Misconceptions. Clippers Don't Need Boston

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    KG is better than Jordan for 1-2 more years as a talent and impactful player on the court. Considering they make equal cash, and KG's 2nd year is a team option the Clips can walk away from, KG has more value than Jordan.

    Jordan only has more value than KG if we knew he would be resigned for like the 5 years at like the 7-8m a year he is worth after 2015, to be the rim defender/soul crushing dunker/10+ per game rebounder all teams would love to have, while boosting his FT's over 60%. Then we'd have him ages 27-31 on a young rebuilt team at reasonable cash. Only then is he worth more than the retired KG. No way is he worth more for 1 year, esp with CP3 all aboard with KG.

    Same with Doc. He is easily worth two 1st rd picks in the 20's. Especially if it guarantees CP3. KG is probably even be worth one of those picks thrown in alone in the swap for Jordan.

     

     

     



    Excellent post. Not only is KG better, now but he does something the clips bigs are terrible at. he spaces the floor.  The rumours I'm readingalso  likely have Paul Pierce ending up with the clips as well, albeit that is a riskier proposiition for the clips and things could go wrong. 

     

     

     

    But still... if they get a haul of KG,  and Pierce (still a top five small forward) along with our coach and all we get back is an overpaid Jordan and a couple of very late round picks, (because that clips team is a title contender.) Then we have been royally screwed.

     

     

     

     



     

    The clips fired their coach on Chris Paul's say so. You have to assume logically they are making  a run at his first choice.

     

    I mean ifCP is willing to sign if you get Brian Shaw, you just get brian Shaw. You get him cheaper with no trades and no draft picks and he is easy to get rid of if he doesn't work out.

     

    NO. CP3 would have been happier with Doc and that is why the clips are going through this whole thing. 

    Now they have to tell CP3 that they still have crappy bigs who can't score on their own and can't spaced the floor, and they still have a backup point guard who is going to bolt in two years for more money than they can give and they are going to get him an unproven coach, instead of a championship coach. Whoohoo! 

     

    Love to hear that call. 

     

     



    First, you are making a HUGE, probably inccorrect assumption that the Clippers can't do a better deal eslewhere.  Perhaps strike a deal for a better younger C than Garnett.

     

     

    Second, maybe CP3 wanted Doc as his first choice... but who is to say IF CP3 will get along with Doc?  and who is to say IF CP3 is also OK with Brian Shaw or Hollins.   

     

     



    First off Really? You think other teams want to take Jordan's bad contract and give the clippers very real assets? Please come up with that trade I'd love to see it.  

     

     

    Secondly it doesn't matter in the future if CP3 will get along with Doc. It doesn't matter in the future if he wil get along with Shaw. His contract is up this year, not two years from now. They have to make him happy enough to sign right now.  If not with a coach at least with players he thinks can get him a  ring. 

     

     

    KG is an elite defender still and he spaces the floor. Jordan and Blake clog the lane and slow CP3 down.  

     

     
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    A #1 for a coach who doesn't want to coach in Boston is enough. Jordan for KG at this point in his career is also enough. Danny should call the Clips and beg them to do the deal.

    Hire Shaw, get in the lottery next year, keep Rondo along with Green, Sully, Jordan, this years draft pick, and next years lottery pick and we could be a very good team. Trade PIerce and Bradley, either for picks or players who can score or rebound the ball. Jordan will never be close to as good as KG his been, but in two to three years, jordan could be just what we need!!

     



    There are a whole bunch of things you are not factoring into the decsion KY. 

     

    like contracts and skill set. The Clippers have a point guard who can get to the rim at will. However oppsing teams can stay in the lane to help Because the clippers bigs can't shoot further than 3 feet from the basket. 

    Then their are contract issues as Ram pointed out. Like the fact that KG's second year, the clips can walk from, freeing up a lot of space. The Celtics can't do that with Jordan if he doesn't improve. 

     

    On doc there is the fact, that like him or not, he is regarded as one of the best coaches in the league which is why the clippers are willing to trade for him at all and pay his very high salary.

