Misconceptions. Clippers Don't Need Boston

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    Misconceptions. Clippers Don't Need Boston

    First, many on here are assuming that CP3 will leave the Clips if Doc doesn't sign.  That is pure speculation and probably innacurrate.  I'm sure the Clips know what CP3 prefers and he may be pulling for Brian Shaw for all we know.  

    Second, the Celtics aren't the only team that the Clips can pursue with Jordan, Butler and maybe even Bledsoe for the right deal.  I'm sure they would prefer a C/PF who has younger legs than Garnett.

    Third, Garnett for Jordan straight up is a fair deal, maybe better for the Celts, since Garnett only has one year left in his career and Jordan is a young, serviceable starter and still has some upside. Doc IS NOT worth 2 first round picks.    

    BTW - Danny won't terminate Doc and eat his contract.  Doc will need to return but if he walks, the contract is invalidaded and the Celts are not responsible for his remaining $21M.  Either way Danny wins.

     
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    troll

     
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    I like your posts and value your point of view.  You are wrong on Jordan though he stinks.  KG for one or two years is a much better choice.  His career could have come to a logical end.  You have liked Jordan for year but consider he would have been good with KG as at teammate and second round steal.  Jordan on a bad team would be useless.  He can't shoot, and has a real lack of basketball intelligence.  He is a role player at best.  I live in LA and have watched him closely.

     
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    I will not be surprised if Danny relents and agrees to trade Garnett and Doc for Jordan and 1 first round pick.  maybe he'll get a future second rounder.    

     
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    You are a troll! admit it...If Doc & KG are so indispensable for the Clips, economics 101 tells you you have to pay for it whether you think that KG and DOc are not that worthy, Clippers management obviously thinks so...are you Clippers management???

     
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    I will not be surprised if Danny relents and agrees to trade Garnett and Doc for Jordan and 1 first round pick.  maybe he'll get a future second rounder.    



    AGREED.

     
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    I like your posts and value your point of view.  You are wrong on Jordan though he stinks.  KG for one or two years is a much better choice.  His career could have come to a logical end.  You have liked Jordan for year but consider he would have been good with KG as at teammate and second round steal.  Jordan on a bad team would be useless.  He can't shoot, and has a real lack of basketball intelligence.  He is a role player at best.  I live in LA and have watched him closely.

     



    I understand that Jordan is not a complete player, especially on offense, and that on a highly competitive team he would only be a good backup C, but he does play defense, block the middle and rebound.  I see him as filling a Perkins-like roll.  Not ideal, but we're not gonna get anything better for Garnett IMO.  

     
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    You are a troll! admit it...If Doc & KG are so indispensable for the Clips, economics 101 tells you you have to pay for it whether you think that KG and DOc are not that worthy, Clippers management obviously thinks so...are you Clippers management???



    First, just because someone has a different opinion doesn't make them a troll.  Otherwise YOU ARE A TROLL for disagreing with my post.  Grow up. 

    Second. Your response makes no sense.  Are you on meds?  I clearly stated that Garnett and Doc are NOT indispensible to the Clips.  Clippers management agrees since THEY pulled out of the deal.    

     
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    First, many on here are assuming that CP3 will leave the Clips if Doc doesn't sign.  That is pure speculation and probably innacurrate.  I'm sure the Clips know what CP3 prefers and he may be pulling for Brian Shaw for all we know.  

    Second, the Celtics aren't the only team that the Clips can pursue with Jordan, Butler and maybe even Bledsoe for the right deal.  I'm sure they would prefer a C/PF who has younger legs than Garnett.

    Third, Garnett for Jordan straight up is a fair deal, maybe better for the Celts, since Garnett only has one year left in his career and Jordan is a young, serviceable starter and still has some upside. Doc IS NOT worth 2 first round picks.    

    BTW - Danny won't terminate Doc and eat his contract.  Doc will need to return but if he walks, the contract is invalidaded and the Celts are not responsible for his remaining $21M.  Either way Danny wins.




    I'll bite....

    You're right. We don't know what CP3 wants, and we all know he's the real GM of that team anyway. But getting Doc would silence all of the talks about him leaving. I don't know if you get that same feeling if Shaw were to come on board.

