Missing Perk & Krstic a waste

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    Missing Perk & Krstic a waste

    Not seeing Krstic much on the floor is making me miss Perk more and more. with him, JO and Shaq we were such a force in the NBA and not anymore.

     I am sadden when I read the link below why missing Perk brings me unhappiness and seeing our chances to Banner #18 fading away (despite being up 2-0 big deal!!)

     
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    I sometimes miss that chipmunk scoul of his too, the problem is that people think we are struggling because of him.  Perk is a starting center who plays defense.  Our problem is a bench that cant score.  I much as I miss Perk, if he was here we would still be struggling, maybe more.  Wafer was here all year, but he cant get in the game.  The others are more newer, but baby has been here .  Played 53 minutes in 2 games and has 6 points.

    Perk starts for OKC, plays 5 minutes and then comes back for the last 5 minutes of the game.  They are basically saying, c'mon big fella, help us set the tone early and get some stops while we jump out to a lead and then sit down while we do our thing and come back in the last 5 minutes to guard the paint.

    Our problem is not just interior defense.  Our starters do well, but our bench stinks and it would stink even more if we hadnt traded perk, IMO
     
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    Re: Missing Perk & Krstic a waste

    I don't think Krstic is a waste. JO is getting his minutes right now, as he should.

    Stop whining about The Trade. Judge it at season's end.
     
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    The trade has been over for a couple of months now...please get a grip. There are 3 certainties in life; death, taxes and Danny making a trade. Get over it!
     
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    he grabbed 11 rebounds last night 25 minutes. We sure could use that. JO is playing great Defense but his rebounding is just okay. 
     
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    Do I miss Perks 5 pts and 8 rebs. a game (two playoff games), no.  Do I miss his fumbles, no.  Do I think having a decent backup for PP is more important, yes.  When Green gets the minutes his production will "perk" up.  Krstic is being treated like a rook by the refs and accumulates cheesy foul calls, which may also be a reason why he's not getting in as much (if at all).  
     
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    I n Response to Re: Missing Perk & Krstic a waste:
    The trade has been over for a couple of months now...please get a grip. There are 3 certainties in life; death, taxes and Danny making a trade. Get over it!
    Posted by walk2run


    lmao..true walk2.  The trade is history and bottom line is not Perkins ability but the bench not doing a dam thing.  JON is as good if not better than Perkins.  In fact he should be playing more and rebounding won't be such a problem.  If the bench can start to play with some energy and toughness the Celtics will run away with games but right now they are putrid.  Friday will be a big test for the bench and the C's in general. 
     
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    Mchampion JO is not as good a rebounder as Perk. He is as good a defender though. 
     
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    This is true.  JON used to be a beast on the boards, but he is exerting his little bit of energy on blocking shots.  I just want to give JON his credit. He is older, but he is a better rebounder than Perk, just not at this point in his career. Perk has averaged 6 or 7 boards a game his career, I believe.

    In 03' , Jermaine averaged 17 boards a game against us in the playoffs, and I still remember the way he abused poor Toine' on offense and defense.  He is just long in the tooth now. I will take the defense, but Kristic could help rebounding, IMO
     
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    Wow....I just read one of the dumbest, non-factual posts I have ever seen on this forum from jayshiz or whatever. 

    Let's go there:

    "Perk is a starting center who plays defense.  Our problem is a bench that cant score."

    Well, our bench has not played well, you're totally right there. But interior defense is a problem as well. Did you notice that Amare had his way with the Celts D in game one (and the Knicks would have won that game if Carmelo had been smart enough to keep feeding Amare the ball in the fourth quarter instead of shooting the Knicks out of the game). We were hammered on the glass in that game also. 


    "I much as I miss Perk, if he was here we would still be struggling, maybe more."

    You don't know that. What we do know is that the players we traded Perk for (Green, Krstic) have had very little impact. Green was supposed to be a great defender against Carmelo and Lebron (according to Ainge), thereby giving Pierce more of a rest. So far that's a total bust and Pierce has worn himself down a bit trying to guard Carmelo. 

    "Perk starts for OKC, plays 5 minutes and then comes back for the last 5 minutes of the game.  They are basically saying, c'mon big fella, help us set the tone early and get some stops while we jump out to a lead and then sit down while we do our thing and come back in the last 5 minutes to guard the paint."

    You're claiming he plays 10 minutes a game. He played way more than that in the regular season (where they finished with a great record) and in the playoffs he has averaged 25 minutes a game. 7 points and 11 boards was the last total. They will use him more against teams that have more inside beef, and the Thunder do have some enviable depth at that position, but your notion that Perk is a 10 minutes a game guy is just your fantasy that he is not really having an impact. 

    "Our problem is not just interior defense." Nope, but it's one of the problems. And if you think Perkins wouldn't be helping there more than Krstic there's nothing any of us can do for you.