     

    If a coach is that well regarded it's possible to get more than a very late first round pick for him. 

     

    If Danny made the trade the clips want he'd be a laughingstock. 

     

     
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    A #1 for a coach who doesn't want to coach in Boston is enough. Jordan for KG at this point in his career is also enough. Danny should call the Clips and beg them to do the deal.

    Hire Shaw, get in the lottery next year, keep Rondo along with Green, Sully, Jordan, this years draft pick, and next years lottery pick and we could be a very good team. Trade PIerce and Bradley, either for picks or players who can score or rebound the ball. Jordan will never be close to as good as KG his been, but in two to three years, jordan could be just what we need!!

     



    There are a whole bunch of things you are not factoring into the decsion KY. 

     

    like contracts and skill set. The Clippers have a point guard who can get to the rim at will. However oppsing teams can stay in the lane to help Because the clippers bigs can't shoot further than 3 feet from the basket. 

    Then their are contract issues as Ram pointed out. Like the fact that KG's second year, the clips can walk from, freeing up a lot of space. The Celtics can't do that with Jordan if he doesn't improve. 

     

    On doc there is the fact, that like him or not, he is regarded as one of the best coaches in the league which is why the clippers are willing to trade for him at all and pay his very high salary.

     

    If a coach is that well regarded it's possible to get more than a very late first round pick for him. 

     

    If Danny made the trade the clips want he'd be a laughingstock. 

     

      A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, we know what we could have gotten, we may never have the chance to get that good of a deal again.


     
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    First, you are making a HUGE, probably inccorrect assumption that the Clippers can't do a better deal eslewhere.  Perhaps strike a deal for a better younger C than Garnett.

    Second, maybe CP3 wanted Doc as his first choice... but who is to say IF CP3 will get along with Doc?  and who is to say IF CP3 is also OK with Brian Shaw or Hollins.   

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    I think it is highly unlikely the Clippers can find a better C than KG for just Jordan and a draft pick this offseason. We are talking a 14/8 big with incredible defensive instincts even at an advanced age, who can both motivate/mentor Griffin, stay out of his way on offense with money 20 foot jumpers and run decently up and down the court with CP3, if his mins are managed.

    Who can they trade Jordan and a pick for who will give them that?

     
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    Clippers need Boston.......that's why this is on and off so much.

     
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    Remember the Clippers wanted Bledsoe and Butler so they could trade them in tandem at a future date, AFTER they had KG, Doc, CP3 resigned and likely Pierce as well to replace Butler.

    Instead they are left with (in most peoples opinion) a lesser coach, no KG, Doc and PP and dangling Jordan and a pick and Butler/Bledsoe for TWO upgrades they seek, one at the wing and one in the middle.

    They WILL NOT get an upgrade as good as KG with just Jordan and a pick... they will have to package Jordan and Bledsoe together, a duo the C's wanted but had actually relented to getting both of them.

     
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    I think it's kind of funny that a free agent can be seen as the team's GM.  Paul could make demands, have them satisfied, and then sign with another team leaving the Clips holding the bag for a coach they might not have hired otherwise.  Someone in Clipperland has thought of this, I'm sure.   

     

     


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    What team has a PF/C making 11m+ who would pair well with Griffin, get the blessing of CP3 and who that team would trade for Jordan and a #1?

    Amare? ha, KG even at 37 is better than the always injured team cancer Amare who would hinder Griffin's development/scoring and that deal would cost Butler to get the cash to work. Same for Boozer minus the injuries/cancer and the Bulls/Knicks have defensive 5's in Noah/Chandler.

    Maybe Nene or Okafor? Maybe to Cleve for Varejao and Alonzo Gee?

    Gortat and one of Phoenix's bad contracts (Frye/Beasley)?