    DeAndre Jordan's contract is awful. $11 million for a guy with a limited offensive game and a terrible FT percentage. His upside is great under the right coaching, but would he get there? I don't want to eat up $11 mil of cap space on a question mark. That's why Bledsoe for me was the dagger in the whole thing. Once he was out, I was out.

    Now, to your credit KG's contract isn't all that appealing either. Why would anyone want to take on a 37 y/o PF/C that plays away from the basket on offense.But it's an expiring deal for a guy that is a "culture changer" and still plays stellar defense. I think he'd be fine on a team with CP3, Blake, Crawford, etc. Rotations defensively would be easier for KG with Blake in the fold.

    Again, it's more about pleasing CP3 than anything else. And it's been rumored that CP3 would embrace KG. Maybe it would toughen up Blake if they didn't flip him for Dwight (which wasn't happening). Rumor has it CP3 thinks Blake is soft. Again, this is all speculation.

    To be honest though, I'm glad Danny didn't do this deal. If it were just Jordan and a 1st-rounder I'd say DA got hosed. I would have eventually warmed up to the 2 picks I guess, but Bledsoe for me was a deal-breaker.

     
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    Let the Clippers go out there and find their own deal. The team they have constructed cannot beat OKC, SA or Memphis. So why would CP3 resign there without a shot at getting Howard.

    If I'm CP3 I'm outta there. Hello Houston!!

     

     
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    First, many on here are assuming that CP3 will leave the Clips if Doc doesn't sign.  That is pure speculation and probably innacurrate.  I'm sure the Clips know what CP3 prefers and he may be pulling for Brian Shaw for all we know.  

    Second, the Celtics aren't the only team that the Clips can pursue with Jordan, Butler and maybe even Bledsoe for the right deal.  I'm sure they would prefer a C/PF who has younger legs than Garnett.

    Third, Garnett for Jordan straight up is a fair deal, maybe better for the Celts, since Garnett only has one year left in his career and Jordan is a young, serviceable starter and still has some upside. Doc IS NOT worth 2 first round picks.    

    BTW - Danny won't terminate Doc and eat his contract.  Doc will need to return but if he walks, the contract is invalidaded and the Celts are not responsible for his remaining $21M.  Either way Danny wins.




     
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    You are a troll! admit it...If Doc & KG are so indispensable for the Clips, economics 101 tells you you have to pay for it whether you think that KG and DOc are not that worthy, Clippers management obviously thinks so...are you Clippers management???




    I like how you reference Economics 101 but based on your post don't seem to understand economics.

     
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    Let the Clippers go out there and find their own deal. The team they have constructed cannot beat OKC, SA or Memphis. So why would CP3 resign there without a shot at getting Howard.

    If I'm CP3 I'm outta there. Hello Houston!!

     



    You may be right.  Although, an upgrade at the coaching position may influence Paul's decision.  Without Doc or another good coach agreeing to coach the Clippers Chris Paul won't resign with them.  

     
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    You are a troll! admit it...If Doc & KG are so indispensable for the Clips, economics 101 tells you you have to pay for it whether you think that KG and DOc are not that worthy, Clippers management obviously thinks so...are you Clippers management???

     



    First, just because someone has a different opinion doesn't make them a troll.  Otherwise YOU ARE A TROLL for disagreing with my post.  Grow up. 

     

    Second. Your response makes no sense.  Are you on meds?  I clearly stated that Garnett and Doc are NOT indispensible to the Clips.  Clippers management agrees since THEY pulled out of the deal.    



    ACCORDING TO YOU KG and DOC are not indispensable...to you and only you!!! ...the clips think they need them to win the championship..that makes them indispensable for the clippers...

     
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    and by the way, Boston doesnt need LA either!! Boston will go into rebuilding mode just as planned before this whole trading ideas went public...

     
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    I think kg would be very valuable to the clips.  He would play mostly in crunch times or set plays in half court.  I can see why they want him.  The celts need guys who can play minutes.  The clips need closers who can plays smart and finish games.  Cp3 is one, but griffin is not. He's ok on the floor though as long as he doesn't have the ball except in scoring position.  Kg is a guy who can run an offense through the post.  Not to mention leadership.  I think if they could get pp too they would be legit.  They could afford to lose Bledsoe and just shore up the combo guard and center.

