More proof the Celtics are tanking

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    More proof the Celtics are tanking

     The Celtics are 29.4 points per 100 possessions better with Faverani on the bench and 17.5 better without Olynyk. Yet, they’re getting more burn than Sullinger and Humphries. Perhaps the Celtics are applying a slow-play strategy, accelerating the maturity of their rookies. But Sully’s part of their future, too, and his performance has been better than both rooks across the board.

    And, for some strange reason, Humphries hasn’t played a minute since dropping 14 and eight in the opener as Sullinger sat with a suspension. Hump was a plus-10 in eight minutes alongside Avery Bradley, Jeff Green, Gerald Wallace and Bass, and then plus-7 in five minutes when Jordan Crawford subbed for Bradley. Those remain the team’s best plus-minus numbers. And Humphries snatched seven contested rebounds against the Raptors, a limited sample size that stands atop NBA.com’s Player Tracking statistics.

    None of these guys are great defensively, and perhaps the young guns may improve over time, but at least the rebounding of Sullinger and Humphries allows fewer opportunities for the Celtics to be poor defensively.

    http://greenstreet.weei.com/sports/boston/basketball/celtics/2013/11/05/stat-man-addressing-celtics-big-problem/

     
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    Re: More proof the Celtics are tanking

    all well and good. still don't believe Cs are tanking, and will in fact show up frisky tonight and win. who better to discombobulate nelson than our boy avery?

     
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    Re: More proof the Celtics are tanking

    You are not seriously implying if the mediocre Humphries had more playing time the Celts would have more victories are you? 

    That's a ludicrous argument. To connect his playing time to tanking is absurd. 

    As for Sully he was hurt - wakeup! He's been averaging 20+ minutes the last two games. 

    Stephens is clearly coaching to win. Where the tanking part comes in is that Ainge has designed a roster intended to build the youth movement while losing lots of games while playing hard. 

    Call it ethical tanking.

     
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    Re: More proof the Celtics are tanking

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    You are not seriously implying if the mediocre Humphries had more playing time the Celts would have more victories are you? 

    That's a ludicrous argument. To connect his playing time to tanking is absurd. 

    As for Sully he was hurt - wakeup! He's been averaging 20+ minutes the last two games. 

    Stephens is clearly coaching to win. Where the tanking part comes in is that Ainge has designed a roster intended to build the youth movement while losing lots of games while playing hard. 

    Call it ethical tanking.

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    +1

    I would have been okay with unintentional tanking as well, but your point is well served, sir!

     
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    Re: More proof the Celtics are tanking

    In response to chris33's comment:
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     The Celtics are 29.4 points per 100 possessions better with Faverani on the bench and 17.5 better without Olynyk. Yet, they’re getting more burn than Sullinger and Humphries. Perhaps the Celtics are applying a slow-play strategy, accelerating the maturity of their rookies. But Sully’s part of their future, too, and his performance has been better than both rooks across the board.

    And, for some strange reason, Humphries hasn’t played a minute since dropping 14 and eight in the opener as Sullinger sat with a suspension. Hump was a plus-10 in eight minutes alongside Avery Bradley, Jeff Green, Gerald Wallace and Bass, and then plus-7 in five minutes when Jordan Crawford subbed for Bradley. Those remain the team’s best plus-minus numbers. And Humphries snatched seven contested rebounds against the Raptors, a limited sample size that stands atop NBA.com’s Player Tracking statistics.

    None of these guys are great defensively, and perhaps the young guns may improve over time, but at least the rebounding of Sullinger and Humphries allows fewer opportunities for the Celtics to be poor defensively.

    http://greenstreet.weei.com/sports/boston/basketball/celtics/2013/11/05/stat-man-addressing-celtics-big-problem/

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    Well, something is working out (defensively anyway) The Celtics have one of the highest ranked defenses in the league. in Fact the 93.4 Points  a game they are allowing is second best in the NBA. 

     

     
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    Re: More proof the Celtics are tanking

    Isolated stats can be used anyway you want them to prove or disprove a point... Not reality in most cases

     

     

     
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    Re: More proof the Celtics are tanking

    In response to BostonTrollSpanker's comment:
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    You are not seriously implying if the mediocre Humphries had more playing time the Celts would have more victories are you? 

    That's a ludicrous argument. To connect his playing time to tanking is absurd. 

    As for Sully he was hurt - wakeup! He's been averaging 20+ minutes the last two games. 

    Stephens is clearly coaching to win. Where the tanking part comes in is that Ainge has designed a roster intended to build the youth movement while losing lots of games while playing hard. 

    Call it ethical tanking.

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    Sullinger and Humphries should be our starting bigs.

    Playing Bradley at the point and the rookie bigs is tanking.

    No quesiton.

     
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    Re: More proof the Celtics are tanking

    Fav, Sully, and KO are all playing very good at times and deserve to play.  Bass is being shopped and Hump who the Nets traded is not leading us to the promised land, why was he traded?? It is part of rebuilding and coach is doing a good job and he is tough enough to do it.  There is no tanking, if Rondo was playing we might be 5-0.  Fav had a bad 5 minutes and the rest of the team had the same bad five minutes.  He is on the bench because KO played great and is beginning to come into his own.  Stats are deceptive early in a player's career and early in the year.  We are rebuilding and it takes time.  This coach seems to know how.  

     
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    In response to BostonTrollSpanker's comment:
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    You are not seriously implying if the mediocre Humphries had more playing time the Celts would have more victories are you? 

