts

    Re: Love Affair with the 3 Stooges

    You all act like you have never taken a motorcycle ride  while carrying three guns. What did it for me was the unsafe lane change.
     
  5. You have chosen to ignore posts from PACelt. Show PACelt's posts

    Re: Love Affair with the 3 Stooges

    Unless someone else surfaces, I'd opt for Jarvis Hayes.  Didn't UConn have a shooter/scorer that didn't get drafted?  Was he a SF?

    PA

     
  6. You have chosen to ignore posts from existentialparquet. Show existentialparquet's posts

    Re: Love Affair with the 3 Stooges

    stanley robinson? signed by magic
     
  7. You have chosen to ignore posts from hedleylamarr. Show hedleylamarr's posts

    Re: Love Affair with the 3 Stooges

    In Response to Re: Love Affair with the 3 Stooges:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Love Affair with the 3 Stooges : While you're on your high horse, let me remind you about James Worthy's (Your Avatar) indiscetion in Houston with a Call Girl Service while on a road trip with the Lakers in 1990.  I believe he was married at the time.  Hypocrite. BTW, if you want to indict someone merely because he has been ACCUSED of a crime, then you must have many people on you hate list.  And your attempt to endear yourself to this Celtics Board by declaring that you abhor Kobe is pathetic. End of my rant.
    Posted by victorlee1234[/QUOTE]


    Great, he now goes on the all-scumbag team with Calvin Murphy, Michael Ray Richarson,  Wilt Chamberlain and Shawn Kemp...............not a bad team!!
     
  8. You have chosen to ignore posts from RUWorthy. Show RUWorthy's posts

    Re: Love Affair with the 3 Stooges

    In Response to Re: Love Affair with the 3 Stooges:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Love Affair with the 3 Stooges : While you're on your high horse, let me remind you about James Worthy's (Your Avatar) indiscetion in Houston with a Call Girl Service while on a road trip with the Lakers in 1990.  I believe he was married at the time.  Hypocrite. BTW, if you want to indict someone merely because he has been ACCUSED of a crime, then you must have many people on you hate list.  And your attempt to endear yourself to this Celtics Board by declaring that you abhor Kobe is pathetic. End of my rant.
    Posted by victorlee1234[/QUOTE]

    Did I use the word hate list? No I didn't. I don't hate Bryant. I despise him for what he did. Yes Bryant was accused but if, I was a guy and accused of a CRIME like rape, then I would defend it and take it though the courts. If I were innocent of such a CRIME I would not be paying my accuser a cent. But that's just me.

    James was guilty of attempting to solicit the services of prostitutes? Was there a 'rape' involved? He was guilty of not being faithful to his wife. Like a large majority of NBA players, not to start naming names. 

    I'm not trying to endear myself to anyone. Bryant was responsible for Shaq leaving the Lakers. And then almost engineering a trade to have him leave the team. He's no hero of mine and never will be again. Zero respect for him as a human being. But rapists seems to do that to me.
     
  9. You have chosen to ignore posts from RUWorthy. Show RUWorthy's posts

    Re: Love Affair with the 3 Stooges

    In Response to Re: Love Affair with the 3 Stooges:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Love Affair with the 3 Stooges : Great, he now goes on the all-scumbag team with Calvin Murphy, Michael Ray Richarson,  Wilt Chamberlain and Shawn Kemp...............not a bad team!!
    Posted by hedleylamarr[/QUOTE]

    The tip of an extremely large Ice Berg my friend.

    Throw Michael Jordan on it as well! 

    Not to defend but these guys do appear to have a different set of rules. Definitely ignoring their vows of marriage, professions of love to their wives, fiancées, girlfriends etc. I don't understand why the partners are willing to stay with them, but it's a matter between the individuals. When it comes to a crime like rape however it's a different ballpark. 

    Bill Russell talked about his dalliances with female fans, with his team mates in his book Rebound. Has been going on for a very very long time.


     
     
  10. You have chosen to ignore posts from RUWorthy. Show RUWorthy's posts

    Re: Love Affair with the 3 Stooges

    Five questions.

    I respect the Celtics. Is that a problem? 

    And I have no friends, oh woe. Whatever can I do?

    And why do you keep calling me a guy? Are you just trying to insult me? 

    If Bryant is innocent then why do an out of court settlement? Answer me that. 