     
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    KG is better than Jordan for 1-2 more years as a talent and impactful player on the court. Considering they make equal cash, and KG's 2nd year is a team option the Clips can walk away from, KG has more value than Jordan.

    Jordan only has more value than KG if we knew he would be resigned for like the 5 years at like the 7-8m a year he is worth after 2015, to be the rim defender/soul crushing dunker/10+ per game rebounder all teams would love to have, while boosting his FT's over 60%. Then we'd have him ages 27-31 on a young rebuilt team at reasonable cash. Only then is he worth more than the retired KG. No way is he worth more for 1 year, esp with CP3 all aboard with KG.

    Same with Doc. He is easily worth two 1st rd picks in the 20's. Especially if it guarantees CP3. KG is probably even be worth one of those picks thrown in alone in the swap for Jordan.

     




    What did they get for assistant coach SVG?  I agree with your thoughts on this.  Can't understand why others don't see it.

     
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    KG is better than Jordan for 1-2 more years as a talent and impactful player on the court. Considering they make equal cash, and KG's 2nd year is a team option the Clips can walk away from, KG has more value than Jordan.

    Jordan only has more value than KG if we knew he would be resigned for like the 5 years at like the 7-8m a year he is worth after 2015, to be the rim defender/soul crushing dunker/10+ per game rebounder all teams would love to have, while boosting his FT's over 60%. Then we'd have him ages 27-31 on a young rebuilt team at reasonable cash. Only then is he worth more than the retired KG. No way is he worth more for 1 year, esp with CP3 all aboard with KG.

    Same with Doc. He is easily worth two 1st rd picks in the 20's. Especially if it guarantees CP3. KG is probably even be worth one of those picks thrown in alone in the swap for Jordan.

     



    Excellent post. Not only is KG better, now but he does something the clips bigs are terrible at. he spaces the floor.  The rumours I'm readingalso  likely have Paul Pierce ending up with the clips as well, albeit that is a riskier proposiition for the clips and things could go wrong. 

     

    But still... if they get a haul of KG,  and Pierce (still a top five small forward) along with our coach and all we get back is an overpaid Jordan and a couple of very late round picks, (because that clips team is a title contender.) Then we have been royally screwed.

     

     

     

     
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    KG is better than Jordan for 1-2 more years as a talent and impactful player on the court. Considering they make equal cash, and KG's 2nd year is a team option the Clips can walk away from, KG has more value than Jordan.

    Jordan only has more value than KG if we knew he would be resigned for like the 5 years at like the 7-8m a year he is worth after 2015, to be the rim defender/soul crushing dunker/10+ per game rebounder all teams would love to have, while boosting his FT's over 60%. Then we'd have him ages 27-31 on a young rebuilt team at reasonable cash. Only then is he worth more than the retired KG. No way is he worth more for 1 year, esp with CP3 all aboard with KG.

    Same with Doc. He is easily worth two 1st rd picks in the 20's. Especially if it guarantees CP3. KG is probably even be worth one of those picks thrown in alone in the swap for Jordan.

     

     

     



    Excellent post. Not only is KG better, now but he does something the clips bigs are terrible at. he spaces the floor.  The rumours I'm readingalso  likely have Paul Pierce ending up with the clips as well, albeit that is a riskier proposiition for the clips and things could go wrong. 

     

     

     

    But still... if they get a haul of KG,  and Pierce (still a top five small forward) along with our coach and all we get back is an overpaid Jordan and a couple of very late round picks, (because that clips team is a title contender.) Then we have been royally screwed.

     

     

     

     



     

    The clips fired their coach on Chris Paul's say so. You have to assume logically they are making  a run at his first choice.

     

    I mean ifCP is willing to sign if you get Brian Shaw, you just get brian Shaw. You get him cheaper with no trades and no draft picks and he is easy to get rid of if he doesn't work out.

     

    NO. CP3 would have been happier with Doc and that is why the clips are going through this whole thing. 

    Now they have to tell CP3 that they still have crappy bigs who can't score on their own and can't spaced the floor, and they still have a backup point guard who is going to bolt in two years for more money than they can give and they are going to get him an unproven coach, instead of a championship coach. Whoohoo! 