    Gallinari? Robin Lopez?  hahahahaha

    Nope, there really are no C's who bring what KG does available for Jordan and a late 1st rd pick

     
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    Mark Heisler: #Celtics-Clippers, the fallout… Clipper source says they're in constant contact w/CP3--and he's OK w/deal falling apartTwitter @MarkHeisler
    Read more at http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm#LzRzvgsMSF8H4MLu.99 

    As I thought.  Contrary to speculation, CP3 is FINE without Doc.  Which logically suggests he is good with Shaw or Hollins

     
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    then he can have Shaw or Hollins.............

    we don't need just Jordan and a pick............

    CP3 will be complaining before the season even starts if the dominoes don't start falling in his favor

     
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    I still think a deal may happen with a face saving compromise by Danny.  Jordan, a first round, and a future conditional second round.

     
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    Dear Clippers,

     

    The point of this trade for you is getting rid of Jordan and upgrading at that position with someone who isn't a HUGE liability in the 4th quarter.

     

    Nobody in this league wants Jordan especially at his bloated salary. He is literally limted offensively to 3 feet around the rim. Defensively he blocks shots with as much finese as Fab Melo. Sure, he is 7'+ and probably able to jump over the rim, but that does not translate to good basketball. Literally his free throw % declined this season from ~50% to ~30%.

    You just killed your only viable shot at a championship with CP3.

    Regards,

    Reason

     
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    Dear Reason,

    You have no clue.  Thats why you aren't a GM in the NBA.  We are in constant communication with CP3 and in agreement on who we want and at what cost.  The Celtics aren't the only team that we are talking to, nor intend to talk to, and Garnett is only one of several players and scenarios that we are looking at.

    We have time on our side.  We're not desparate, like you, because of deadlines to make a decision on Pierce and the implications of Doc leaving or Garnett retiring... all in the next couple of weeks.   You know the deal that we are willing to accept.  We're moving on, maybe look at getting Howard now.  Where are you going?

    Regards,

    Clippers management

    PS:  I hope your not left hanging and at least get something for PP, Garnett and Doc.  Be a shame to walk away with nothing but some Cap space. 

     
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    Doc for 2 first rounders wrecked the deal and per below, looks like they may move forward with Byron Scott and save some money AND first round pick (or two).  Once again, Danny asked for too much and ended up with nothing... and now the Celtics are in complete disarray.   

     
    Mark Heisler: With #CP3 on board,#Clippers will wait for #Celtics to call back… if not will hire coach:I'm hearing Byron Scott over Brian Shaw in photo. Twitter @MarkHeisler

    Rumors tags BOSTON CELTICSLOS ANGELES CLIPPERSTRADEBYRON SCOTTCOACHINGBRIAN SHAW  |   SHARE   Share on Facebook Share on Twitter Subscribe to HoopsHype rumors

    Arash Markazi: The Clippers really like the candidates they've interviewed, which made it easier to walk away from this dealTwitter @ArashMarkazi

     
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    Dear Reason,

    You have no clue.  Thats why you aren't a GM in the NBA.  We are in constant communication with CP3 and in agreement on who we want and at what cost.  The Celtics aren't the only team that we are talking to, nor intend to talk to, and Garnett is only one of several players and scenarios that we are looking at.

    We have time on our side.  We're not desparate, like you, because of deadlines to make a decision on Pierce and the implications of Doc leaving or Garnett retiring... all in the next couple of weeks.   You know the deal that we are willing to accept.  We're moving on, maybe look at getting Howard now.  Where are you going?

    Regards,

    Clippers management

    PS:  I hope your not left hanging and at least get something for PP, Garnett and Doc.  Be a shame to walk away with nothing but some Cap space. 



    Dear Idiot,

    Sorry, I forgot that you are also a GM, my bad. Maybe you should look at yourself in the mirror and realize that nobody in this league wants Jordan or that monstrosity of a contract. Nobody other than the Celtics are going to facilitate the creation of a championship contending team for you. 

     

    Now, lets talk about time. True or False, the Celtics are in desperate need to win now mode because they haven't won a championship with guys on their current roster? True or False, the Clippers have a guy in his prime with a legit 5 year window left on his career to get a championship? True or False, the Clippers are under a lot more pressure to achieve success than the Celtics?