     
  11. You have chosen to ignore posts from victorlee1234. Show victorlee1234's posts

    Re: Love Affair with the 3 Stooges

    In Response to Re: Love Affair with the 3 Stooges:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Love Affair with the 3 Stooges : Did I use the word hate list? No I didn't. I don't hate Bryant. I despise him for what he did. Yes Bryant was accused but if, I was a guy and accused of a CRIME like rape, then I would defend it and take it though the courts. If I were innocent of such a CRIME I would not be paying my accuser a cent. But that's just me. James was guilty of attempting to solicit the services of prostitutes? Was there a 'rape' involved? He was guilty of not being faithful to his wife. Like a large majority of NBA players, not to start naming names.  I'm not trying to endear myself to anyone. Bryant was responsible for Shaq leaving the Lakers. And then almost engineering a trade to have him leave the team. He's no hero of mine and never will be again. Zero respect for him as a human being. But rapists seems to do that to me.
    Posted by RUWorthy[/QUOTE]

    Just how naive can you be?  You think every innocent guy accused of rape is always found "not guilty" after a trial?  Bryant is a high profile athlete.  With his career, his freedom, and millions of $ on the line, why would he chance a trial, even if he feels he's innocent?  Would you?  And just what is a girl doing at 1:30 in the morning in a stranger's hotel room anyway?  Asking for directions?

    As for Shaq, it's common knowledge that Shaq and his lazy butt ran past Jerry Buss and yelled out "Pay Me" during a Lakers scrimmage.  Not surprisingly, Buss sent him packing afterwards.  Before you annoint Shaq as a Saint, be advised that's he left Miami, Phoenix, and Cleveland on bad terms, not to mention Orlando and LA. But of course you know all of this, right?
     
  12. You have chosen to ignore posts from HarryMangurian. Show HarryMangurian's posts

    Re: Love Affair with the 3 Stooges

    In Response to Re: Love Affair with the 3 Stooges:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Love Affair with the 3 Stooges : Just how naive can you be?  You think every innocent guy accused of rape is always found "not guilty" after a trial?  Bryant is a high profile athlete.  With his career, his freedom, and millions of $ on the line, why would he chance a trial, even if he feels he's innocent?  Would you?  And just what is a girl doing at 1:30 in the morning in a stranger's hotel room anyway?  Asking for directions? As for Shaq, it's common knowledge that Shaq and his lazy butt ran past Jerry Buss and yelled out "Pay Me" during a Lakers scrimmage.  Not surprisingly, Buss sent him packing afterwards.  Before you annoint Shaq as a Saint, be advised that's he left Miami, Phoenix, and Cleveland on bad terms, not to mention Orlando and LA. But of course you know all of this, right?
    Posted by victorlee1234[/QUOTE]

    Since we are bringing this subject again the facts seem to keep being ignored.

    Can Kobe be proven of rape? Maybe yes maybe not. Can he be proven of being sleazy? Most definitly yes.

    That being said, especially to RU, I respect the 1980's Laker's quite highly. The Bird/Magic days were fought with hard-nosed respect.

    During the run up to Kobe Bryants’s trial the media eagerly headlined every untrue allegation leaked by the defense.  But when the Smoking Gun leaked the transcript of Bryant’s first interview with the police, there were no headlines blaring “Kobe Admits Strangling Alleged Victim”.  When I wrote an op-ed titled “The Missing Headlines” I could not get it published.

    At the preliminary hearing in the Kobe Bryant trial, prosecutors claimed that Bryant threw the alleged victim over a chair, put his hands around her neck and raped her.  In the transcript Bryant claims the woman bent over herself, but he freely admits the strangulation. He acknowledges that he put his hands around her neck and that his hands are strong (page 16, lines 465-481).  Then he says “about the strangling thing you have to go talk to this girl [inaudible] Michelle…, we do the same thing.” Michelle, he tells the detectives, is a girlfriend with whom he frequently has sex like this (page 36, lines 1103-1117). I don’t know the etiquette of asking your sexual partner if she minds being choked during intercourse, but I would think you should have known her for more than fifteen minutes and be sure of her name.  We know from the transcript that Bryant had only the briefest acquaintance with this woman as he manipulated her into coming to his room, and that as to giving police her name, he could only say, “Something like that

    http://legalmomentum.typepad.com/blog/2010/04/tiger-kobe-porn-and-media-responsibility-in-rape-trials.html
     