     

    Love to hear that call. 

     
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    KG is better than Jordan for 1-2 more years as a talent and impactful player on the court. Considering they make equal cash, and KG's 2nd year is a team option the Clips can walk away from, KG has more value than Jordan.

    Jordan only has more value than KG if we knew he would be resigned for like the 5 years at like the 7-8m a year he is worth after 2015, to be the rim defender/soul crushing dunker/10+ per game rebounder all teams would love to have, while boosting his FT's over 60%. Then we'd have him ages 27-31 on a young rebuilt team at reasonable cash. Only then is he worth more than the retired KG. No way is he worth more for 1 year, esp with CP3 all aboard with KG.

    Same with Doc. He is easily worth two 1st rd picks in the 20's. Especially if it guarantees CP3. KG is probably even be worth one of those picks thrown in alone in the swap for Jordan.

     

     

     



    Excellent post. Not only is KG better, now but he does something the clips bigs are terrible at. he spaces the floor.  The rumours I'm readingalso  likely have Paul Pierce ending up with the clips as well, albeit that is a riskier proposiition for the clips and things could go wrong. 

     

     

     

    But still... if they get a haul of KG,  and Pierce (still a top five small forward) along with our coach and all we get back is an overpaid Jordan and a couple of very late round picks, (because that clips team is a title contender.) Then we have been royally screwed.

     

     

     

     



     

    The clips fired their coach on Chris Paul's say so. You have to assume logically they are making  a run at his first choice.

     

    I mean ifCP is willing to sign if you get Brian Shaw, you just get brian Shaw. You get him cheaper with no trades and no draft picks and he is easy to get rid of if he doesn't work out.

     

    NO. CP3 would have been happier with Doc and that is why the clips are going through this whole thing. 

    Now they have to tell CP3 that they still have crappy bigs who can't score on their own and can't spaced the floor, and they still have a backup point guard who is going to bolt in two years for more money than they can give and they are going to get him an unproven coach, instead of a championship coach. Whoohoo! 

     

    Love to hear that call. 



    First, you are making a HUGE, probably inccorrect assumption that the Clippers can't do a better deal eslewhere.  Perhaps strike a deal for a better younger C than Garnett.

    Second, maybe CP3 wanted Doc as his first choice... but who is to say IF CP3 will get along with Doc?  and who is to say IF CP3 is also OK with Brian Shaw or Hollins.   

     

     
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    A #1 for a coach who doesn't want to coach in Boston is enough. Jordan for KG at this point in his career is also enough. Danny should call the Clips and beg them to do the deal.

    Hire Shaw, get in the lottery next year, keep Rondo along with Green, Sully, Jordan, this years draft pick, and next years lottery pick and we could be a very good team. Trade PIerce and Bradley, either for picks or players who can score or rebound the ball. Jordan will never be close to as good as KG his been, but in two to three years, jordan could be just what we need!!

     
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    KG is better than Jordan for 1-2 more years as a talent and impactful player on the court. Considering they make equal cash, and KG's 2nd year is a team option the Clips can walk away from, KG has more value than Jordan.

    Jordan only has more value than KG if we knew he would be resigned for like the 5 years at like the 7-8m a year he is worth after 2015, to be the rim defender/soul crushing dunker/10+ per game rebounder all teams would love to have, while boosting his FT's over 60%. Then we'd have him ages 27-31 on a young rebuilt team at reasonable cash. Only then is he worth more than the retired KG. No way is he worth more for 1 year, esp with CP3 all aboard with KG.

    Same with Doc. He is easily worth two 1st rd picks in the 20's. Especially if it guarantees CP3. KG is probably even be worth one of those picks thrown in alone in the swap for Jordan.

     

     

     



    Excellent post. Not only is KG better, now but he does something the clips bigs are terrible at. he spaces the floor.  The rumours I'm readingalso  likely have Paul Pierce ending up with the clips as well, albeit that is a riskier proposiition for the clips and things could go wrong. 

     

     

     

    But still... if they get a haul of KG,  and Pierce (still a top five small forward) along with our coach and all we get back is an overpaid Jordan and a couple of very late round picks, (because that clips team is a title contender.) Then we have been royally screwed.

