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Re: Mitch Richmond
posted at 1/20/2011 10:51 AM EST
- kyceltic
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Mitch Richmond and Paul Pierce. Both players have 1 NBA title, Both have scored over 20,000 points. Both career scoring ave. about 22 per game, but which of these players, has won all star MVP, was rookie of the year, and was all NBA second team 3 times?
Comparing Pierce to Mitch Richmond, is not a put down guys!! -
Re: Mitch Richmond
posted at 1/20/2011 10:58 AM EST
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I love mitch. Had season tickets at kstate his senior year. Talked to him in a bar. But he was never as good as pierce or even close.
When did he win a title? I remember him mostly in places like sacramento. If he won a title, I doubt he was a centerpiece like PP was. -
Re: Mitch Richmond
posted at 1/20/2011 10:59 AM EST
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In Response to Re: Mitch Richmond:Mitch Richmond and Paul Pierce. Both players have 1 NBA title, Both have scored over 20,000 points. Both career scoring ave. about 22 per game, but which of these players, has won all star MVP, was rookie of the year, and was all NBA second team 3 times? Comparing Pierce to Mitch Richmond, is not a put down guys!!
Posted by kycelticGreat post!Just goes to show that you love players with shaved heads.HAHAHA!!! -
Re: Mitch Richmond
posted at 1/20/2011 11:03 AM EST
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In Response to Re: Mitch Richmond:I love mitch. Had season tickets at kstate his senior year. Talked to him in a bar. But he was never as good as pierce or even close. When did he win a title? I remember him mostly in places like sacramento. If he won a title, I doubt he was a centerpiece like PP was.
Posted by cole-elyRichmond won with the Lakers in 2002 when he was the 11th man on the roster.kyceltic is a Paul Pierce hater. He even said Antoine Walker is better than Paul Pierce. Go figure. -
Re: Mitch Richmond
posted at 1/20/2011 11:17 AM EST
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I am not sure why this post exists but I will chime in. I don't understand the comparison but let's make one thing clear-Pierce led a team to a championship while Richmond rode the bench for a team that won a championship playing a total of 4 playoff minutes. A HUGE difference. Their stats may be similar-but let's give Paul a little more credit he plays the game awfully hard as opposed to Mitch who was a shooter and nothing more. Let's also not forget (or perhaps we should) that Richmond had an insignificant career playing for Golden State, Sacramento and Washington before getting a ring as a scrub on the Lakers.
Pierce is having a hell of a year by the way. -
Re: Mitch Richmond
posted at 1/20/2011 11:21 AM EST
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In Response to Re: Mitch Richmond:I am not sure why this post exists but I will chime in. I don't understand the comparison but let's make one thing clear-Pierce led a team to a championship while Richmond rode the bench for a team that won a championship playing a total of 4 playoff minutes. A HUGE difference. Their stats may be similar-but let's give Paul a little more credit he plays the game awfully hard as opposed to Mitch who was a shooter and nothing more. Let's also not forget (or perhaps we should) that Richmond had an insignificant career playing for Golden State, Sacramento and Washington before getting a ring as a scrub on the Lakers. Pierce is having a hell of a year by the way.
Posted by speweyThat's because according to kyceltic, comparing Pierce to Larry Bird is like comparing Mitch Richmond to Michael Jordan. What I don't understand is kyceltic says he's a Celtic fan, but he hates Paul Pierce to the utmost extreme. I mean, so far, he's the only Celtic fan on this forum that hates Paul Pierce.kyceltic also intentionally left out the part where Paul Pierce is a Finals MVP and Richmond is not. -
Re: Mitch Richmond
posted at 1/20/2011 11:39 AM EST
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In Response to Re: Mitch Richmond:In Response to Re: Mitch Richmond : That's because according to kyceltic, comparing Pierce to Larry Bird is like comparing Mitch Richmond to Michael Jordan. What I don't understand is kyceltic says he's a Celtic fan, but he hates Paul Pierce to the utmost extreme. I mean, so far, he's the only Celtic fan on this forum that hates Paul Pierce. kyceltic also intentionally left out the part where Paul Pierce is a Finals MVP and Richmond is not.
Posted by P34
I stand by the statement about comparing Pierce tp Bird. As for intentionally leaving that part out!! Prove It!!! -
Re: Mitch Richmond
posted at 1/20/2011 11:54 AM EST
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In Response to Re: Mitch Richmond:In Response to Re: Mitch Richmond : I stand by the statement about comparing Pierce tp Bird. As for intentionally leaving that part out!! Prove It!!!
Posted by kycelticLarry Bird is my favorite NBA player of all-time. Pierce will always be 2nd to Bird in my book.It's true that all the fans here don't agree with you when you say is Pierce is just a Mitch Richmond type of player. Only a Paul Pierce hater would say something like that.All Celtic fans know that Pierce was the Finals MVP in 2008. It's impossible that you didn't know that. -
Re: Mitch Richmond
posted at 1/20/2011 12:26 PM EST
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People don't like Paul Pierce because he is a "Drama Queen". He acts like he is contipated on every shot. Check out pictures in the Globe. His face is contorted on every play. Very good ballplayer, but not the guy who brings fans closer, with his wheel-chair act.