  13. You have chosen to ignore posts from hedleylamarr. Show hedleylamarr's posts

    Re: Love Affair with the 3 Stooges

    In Response to Re: Love Affair with the 3 Stooges:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Love Affair with the 3 Stooges : Just how naive can you be?  You think every innocent guy accused of rape is always found "not guilty" after a trial?  Bryant is a high profile athlete.  With his career, his freedom, and millions of $ on the line, why would he chance a trial, even if he feels he's innocent?  Would you?  And just what is a girl doing at 1:30 in the morning in a stranger's hotel room anyway?  Asking for directions? As for Shaq, it's common knowledge that Shaq and his lazy butt ran past Jerry Buss and yelled out "Pay Me" during a Lakers scrimmage.  Not surprisingly, Buss sent him packing afterwards.  Before you annoint Shaq as a Saint, be advised that's he left Miami, Phoenix, and Cleveland on bad terms, not to mention Orlando and LA. But of course you know all of this, right?
    Posted by victorlee1234[/QUOTE]

    Strongly disagree.  It's because he has millions that he can get off.  OJ did.  And yes, if it was me, and I was innocent, I would fight to my last dollar to prove it......he didn't, wonder why?  Also, we all  know about Shaq's comments to TheOldPerv during a (pre-season game wasn't it?) scrimmage, but how naive can YOU be to think koME didn't have anything to do with Shaq leaving town!  Also, didn't read where he left CLE on bad terms....they just didn't re-sign him.  I think if they kept MeBron they might have kept Shaq.  ORL?  He was traded, right?  MIA?  maybe.  He didn't fit in the system at PHO, but don't know that he burned any bridges.  Care to provide any proof?  Seems to me the only bridge he really burned was LA - again, I said maybe MIA, but they talked to him this off-season, didn't they?
     
  14. You have chosen to ignore posts from HarryMangurian. Show HarryMangurian's posts

    Re: Love Affair with the 3 Stooges

    In Response to Love Affair with the 3 Stooges:
    [QUOTE]There seems to be a lot of mindless chatter centered around 3 inidividuals who might join the Cs---Larry Hughes, Delonte West, and Rudy Fernandez.  Has anyone stopped to consider the "character", or lack thereof, of these men?  I guess I'm old-fashioned in that I've always believed that character counts for something.  When you take on a head case, you're asking for trouble.  Contrary to what Danny (and PP) say, the Cs don't need another shooter off the bench (isn't Wafer suppose to be that guy anyway?), they need a tall, athletic wing who can spell PP and help shut down the opposing 3.  This team's MO has always been built on defense.  Personally, I would prefer the Cs giving a chance to some promising young player like Tony Gaffney, who is a legitimate 6'8" with the potential to guard the taller, more physical small forwards. 
    Posted by henryfinkel[/QUOTE]

    Too bad Sims did not stay, but why not Lester Hudson? They wanted him to be a PG which he will never be. Ask him to be a shooter only.

    Tony G makes sense too
     
  15. You have chosen to ignore posts from RUWorthy. Show RUWorthy's posts

    Re: Love Affair with the 3 Stooges

    In Response to Re: Love Affair with the 3 Stooges:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Love Affair with the 3 Stooges : Just how naive can you be?  You think every innocent guy accused of rape is always found "not guilty" after a trial?  Bryant is a high profile athlete.  With his career, his freedom, and millions of $ on the line, why would he chance a trial, even if he feels he's innocent?  Would you?  And just what is a girl doing at 1:30 in the morning in a stranger's hotel room anyway?  Asking for directions? As for Shaq, it's common knowledge that Shaq and his lazy butt ran past Jerry Buss and yelled out "Pay Me" during a Lakers scrimmage.  Not surprisingly, Buss sent him packing afterwards.  Before you annoint Shaq as a Saint, be advised that's he left Miami, Phoenix, and Cleveland on bad terms, not to mention Orlando and LA. But of course you know all of this, right?
    Posted by victorlee1234[/QUOTE]

    It's not about being naïve, it's about right and wrong.

    I think someone high profile like Bryant would have wanted to keep his reputation intact by defending the allegations. He could have hired the best legal team in the country, why didn't he? He could have saved himself from having his reputation tarnished, why didn't he? That people can overlook the 'alleged' rape in Denver is beyond my comprehension, it's almost as if they are condoning the crime. Rape should never be condoned. As soon as a woman says no, that's it. If you continue it's rape. There's no question the girl was in his room, the question is was the sex consensual? If it wasn't it was rape. That's not hard to understand.

    That Bryant didn't use wealth to defend his name and buy his way out of court, it sends a message to me that he does have something to hide in regards to the allegations.