     

     

     

     



     

    The clips fired their coach on Chris Paul's say so. You have to assume logically they are making  a run at his first choice.

     

    I mean ifCP is willing to sign if you get Brian Shaw, you just get brian Shaw. You get him cheaper with no trades and no draft picks and he is easy to get rid of if he doesn't work out.

     

    NO. CP3 would have been happier with Doc and that is why the clips are going through this whole thing. 

    Now they have to tell CP3 that they still have crappy bigs who can't score on their own and can't spaced the floor, and they still have a backup point guard who is going to bolt in two years for more money than they can give and they are going to get him an unproven coach, instead of a championship coach. Whoohoo! 

     

    Love to hear that call. 

     

     



    First, you are making a HUGE, probably inccorrect assumption that the Clippers can't do a better deal eslewhere.  Perhaps strike a deal for a better younger C than Garnett.

     

     

    Second, maybe CP3 wanted Doc as his first choice... but who is to say IF CP3 will get along with Doc?  and who is to say IF CP3 is also OK with Brian Shaw or Hollins.   

     

     



    First off Really? You think other teams want to take Jordan's bad contract and give the clippers very real assets? Please come up with that trade I'd love to see it.  

     

     

    Secondly it doesn't matter in the future if CP3 will get along with Doc. It doesn't matter in the future if he wil get along with Shaw. His contract is up this year, not two years from now. They have to make him happy enough to sign right now.  If not with a coach at least with players he thinks can get him a  ring. 

     

     

    KG is an elite defender still and he spaces the floor. Jordan and Blake clog the lane and slow CP3 down.  

     

     
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    A #1 for a coach who doesn't want to coach in Boston is enough. Jordan for KG at this point in his career is also enough. Danny should call the Clips and beg them to do the deal.

    Hire Shaw, get in the lottery next year, keep Rondo along with Green, Sully, Jordan, this years draft pick, and next years lottery pick and we could be a very good team. Trade PIerce and Bradley, either for picks or players who can score or rebound the ball. Jordan will never be close to as good as KG his been, but in two to three years, jordan could be just what we need!!

     



    There are a whole bunch of things you are not factoring into the decsion KY. 

     

    like contracts and skill set. The Clippers have a point guard who can get to the rim at will. However oppsing teams can stay in the lane to help Because the clippers bigs can't shoot further than 3 feet from the basket. 

    Then their are contract issues as Ram pointed out. Like the fact that KG's second year, the clips can walk from, freeing up a lot of space. The Celtics can't do that with Jordan if he doesn't improve. 

     

    On doc there is the fact, that like him or not, he is regarded as one of the best coaches in the league which is why the clippers are willing to trade for him at all and pay his very high salary.

     

    If a coach is that well regarded it's possible to get more than a very late first round pick for him. 

     

    If Danny made the trade the clips want he'd be a laughingstock. 

     

     
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    A #1 for a coach who doesn't want to coach in Boston is enough. Jordan for KG at this point in his career is also enough. Danny should call the Clips and beg them to do the deal.

    Hire Shaw, get in the lottery next year, keep Rondo along with Green, Sully, Jordan, this years draft pick, and next years lottery pick and we could be a very good team. Trade PIerce and Bradley, either for picks or players who can score or rebound the ball. Jordan will never be close to as good as KG his been, but in two to three years, jordan could be just what we need!!

     



    There are a whole bunch of things you are not factoring into the decsion KY. 

     

    like contracts and skill set. The Clippers have a point guard who can get to the rim at will. However oppsing teams can stay in the lane to help Because the clippers bigs can't shoot further than 3 feet from the basket. 

    Then their are contract issues as Ram pointed out. Like the fact that KG's second year, the clips can walk from, freeing up a lot of space. The Celtics can't do that with Jordan if he doesn't improve. 

     

    On doc there is the fact, that like him or not, he is regarded as one of the best coaches in the league which is why the clippers are willing to trade for him at all and pay his very high salary.

     

    If a coach is that well regarded it's possible to get more than a very late first round pick for him. 

     

    If Danny made the trade the clips want he'd be a laughingstock. 

     

      A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, we know what we could have gotten, we may never have the chance to get that good of a deal again.


     
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