The real laugh is the belief that every Celtic is the best at his position. Perk is the #1 Center. OOPS! Rondo is the best PG. OH! Pierce is the best SF. REALLY?
Always look at how many times the current Celtic Hero has made 1st or 2nd team ALL-PRO. Then look at the past Celtic Heroes, and see how they stood in the league.
Surprise.
Celtic fan since 1949. -
Re: Mitch Richmond
posted at 1/20/2011 2:10 PM EST
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I don't want to get into comparing Mitch and Paul. It's nice to start a thread to remember Mitch Richmond though. As many of you know, I live near Sacramento. I watched Mitch for years with the Warriors and Kings during his prime. He was a great player. His game was more similar to Ray Allen's than to Paul Pierce's. Mitch was much Like Ray and even Reggie Miller in his ability to work very hard to get open. All 3 were experts in running without the ball in the half court offense and losing their defenders in the crowd to get open. All 3 could bury the jumper on the catch as well as anybody. -
Re: Mitch Richmond
posted at 1/20/2011 8:30 PM EST
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In Response to Re: Mitch Richmond:I don't want to get into comparing Mitch and Paul. It's nice to start a thread to remember Mitch Richmond though. As many of you know, I live near Sacramento. I watched Mitch for years with the Warriors and Kings during his prime. He was a great player. His game was more similar to Ray Allen's than to Paul Pierce's. Mitch was much Like Ray and even Reggie Miller in his ability to work very hard to get open. All 3 were experts in running without the ball in the half court offense and losing their defenders in the crowd to get open. All 3 could bury the jumper on the catch as well as anybody.
Posted by mem17Your right both Ray and Mitch only played offense. -
Re: Mitch Richmond
posted at 1/20/2011 8:35 PM EST
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In Response to Re: Mitch Richmond:In Response to Re: Mitch Richmond : Your right both Ray and Mitch only played offense.
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I didn't write that. I can't recall Mitch's defense, but I know Ray plays good D when he has to. -
Re: Mitch Richmond
posted at 1/20/2011 8:41 PM EST
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Peja will be a good addition to the Celtics, he was waived by the Raptors. -
Re: Mitch Richmond
posted at 1/20/2011 9:04 PM EST
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Mitch Richmond was a very good player. I suppose Pierce has had a bit of a better career but there wasn't anything wrong with Richmond. I know you are just trying to mess with KY but being compared to Richmond isn't that bad.He was a 6 time all star. The main difference is that Pierce has maintained his high level of play while Richmond went downhill his last 5 or 6 years. -
Re: Mitch Richmond
posted at 1/20/2011 9:14 PM EST
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Richmond was hurt playing for very average teams in Sacramento and Washington. Was traded to Washington for Webber wasn't he? So he was traded by the Kings right before they became a force.
If Golden State had held their nerve and kept Richmond, Hardaway and Mullin together they'd have been a very good team.
Trading Richmond for Billy Owens was a disastrous move.
Richmond was a solid player, he was very good. I'd put Pierce ahead of him as he's really had more chance to shine over the last four seasons with the Celtics.
Richmond never had those opportunities. I don't see Richmond as a guy who made his team mates better or have the ability to lead a team to the finals. He needed guys around him. Like most other players. And for Richmond that wasn't the case after Golden State. -
Re: Mitch Richmond
posted at 1/20/2011 10:28 PM EST
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In Response to Re: Mitch Richmond:Mitch Richmond and Paul Pierce. Both players have 1 NBA title, Both have scored over 20,000 points. Both career scoring ave. about 22 per game, but which of these players, has won all star MVP, was rookie of the year, and was all NBA second team 3 times? Comparing Pierce to Mitch Richmond, is not a put down guys!!
Posted by kyceltic
It's a very poor comparison.
The bench warming Mitch on LA in his last season vs. the finals MVP Pierce in '08 makes it downright idiotic.
Take rings out of the equasion and look at skills/careers:
Pierce historically compares most to players like Elgin Baylor, John Havlicek, Adrian Dantley, Rick Barry, Bernard King and Clyde Drexler.
Richmond compares to Hal Greer, Eddie Johnson, Dave Bing, Walter Davis, Rolando Blackmon and Vince Carter -
Re: Mitch Richmond
posted at 1/20/2011 10:49 PM EST
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In Response to Re: Mitch Richmond:Richmond was hurt playing for very average teams in Sacramento and Washington. Was traded to Washington for Webber wasn't he? So he was traded by the Kings right before they became a force. If Golden State had held their nerve and kept Richmond, Hardaway and Mullin together they'd have been a very good team. Trading Richmond for Billy Owens was a disastrous move. Richmond was a solid player, he was very good. I'd put Pierce ahead of him as he's really had more chance to shine over the last four seasons with the Celtics. Richmond never had those opportunities. I don't see Richmond as a guy who made his team mates better or have the ability to lead a team to the finals. He needed guys around him. Like most other players. And for Richmond that wasn't the case after Golden State.