    Onto Shaq, he was forced out when Dr Buss had to make a decision between him and Byrant. Obviously he chose Bryant, because he was younger. If both Bryant and Shaq could have put aside their rather large ego's then we could have won more titles in the last decade. Shaq is immature but so was Byrant for not having the brains to stoke Shaq's ego and keep the team together.

    I don't get how Lakers fans disown Shaq for leaving the team, being forced out IMO. And hero worship a rapist in Byrant. It's a weird world sometimes.


    Without Shaq there would have been no threepeat. Shaq is my favourite modern Laker and always will be.



     
  16. You have chosen to ignore posts from hedleylamarr. Show hedleylamarr's posts

    Re: Love Affair with the 3 Stooges

    In Response to Re: Love Affair with the 3 Stooges:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Love Affair with the 3 Stooges : It's not about being naïve, it's about right and wrong. I think someone high profile like Bryant would have wanted to keep his reputation intact by defending the allegations. He could have hired the best legal team in the country, why didn't he? He could have saved himself from having his reputation tarnished, why didn't he? That people can overlook the 'alleged' rape in Denver is beyond my comprehension, it's almost as if they are condoning the crime. Rape should never be condoned. As soon as a woman says no, that's it. If you continue it's rape. There's no question the girl was in his room, the question is was the sex consensual? If it wasn't it was rape . That's not hard to understand. That Bryant didn't use wealth to defend his name and buy his way out of court, it sends a message to me that he does have something to hide in regards to the allegations. Onto Shaq, he was forced out when Dr Buss had to make a decision between him and Byrant. Obviously he chose Bryant, because he was younger. If both Bryant and Shaq could have put aside their rather large ego's then we could have won more titles in the last decade. Shaq is immature but so was Byrant for not having the brains to stoke Shaq's ego and keep the team together. I don't get how Lakers fans disown Shaq for leaving the team, being forced out IMO. And hero worship a rapist in Byrant. It's a weird world sometimes. Without Shaq there would have been no threepeat. Shaq is my favourite modern Laker and always will be.
    Posted by RUWorthy[/QUOTE]

    Great post as always.  As a father of four girls, I am particularly sensitive to the woman's perspective on this issue.  You never met martini, did you?  Good!!  He would post and say that koME wasn't convicted, therefore, if you still think it was rape, you must be a sicko for "wanting" a woman to be raped! ( In addition to his claim that the "girl had many mental problems")  Glad he's gone, right?  And he's a lakers fan!!  I agree with you - clear your name, I would.  I will go to my grave believing that the reason he didn't clear his name is because he couldn't.  Amen, sister!
     
  17. You have chosen to ignore posts from victorlee1234. Show victorlee1234's posts

    Re: Love Affair with the 3 Stooges

    In Response to Re: Love Affair with the 3 Stooges:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Love Affair with the 3 Stooges : It's not about being naïve, it's about right and wrong. I think someone high profile like Bryant would have wanted to keep his reputation intact by defending the allegations. He could have hired the best legal team in the country, why didn't he? He could have saved himself from having his reputation tarnished, why didn't he? That people can overlook the 'alleged' rape in Denver is beyond my comprehension, it's almost as if they are condoning the crime. Rape should never be condoned. As soon as a woman says no, that's it. If you continue it's rape. There's no question the girl was in his room, the question is was the sex consensual? If it wasn't it was rape . That's not hard to understand. That Bryant didn't use wealth to defend his name and buy his way out of court, it sends a message to me that he does have something to hide in regards to the allegations. Onto Shaq, he was forced out when Dr Buss had to make a decision between him and Byrant. Obviously he chose Bryant, because he was younger. If both Bryant and Shaq could have put aside their rather large ego's then we could have won more titles in the last decade. Shaq is immature but so was Byrant for not having the brains to stoke Shaq's ego and keep the team together. I don't get how Lakers fans disown Shaq for leaving the team, being forced out IMO. And hero worship a rapist in Byrant. It's a weird world sometimes. Without Shaq there would have been no threepeat. Shaq is my favourite modern Laker and always will be.
    Posted by RUWorthy[/QUOTE]

    Do you actually think Bryant could have escaped a tarnished reputation even if he went through the whole trial and be found "not guilty"?  His reputation was tarnished as soon as the rape allegations surfaced.  And what about the public perception afterwards, believing that Bryant escaped Justice because he had a world-class legal team?  Rape is a terrible crime and it's perpetrators should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.  However, allegations doesn't mean guilt (Duke Lacrosse Players).  The fact is, the only people who knew what really happened that night are Kobe and his accuser - Not John Q. Public, or Inside Edition, or TMZ, and certainly not anonymous posters on sports message boards.
     