    So to recap, you're an idiot, not a GM either, Jordan is undesirable and there are very limited options to trade him for someone who will get you closer to a championship, and finally Chis Paul needs to win in order to ever be relevent in NBA history. If the Clippers refuse to facilitate a trade to make themselves a contender, Paul might leave (despite what he secretly whispers to you at night under the covers). The Clippers are under more pressure to win now than the Celtics. We just had our run. We won. We were inches away from winning multiples.

    Clippers are a joke of a franchise with their only hope at redemption in the form of a title. The biggest chance for them to win a title was to trade their trash and hype for a winner & champion, in KG and a HOF coach in Doc. KG & Doc by themselves would have attracked additional free agents looking to chip in to a run. Paul may have been bought out or traded and bought out and probably could have been convinced to join KG & Doc. That is literally taking 2 of a big 3 + the 2nd best coach in the NBA for low future 1st round picks, a bust and an overhyped guard.

     

    You lose.

     

     
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    Dear Loser,

    Excuse me, but I didn't realize that you are so close to "every team in the NBA" and you apparently know what they think!!  

    Not only that, but you can also project out into the future and let us all know that without Garnett and Doc the Clippers will not be able to get any quality FA...  

    but despite your amazing crystal ball and babling BS, just because the Clippers decided not to trade with the Celtics, doesn't mean that they won't add another high caliber player or two on the roster for NEXT season via trade or FA and compete for a championship.

    So to recap, its funny that you, who can predict the future, didn't see that it is actually YOU who is the IDIOT!  

    Signed,

    Go Bruins

     

     
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    there is no guarentee that CP3 will leave if the Clips don't get Rivers, but he is guarenteed to sign if they do get Rivers. i would love to see this backfire on LA and CP3 leaves, hopefully for Houston.

     

     
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    Dear Reason,

    You have no clue.  Thats why you aren't a GM in the NBA.  We are in constant communication with CP3 and in agreement on who we want and at what cost.  The Celtics aren't the only team that we are talking to, nor intend to talk to, and Garnett is only one of several players and scenarios that we are looking at.

    We have time on our side.  We're not desparate, like you, because of deadlines to make a decision on Pierce and the implications of Doc leaving or Garnett retiring... all in the next couple of weeks.   You know the deal that we are willing to accept.  We're moving on, maybe look at getting Howard now.  Where are you going?

    Regards,

    Clippers management

    PS:  I hope your not left hanging and at least get something for PP, Garnett and Doc.  Be a shame to walk away with nothing but some Cap space. 

     



    Dear Clippers.

     

     

    You are desperate because Chris Paul is looking at teaming up with Dwight Howard. Probably in Atlanta, if you don't show him something. Good luck with that. 

    There is a reason you're team has been a laughing stock since you came into the league. 

     

    Reason's Older Brother. 

     
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    Dear Loser,

    Excuse me, but I didn't realize that you are so close to "every team in the NBA" and you apparently know what they think!!  

    Not only that, but you can also project out into the future and let us all know that without Garnett and Doc the Clippers will not be able to get any quality FA...  

    but despite your amazing crystal ball and babling BS, just because the Clippers decided not to trade with the Celtics, doesn't mean that they won't add another high caliber player or two on the roster for NEXT season via trade or FA and compete for a championship.

    So to recap, its funny that you, who can predict the future, didn't see that it is actually YOU who is the IDIOT!  

    Signed,

    Go Bruins

     

     



    I didn't realize you were so close to the clippers that you are aware of their current relationship with Chris Paul. 

     However, one doesn't need a crystal ball to see that the Clippers are going to have a hard time finding a better deal. one only needs reason.  

     

     
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    there is no guarentee that CP3 will leave if the Clips don't get Rivers, but he is guarenteed to sign if they do get Rivers. i would love to see this backfire on LA and CP3 leaves, hopefully for Houston.

     



    I would love if he leaves too. Donald Sterling is one of the worst humans on the planet. It would serve him right. 

     
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