    Having said that, going back to the OP, no, I don't hate Ainge...but I'll be pretty frustrated with him if his Shaq gamble doesn't pay off. I don't believe Shaq will be able to play much and as a result I think we won't advance to the finals) but I'm hoping to be wrong on all counts. Some Ainge Koolaid drinkers assure us otherwise, one recently posted that JON could carry us to the championship himself. Commie reassures us Shaq will be back and carry us along validating Ainge's move but of course Commie has been repeatedly wrong about Shaq's return timetable. But I hope Commie and the other dreamers are right!!! 
     
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    Re: Missing Perk & Krstic a waste

    Guys...  Kendrick Perkins is not walking through that door....
     
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    Wow, I dont know where to start...

    So far as interior defense, I dont think Perk could have done any more than JON did with his 4 blocks.

    I never said Kristic was the answer to our defensive problems, but he is here and Perk is not....How much are we gonna dwell on a guy not here.

    I didnt point out the way Perk is being used to discount his play, and yes he did play in between the two 5 minute intervals...I think you are assuming I mean he only played 10 minutes.

    I never said Perk wasnt making an impact in OKC, I said he wouldnt help this team from struggling because he is 1. a starter and not a scorer, and we need bench scoring Help.

    Now answer me this....If we traded Perk because Quis' got hurt, then who is on our bench if we dont trade Perk?  Big Baby...  So basically you think Big Baby is capable of spelling everyone on the starting 5 and he would do more by himself than a combo of him and Green and Kristic?  We had no bench...Nate was hurt, Quis was done and West was hurt...so Yes, we would be worst if we stood pat and didnt make a trade...because our bench would be Baby, Wafer, Luke and Semih.

    The last 3 would have never seen a minute in the playoffs...

    can we stop talking about Perk now.
     
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    Perk...who is he?  I have forgotten about him and so should the rest of you...I don't yearn for Tony Allen, Sheed, or PJ Brown...they are in the past and I'm dealing with the future....if you told me we would be in the playoffs and up 2 games in the first round, I'd be like...HAY..YEAH!  So get excited and root for what we got goin....you putz heads! 
     
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    Well its the play-offs, and so far the trade looks terrible.

    Danny's move was unprecedented in the history of the NBA. No one has ever changed a starting five that was expected by many, to be the leading contender for the NBA championship.

    Time is running out for Shaq to return, and be the factor that Danny hoped for.

    Before the trade, a depleted Celtic team competed successfully against the best in the NBA. After the trade, we have trouble against the Knicks in the play-offs?

    Unlike many on this board I am still open minded about the future. If Shaq comes back and he is a major factor, things may still turn around. the Celtics may have also let down their guards, after Amare went down, making the Celtics look more lame than they really are.

    Against all odds, Danny could still be a hero. However, if not, Danny should apply for a job with the Thunder. I see vilification in his future.
     
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    In Response to Re: Missing Perk & Krstic a waste:
    I sometimes miss that chipmunk scoul of his too, the problem is that people think we are struggling because of him.  Perk is a starting center who plays defense.  Our problem is a bench that cant score.  I much as I miss Perk, if he was here we would still be struggling, maybe more.  Wafer was here all year, but he cant get in the game.  The others are more newer, but baby has been here .  Played 53 minutes in 2 games and has 6 points. Perk starts for OKC, plays 5 minutes and then comes back for the last 5 minutes of the game.  They are basically saying, c'mon big fella, help us set the tone early and get some stops while we jump out to a lead and then sit down while we do our thing and come back in the last 5 minutes to guard the paint. Our problem is not just interior defense.  Our starters do well, but our bench stinks and it would stink even more if we hadnt traded perk, IMO
    Posted by JayShizzle45


    There are a lot of people who are driving to the hoop and getting cleaner looks because the help defense just isn't as fast anymore.  Jermaine O'Neal is a great defensive center, but he's aged.  Perk was an INTIMIDATOR with CHEMISTRY

    And with Krstic and Jeff Green looking lost, it would seemed they sacrificed 3-4 months of someone who actually knew what the h*ll they were doing for two outsiders who clearly won't have time to discover themselves before the Celtics get eliminated.
     
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    Well for one thing you don't rate Perk on his stats.  You can even ask Brooks about that.  I will tell you one thing, OKC are happy with him.  The Nuggets are and have been when Perk was a C, a tough guard for him.  The are smaller quick big men, the kind that give Perk trouble.  He will help more when they play the bigger slower guys.  It really peevs me that Kristic didn't even play last game. How can you help not being on the floor? 

    I read another article the other day and I agree and have posted on it before. The number one thing we lost with Perk was CHEMISTRY.  You can't trade half your team and keep it.  Even if your trading guys that don''t play.  Perkins not playing earlier didn't' matter, he was still on the team, they expected him back and he was part of their chemistry.  The key is Kristic and Green,  they need to be on the floor with RR and be agressive.  The first string can get by with RR for more minutes in the game than the second team can.
     
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    In Response to Re: Missing Perk & Krstic a waste : You're correct, the Celtics lost their team chemistry when half the team was replaced. It's simple, really, when 10 of the 15 players are newcomers team chemistry would surely be affected.  Don't forget that Perk is not the only one the Celtics traded at the trade deadline. After the trade deadline the Celtics got a new team. The Celtics are a team in transition. I'm not sure if the 1st round of the playoffs is enough time for the Celtics to jell. But the Celtics have no choice in the 2nd round, jell or not they have to find a way to beat the Miami Heat.
    Posted by Fiercest34


    Are you a prophet or son of a prophet?
     