    That's a ludicrous argument. To connect his playing time to tanking is absurd. 

    As for Sully he was hurt - wakeup! He's been averaging 20+ minutes the last two games. 

    Stephens is clearly coaching to win. Where the tanking part comes in is that Ainge has designed a roster intended to build the youth movement while losing lots of games while playing hard. 

    Call it ethical tanking.

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    Sullinger and Humphries should be our starting bigs.

    Playing Bradley at the point and the rookie bigs is tanking.

    No quesiton.

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    Disagree............we have no Rondo, and no real backup PG on the roster.  I would say starting Pressey would be tanking.

    Humphries should be playing more, that I do agree with.  Bradley, Green, Wallace, Bass and Humphries is our best 5 at the moment.

    Lee, Crawford, either Wallace or Green, with Sully and KO is our bench.  FAV hasn't done enough yet

     
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    Re: More proof the Celtics are tanking

    In response to maryngary's comment:
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    Fav, Sully, and KO are all playing very good at times and deserve to play.  Bass is being shopped and Hump who the Nets traded is not leading us to the promised land, why was he traded?? It is part of rebuilding and coach is doing a good job and he is tough enough to do it.  There is no tanking, if Rondo was playing we might be 5-0.  Fav had a bad 5 minutes and the rest of the team had the same bad five minutes.  He is on the bench because KO played great and is beginning to come into his own.  Stats are deceptive early in a player's career and early in the year.  We are rebuilding and it takes time.  This coach seems to know how.  

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    KO is playing great?

    Do you even watch the games?

     

     
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    Re: More proof the Celtics are tanking

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    In response to chris33's comment:
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    In response to BostonTrollSpanker's comment:
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    You are not seriously implying if the mediocre Humphries had more playing time the Celts would have more victories are you? 

    That's a ludicrous argument. To connect his playing time to tanking is absurd. 

    As for Sully he was hurt - wakeup! He's been averaging 20+ minutes the last two games. 

    Stephens is clearly coaching to win. Where the tanking part comes in is that Ainge has designed a roster intended to build the youth movement while losing lots of games while playing hard. 

    Call it ethical tanking.

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    Sullinger and Humphries should be our starting bigs.

    Playing Bradley at the point and the rookie bigs is tanking.

    No quesiton.

    [/QUOTE]


    Disagree............we have no Rondo, and no real backup PG on the roster.  I would say starting Pressey would be tanking.

    Humphries should be playing more, that I do agree with.  Bradley, Green, Wallace, Bass and Humphries is our best 5 at the moment.

    Lee, Crawford, either Wallace or Green, with Sully and KO is our bench.  FAV hasn't done enough yet

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    Crawford is much better at the point than Bradley. Stevens finally figured that one out.

     
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    Re: More proof the Celtics are tanking

    In response to BostonTrollSpanker's comment:
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    You are not seriously implying if the mediocre Humphries had more playing time the Celts would have more victories are you? 

    That's a ludicrous argument. To connect his playing time to tanking is absurd. 

    As for Sully he was hurt - wakeup! He's been averaging 20+ minutes the last two games. 

    Stephens is clearly coaching to win. Where the tanking part comes in is that Ainge has designed a roster intended to build the youth movement while losing lots of games while playing hard. 

    Call it ethical tanking.

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    + 1

     
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    Re: More proof the Celtics are tanking

    Funny...we just won and all I see is an efficient bunch...a coach that after only 6 games as a rookie coach, looks like figured out the best rotation. This is going to get interesting and its far from tanking...

     

    Bos only shooting 28 percent from 3...things can only get better...

     
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    Funny...we just won and all I see is an efficient bunch...a coach that after only 6 games as a rookie coach, looks like figured out the best rotation. This is going to get interesting and its far from tanking...

     

    Bos only shooting 28 percent from 3...things can only get better...

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    Crawford and Pressey at the point makes a big difference.

    Stevens has also figured out that Faverani is not a starter yet.

     
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  18. You have chosen to ignore posts from cabutan. Show cabutan's posts

    Re: More proof the Celtics are tanking

    4 games? Who told you? Confidences from the call center? Just playin!

     
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    Re: More proof the Celtics are tanking

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    In response to cabutan's comment:
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    Funny...we just won and all I see is an efficient bunch...a coach that after only 6 games as a rookie coach, looks like figured out the best rotation. This is going to get interesting and its far from tanking...

     

    Bos only shooting 28 percent from 3...things can only get better...

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    Crawford and Pressey at the point makes a big difference.

    Stevens has also figured out that Faverani is not a starter yet.

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    Pressey is not very good.  And I hope Stevens figures out what to do with Hump before too long.

     

     
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    In response to hedleylamarr's comment:
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    In response to chris33's comment:
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    In response to cabutan's comment:
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    Funny...we just won and all I see is an efficient bunch...a coach that after only 6 games as a rookie coach, looks like figured out the best rotation. This is going to get interesting and its far from tanking...

     

    Bos only shooting 28 percent from 3...things can only get better...

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    Crawford and Pressey at the point makes a big difference.

    Stevens has also figured out that Faverani is not a starter yet.

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    Pressey is not very good.  And I hope Stevens figures out what to do with Hump before too long.

     

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    Pressey is ok. He fills in minutes for a position we lack guys at. Hump, is doing fine in the bench. Trading him is not Stevens job. Even if he gets traded, you can only play certain amount of guys (9-10) but not all the roster..so, he is fine in the bench in my opinion

     
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