  18. You have chosen to ignore posts from HarryMangurian. Show HarryMangurian's posts

    Re: Love Affair with the 3 Stooges

    In Response to Re: Love Affair with the 3 Stooges:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Love Affair with the 3 Stooges : It's not about being naïve, it's about right and wrong. I think someone high profile like Bryant would have wanted to keep his reputation intact by defending the allegations. He could have hired the best legal team in the country, why didn't he? He could have saved himself from having his reputation tarnished, why didn't he? That people can overlook the 'alleged' rape in Denver is beyond my comprehension, it's almost as if they are condoning the crime. Rape should never be condoned. As soon as a woman says no, that's it. If you continue it's rape. There's no question the girl was in his room, the question is was the sex consensual? If it wasn't it was rape . That's not hard to understand. That Bryant didn't use wealth to defend his name and buy his way out of court, it sends a message to me that he does have something to hide in regards to the allegations. Onto Shaq, he was forced out when Dr Buss had to make a decision between him and Byrant. Obviously he chose Bryant, because he was younger. If both Bryant and Shaq could have put aside their rather large ego's then we could have won more titles in the last decade. Shaq is immature but so was Byrant for not having the brains to stoke Shaq's ego and keep the team together. I don't get how Lakers fans disown Shaq for leaving the team, being forced out IMO. And hero worship a rapist in Byrant. It's a weird world sometimes. Without Shaq there would have been no threepeat. Shaq is my favourite modern Laker and always will be.
    Posted by RUWorthy[/QUOTE]

    Check out this article. This is from Legal Momentum (Woman's Legal Defense and  Education Fund)

    http://legalmomentum.typepad.com/blog/2010/04/tiger-kobe-porn-and-media-responsibility-in-rape-trials.html

    http://www.legalmomentum.org/
     
  19. You have chosen to ignore posts from RUWorthy. Show RUWorthy's posts

    Re: Love Affair with the 3 Stooges

    In Response to Re: Love Affair with the 3 Stooges:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Love Affair with the 3 Stooges : Great post as always.  As a father of four girls, I am particularly sensitive to the woman's perspective on this issue.  You never met martini, did you?  Good!!  He would post and say that koME wasn't convicted, therefore, if you still think it was rape, you must be a sicko for "wanting" a woman to be raped! ( In addition to his claim that the "girl had many mental problems")  Glad he's gone, right?  And he's a lakers fan!!  I agree with you - clear your name, I would.  I will go to my grave believing that the reason he didn't clear his name is because he couldn't.  Amen, sister!
    Posted by hedleylamarr[/QUOTE]

    I never met him. He sounds weird.

    I think that as well. He has more than enough money to clear his name. And if he did take it to court and win then at least the stigma of paying his way out of the situation wouldn't exist.
     
  20. You have chosen to ignore posts from RUWorthy. Show RUWorthy's posts

    Re: Love Affair with the 3 Stooges

    In Response to Re: Love Affair with the 3 Stooges:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Love Affair with the 3 Stooges : Do you actually think Bryant could have escaped a tarnished reputation even if he went through the whole trial and be found "not guilty"?  His reputation was tarnished as soon as the rape allegations surfaced.  And what about the public perception afterwards, believing that Bryant escaped Justice because he had a world-class legal team?  Rape is a terrible crime and it's perpetrators should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.  However, allegations doesn't mean guilt (Duke Lacrosse Players).  The fact is, the only people who knew what really happened that night are Kobe and his accuser - Not John Q. Public, or Inside Edition, or TMZ, and certainly not anonymous posters on sports message boards.
    Posted by victorlee1234[/QUOTE]

    His reputation wouldn't be as bad as it now is. Paying his way out wasn't the most clever thing for him to do. Taking the matter to court and challenging his accuser would have been the smartest thing. All I think of is pay off in regards to the case.

    I agree with you that of course only two people know exactly what happened. the two parties involved. We can only make judgements on what is on the public record. I do think however that when someone in his position buys his way out of trouble that it looks suspicious and could be taken as an admission of guilt.

    Remember that two people have had their reputations shattered by this Bryant and Katelyn Faber. All Katelyn Faber had to say was the word NO once during the encounter and then it's rape. It's really that simple as far as I'm concerned. If she did say No then Byrant is guilty.

    Either way the guy went from being one of my favorite players to meaning less than nothing to me in a very short space of time.

    Makes me wonder how he'll explain this whole saga to his daughters.
     