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    Re: Missing Perk & Krstic a waste

    This all falls on the shoulders of Doc Rivers, he needs to adjust better to the players he has on his team. Krstic isn't an inside player he is a top of the key player, plus in the few minutes he is playing he isn't getting the ball down there anyway. Green runs the floor better then anyone on the team and will hit the open shot, but again he isn't getting the ball until they set up their offense. The second unit goes threw Davis, they give him the ball and everyone watches him because they know he isn't passing it. The problem is that Davis isn't getting it done but keeps shooting anyway. Also Ray is usually out there with the second unit and he can't create his own offense he relies on sharp picks and Rondo. With West out there he isn't able to get open shots as he would with Rondo and Pierce on the floor.
     
    The last game Davis missed three shots in a row, his guy scored on him three straight times. Doc calls a time out and takes Krstic out of the game and leaves Davis on the floor.  Doc is the one who needs to get better!
     
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    Re: Missing Perk & Krstic a waste

    It's amazing there were many Perkins bashers on this forum and the old forum. Where did they go? I loved Perk and defended him sometimes. But he was been spoiled to be surrounded by hall of famers. Yes, he was tough, very tough, but  he also had stone hands. He couldn't catch the ball and go straight up. He always had to do at least one pump before he went back up. Many times during those gyrations the ball got swatted away or the defense collapsed on him. He did shoot a high FG percentage, but his FT% was pretty bad. I feel this team coming together. I know the bench has a long ways to go, but Doc is just establishing his rotations. These guys need a little time to jell and the starters are playing good enough to buy them the time. The second string has serious talent (Jeff Green, BBD, Delonte, Kristic). Things will not be easy but the glass is half full. Wake up and smell the roses!
     
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    Well its the play-offs, and so far the trade looks terrible. Danny's move was unprecedented in the history of the NBA. No one has ever changed a starting five that was expected by many, to be the leading contender for the NBA championship. Time is running out for Shaq to return, and be the factor that Danny hoped for. Before the trade, a depleted Celtic team competed successfully against the best in the NBA. After the trade, we have trouble against the Knicks in the play-offs? Unlike many on this board I am still open minded about the future. If Shaq comes back and he is a major factor, things may still turn around. the Celtics may have also let down their guards, after Amare went down, making the Celtics look more lame than they really are. Against all odds, Danny could still be a hero. However, if not, Danny should apply for a job with the Thunder. I see vilification in his future.
    Posted by Jump-ball-overtime



    What do you mean by depleted?  Only guys missing early were West and JON was in and out...but why cant you face the facts.....Quis got hurt and he was playing very well off the bench...this is when we struggled and the trade was made....We can cry all we want...but this team doesnt go anywhere with Wafer, Luke, Semih as the bench...period.  Those are the breaks....I dont know why people keep acting like Danny wanted to trade Perk, he was a chip to get a backup for Pierce and it hasnt looked good yet....Let Green get better and let the playoffs end first...
     
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    Re: Missing Perk & Krstic a waste

    Dean, I agree with most of what you say.

    After two games, a lot of posters have written off the Celtics. However, like in 2008, they may just need time to figure things out. After all, the play-offs are played differently than the regular season.

    While I absolutely hated the Perk trade. I have a wait and see attitude.

    Shaq is traveling to New York, so he may be closer to a return.
     
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    Jay,

    I understand the motivation to get a back up player for Pierce, and it was necessary.

    What Ainge did, however, was unprecidented in NBA history. No one has ever changed a starting five that was expected by many, to be the leading contender for the NBA championship.

    ... and he did it for a back up player for Pierce, and third string center?

    Corry Brewer, a very good defensive specialist, was available and I doubt that the Celtics would have had to blow up the starting five of the 2008 championship team to get him.

    Yes Green and Krystic started for the Thunder, but we did not need starters, we needed back ups. Besides, both are now failing miserably as back ups. 

    Lets hope they come around as the play-offs continue. It is still possible. They are still learning to play together in a play-off atmosphere. ... and if anyone can make it work, it will be Doc.

     
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    Re: Missing Perk & Krstic a waste

    I too had a hard time understanding the Perk trade and it's been wait and see for me since the trade.  We all knew that the C's would probably be ok after the trade if Shaq could play like he did early in the season.  Having JO back has helped, but I am really beginning to wonder if pinning our hopes for a Perk-like inside presence coming from Shaq for the rest of the playoffs is a fool's bet. 
     
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    Re: Missing Perk & Krstic a waste

    playoff basketball is different than regular season basketball, almost as much as nba is different from college. jeff green' s stats looked great in regular season, but Doc knows the guy basically scks when the intensity gets ramped up, same for kristc. how bizarre that green, murphy, kristic, all these guys ainge went out and got dont even play much. we are going with Big 4 and no help.
     
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