Posted by RUWorthy
The RUN TMC days....man they were good!!!! No defense at all, but they could score!! -
Re: Mitch Richmond
posted at 1/20/2011 10:50 PM EST
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In Response to Re: Mitch Richmond:Peja will be a good addition to the Celtics, he was waived by the Raptors.
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Peja, is that you???? LOL -
Re: Mitch Richmond
posted at 1/20/2011 10:52 PM EST
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You gotta rank the all-time greatest by Tier's (in no order within)
Tier 1:
MJ
Russ
Wilt
Magic
Bird
Kobe
Kareem
Tier 2:
Dr J
K. Malone
M. Malone
Hakeem
Shaq
Oscar
West
Stockton
Duncan
Garnett
Barkley
Hayes
Cousy
Wilkins
Pettit
Gervin
Tier 3
Pippen
Barry
Havlicek
Mikan
Ewing
Gilmore
Pierce
Ray
Reggie
Kidd
Parish
McHale
Cowens
S. Jones
Pistol
Isiah
English
Issel
Dirk
Payton
Pierce
Iverson
Drexler
Frazier
LBJ
D. Robinson
Nash
Lanier
B. King
McAdoo
Bellamy
These tier's double as you go.. 7, 15, 30 kinda deal
Mitch is in tier 4... with like 60 other players, and Celtics like DJ, JoJo, Heinsohn Silas and Walton... I'd say Wade, Pau, Melo, Amare, J. Johnson, Hill, Parker, Billups, Bosh are solidly in this 4th group, a few more seasons and some will be tier 3 for sure.... some of the top rebounders ever (Rodman, Unseld, Thurmond) and assists guys (Jackson, Strickland, Cheeks) are Tier 4 players.
There are only a couple NBA champions ever since 1960 (like the '79 Sonics and '04 Pistons) to win a title without a top 50/tier 1-3 player. Of course they had 2 tier 4 players at least and 4 all-stars.
Anyone who has not played 7 years in the game like DWill/CP3/Howard/Durant, who will be there soon, can't really be considered yet -
Re: Mitch Richmond
posted at 1/20/2011 11:59 PM EST
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Job well done remakeup, but where does Joe Klein fit in to the mix? -
Re: Mitch Richmond
posted at 1/21/2011 12:03 AM EST
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tier 617 -
Re: Mitch Richmond
posted at 1/21/2011 12:14 AM EST
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In Response to Re: Mitch Richmond:In Response to Re: Mitch Richmond : I didn't write that. I can't recall Mitch's defense, but I know Ray plays good D when he has to.
Posted by mem17That was for KY. Just kidding. Chill -
Re: Mitch Richmond
posted at 1/21/2011 10:38 AM EST
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In Response to Re: Mitch Richmond:You gotta rank the all-time greatest by Tier's (in no order within) Tier 1: MJ Russ Wilt Magic Bird Kobe Kareem Tier 2: Dr J K. Malone M. Malone Hakeem Shaq Oscar West Stockton Duncan Garnett Barkley Hayes Cousy Wilkins Pettit Gervin Tier 3 Pippen Barry Havlicek Mikan Ewing Gilmore Pierce Ray Reggie Kidd Parish McHale Cowens S. Jones Pistol Isiah English Issel Dirk Payton Pierce Iverson Drexler Frazier LBJ D. Robinson Nash Lanier B. King McAdoo Bellamy These tier's double as you go.. 7, 15, 30 kinda deal Mitch is in tier 4... with like 60 other players, and Celtics like DJ, JoJo, Heinsohn Silas and Walton... I'd say Wade, Pau, Melo, Amare, J. Johnson, Hill, Parker, Billups, Bosh are solidly in this 4th group, a few more seasons and some will be tier 3 for sure.... some of the top rebounders ever (Rodman, Unseld, Thurmond) and assists guys (Jackson, Strickland, Cheeks) are Tier 4 players. There are only a couple NBA champions ever since 1960 (like the '79 Sonics and '04 Pistons) to win a title without a top 50/tier 1-3 player. Of course they had 2 tier 4 players at least and 4 all-stars. Anyone who has not played 7 years in the game like DWill/CP3/Howard/Durant, who will be there soon, can't really be considered yet
Posted by rameakap
Man you are on your game, But Oscar has to be tier one, and Shaq and The Dream, would round out my tier one group. Maybe West, yeah West would be in there. Great post!! -
Re: Mitch Richmond
posted at 1/21/2011 10:48 AM EST
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In Response to Re: Mitch Richmond:In Response to Re: Mitch Richmond : Man you are on your game, But Oscar has to be tier one, and Shaq and The Dream, would round out my tier one group. Maybe West, yeah West would be in there. Great post!!
Posted by kycelticResorting to bum kissing now? -
Re: Mitch Richmond
posted at 1/21/2011 12:27 PM EST
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In Response to Re: Mitch Richmond:In Response to Re: Mitch Richmond : Resorting to bum kissing now?
Posted by P34
Are you calling remeakap a bum? Why not give the guy credit for a well thought out post. Oh i know why, because he said Ray was better than Pierce.
That's okay, Pierce is better then Mike Miller!! HAHAHA