  21. You have chosen to ignore posts from RUWorthy. Show RUWorthy's posts

    Re: Love Affair with the 3 Stooges

    In Response to Re: Love Affair with the 3 Stooges:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Love Affair with the 3 Stooges : Check out this article. This is from Legal Momentum (Woman's Legal Defense and  Education Fund) http://legalmomentum.typepad.com/blog/2010/04/tiger-kobe-porn-and-media-responsibility-in-rape-trials.html http://www.legalmomentum.org/
    Posted by HarryMangurian[/QUOTE]

    That is completely horrifying.

    I did notice this from the article which reinforces my belief that Bryant raped the girl. From Byrant, "Yes. That’s when she said no. That’s when she said no. That’s when she said no."

    How people idolise and hero worship him now is beyond me.
     
  22. You have chosen to ignore posts from heirplain. Show heirplain's posts

    Re: Love Affair with the 3 Stooges

    In Response to Re: Love Affair with the 3 Stooges:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Love Affair with the 3 Stooges : That is completely horrifying. I did notice this from the article which reinforces my belief that Bryant raped the girl. From Byrant, "Yes. That’s when she said no . That’s when she said no . That’s when she said no ." How people idolise and hero worship him now is beyond me.
    Posted by RUWorthy[/QUOTE]

    Very true! If the lady says no it ain't gonna happen! Isn't that what it's all about?

    Hardly a BB subject! Adios on this one!
     
  23. You have chosen to ignore posts from hedleylamarr. Show hedleylamarr's posts

    Re: Love Affair with the 3 Stooges

    In Response to Re: Love Affair with the 3 Stooges:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Love Affair with the 3 Stooges : One this is clear and that is you are No Lakers Fan.  Get rid of the best player in  the league!  lmao  Please stop petending to be a Lakers Fan.  Your a nut case to be pleasant. 
    Posted by kobedaman[/QUOTE]


    Wrong as usual.  In 2007, I loved the Sox but couldn't stand Manny.

    You can be a fan and not like everyone on the team.  And it's YOU'RE a nut case, not your!
     
  24. This post has been removed.

     
  25. You have chosen to ignore posts from RUWorthy. Show RUWorthy's posts

    Re: Love Affair with the 3 Stooges

    In Response to Re: Love Affair with the 3 Stooges:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Love Affair with the 3 Stooges : One this is clear and that is you are No Lakers Fan.  Get rid of the best player in  the league!  lmao  Please stop petending to be a Lakers Fan.  Your a nut case to be pleasant. 
    Posted by kobedaman[/QUOTE]

    Again a comment from someone who doesn't know me. I'm appalled at the level some people stoop to around here. Name calling really doesn't do you any favors. 

    Where do you stand on right and wrong? 

    Bryant by going down the route of an out of court settlement admitted to wrong doing. That is a basic fact. 

    I'll repeat, very clearly.

    Both parties agreed to have sex, that is beyond question.

    However .... consent can be withdrawn at any point.  Even if a encounter starts out as consensual, if either party says to stop at any point, and the other party continues, then it's assault, then it's rape.
     
    At least, that's how consent law stands in most western jurisdictions. Certainly in all Australian criminal law systems, consent is fairly strictly defined to prevent any sort of defence along the lines of "she didn't try to stop me" or "she said yes at the start, but then changed her mind".
     
    Technically, an out of court settlement is not an admission of guilt or liability (as appropriate) which is why a person with Bryant's wealth loves them.  But an out of court settlement usually indicates the person has privately admitted some sort of wrongdoing.
     
    In this particular case, the mere fact that the plaintiff said "no" shows she wasn't consenting.  Regardless of whatever else a criminal code's definition of 'consent' might say, they are always very clear - no means no.
     
    So had that gone to trial, I'd say Bryant would have been found guilty as charged. 

    Remember the golden rule.  "He who has the gold makes the rules"

    Bryant can't buy me off with a 4 Million dollar ring like he did Vanessa. He can't buy off a lot of females who previously liked him. He has not only burnt bridges he's nuked them. 

    It will be a happy day when he retires from the league and he can head off to do whatever he pleases. He's a disgrace to our organisation and as I said before, he'll have some genuine explaining to do to his two little girls one day when they start asking questions about daddy's night in Denver and his many mistresses. 

    Think about the case, take off your rose colored glasses, and examine the issues. Don't let hero worship blind you to the facts. And if it currently blinds you I hope a day comes when you won't be blinded to all the facts. 

    Peace.

     
Sections
Shortcuts

Share