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    #1Trade Rondo for Chris Paul.   Trade Baby and Rondo to get him.
    #2 Sign and trade Green for Deandre Jordan (Clippers need  Small forward and can you imagine green and Blake in transition..)  They already have Kaman who they won't be able to get rid of.
    #3 Resign DWest
    #4 Sign BAttier  (2 years bi annual exception)
    #5 Full Mid level exception (Carl Landry) or just something around 4million
    #6 Resign Krisitic for low money

    Starters
    PG: Chris Paul
    SG: Paul Pierce
    SF: Shane Battier
    PF: KG
    C: Deandre Jordan

    Bench
    Carl Landry, RA, Delonte, Kristic, JO, Avery Bradley

    This team would compete and would be more athletic..  After the year we would be in a good position to Sell D Howard as Garnett, and Allen could resign for Vet Minimums for a couple of years.  IT would give Howard and Paul 2 legit years to contend and with the 2 of them they'd have the base for years to come.

    All a pipe dream but if they can gety Paul it could be possible.   Deandre Jordan could be traded even to Orlando this year with some other players if Orlando decides to unload which they should.

     
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    Relegating RA to the bench is interesting.  He's the guy who never looked gassed in the playoffs, who came through with torrid shooting all the while chasing the NBA's dirtiest player around.  Replacing him with PP, who can't stay with SGs, doesn't make any sense.  I have a strong feeling that Ainge will probably improve by addition rather than by rearrangement.  A legit center, one that rebounds and can play D with his feet, probably with another athletic PF, might make the most sense.  Reading the fantasies rumbling around with Howard and CP coming to Boston, along with every other A-listplayer who wants to win a championship, is getting absurd.  Ainge might make a trade but will it be a "blockbuster"?  Pro'ly not.
     
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    RA is 36 in a month.  He is in great shape but for his shot to fall he needs his legs. If you want him to be productive for a few more years he needs to be playing 28 minutes at the most..

    Pierce can't stay will all 2 guards but most can stay with him either.  As is he is a much better defender than Ray Allen ever will be.  Battier and Pierce could also swith depending on Matchups.  

    Bottom Line is Rondo and Green in 2012 isn't something to look forward to..  We need to retool for a new superstar hopefully 2...  We do have a few assets left.  Now is the time..

    Let's try to be a bit more positive..  Shouldn't read this board if you don't like a little bit of fantasy..
     
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    [QUOTE]#1Trade Rondo for Chris Paul.   Trade Baby and Rondo to get him. #2 Sign and trade Green for Deandre Jordan (Clippers need  Small forward and can you imagine green and Blake in transition..)  They already have Kaman who they won't be able to get rid of. #3 Resign DWest #4 Sign BAttier  (2 years bi annual exception) #5 Full Mid level exception (Carl Landry) or just something around 4million #6 Resign Krisitic for low money Starters PG: Chris Paul SG: Paul Pierce SF: Shane Battier PF: KG C: Deandre Jordan Bench Carl Landry, RA, Delonte, Kristic, JO, Avery Bradley This team would compete and would be more athletic..  After the year we would be in a good position to Sell D Howard as Garnett, and Allen could resign for Vet Minimums for a couple of years.  IT would give Howard and Paul 2 legit years to contend and with the 2 of them they'd have the base for years to come. All a pipe dream but if they can gety Paul it could be possible.   Deandre Jordan could be traded even to Orlando this year with some other players if Orlando decides to unload which they should.
    Posted by celticjay[/QUOTE]

    There is a reason drugs are illegal......

    The very simple explanation is that if a player wears green.... they are vastly overrated.

    If a player wears something other than green... they are vastly underrated.

    Boston is some sort of destination becuase of "mystique", "pride", etc.  There are very few players in the league that even know that the Cs were once a premier franchise.

    Dwight Howard will go to a team that has a chance to win - now and over the long run.... there are many many options, the Cs are none of them.

    DeAndre Jordan is going nowhere, they have his contract and they have a legit chance to contend especially now that the Lakers and Spurs are on the decline.

    Do you even know what is going on in the league?

     
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    [QUOTE]#1Trade Rondo for Chris Paul.   Trade Baby and Rondo to get him. #2 Sign and trade Green for Deandre Jordan (Clippers need  Small forward and can you imagine green and Blake in transition..)  They already have Kaman who they won't be able to get rid of. #3 Resign DWest #4 Sign BAttier  (2 years bi annual exception) #5 Full Mid level exception (Carl Landry) or just something around 4million #6 Resign Krisitic for low money Starters PG: Chris Paul SG: Paul Pierce SF: Shane Battier PF: KG C: Deandre Jordan Bench Carl Landry, RA, Delonte, Kristic, JO, Avery Bradley This team would compete and would be more athletic..  After the year we would be in a good position to Sell D Howard as Garnett, and Allen could resign for Vet Minimums for a couple of years.  IT would give Howard and Paul 2 legit years to contend and with the 2 of them they'd have the base for years to come. All a pipe dream but if they can gety Paul it could be possible.   Deandre Jordan could be traded even to Orlando this year with some other players if Orlando decides to unload which they should.
    Posted by celticjay[/QUOTE]
    Allen and Garnett are too old.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to move to make : There is a reason drugs are illegal...... The very simple explanation is that if a player wears green.... they are vastly overrated. If a player wears something other than green... they are vastly underrated. Boston is some sort of destination becuase of "mystique", "pride", etc.  There are very few players in the league that even know that the Cs were once a premier franchise. Dwight Howard will go to a team that has a chance to win - now and over the long run.... there are many many options, the Cs are none of them. DeAndre Jordan is going nowhere, they have his contract and they have a legit chance to contend especially now that the Lakers and Spurs are on the decline. Do you even know what is going on in the league?
    Posted by TheDUDDER[/QUOTE]


    Your post is pretty rude but that is the norm for you.   New Orleans trading Paul isn't just possible it is likely.  They have zero leverage and getting Rondo wouldn't be a terrible trade off for them considering their situation.  Very unlikely Paul signs and extention, but after playing with the celts a year that could change.  I think it is worth the gamble and gives the big 3 one last crack at. 

    As for Battier.  No reason he couldn't be a possiblity.  Maybe more money though.

    Deandre Jordan is a reach but not as unreasonable as you make it out.  Always ways to sweeten the pot. Give back their pick perhaps with Green..

    D Howard of course has options but Orlando will trade him.  They have No choice.  Lakers are the most likely but He may not want to go their with Kobe at the tail end of his career.  He's mentioned he wants to play with Chris Paul.  If Paul was a Celtic they could easily decide to stay.   

    Likely?  NO>   But fun to dream.

    So why don't you offer some better solutions instead of just dismissing all possible scenarios.   
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: move to make : Your post is pretty rude but that is the norm for you.   New Orleans trading Paul isn't just possible it is likely.  They have zero leverage and getting Rondo wouldn't be a terrible trade off for them considering their situation.  Very unlikely Paul signs and extention, but after playing with the celts a year that could change.  I think it is worth the gamble and gives the big 3 one last crack at.  As for Battier.  No reason he couldn't be a possiblity.  Maybe more money though. Deandre Jordan is a reach but not as unreasonable as you make it out.  Always ways to sweeten the pot. Give back their pick perhaps with Green.. D Howard of course has options but Orlando will trade him.  They have No choice.  Lakers are the most likely but He may not want to go their with Kobe at the tail end of his career.  He's mentioned he wants to play with Chris Paul.  If Paul was a Celtic they could easily decide to stay.    Likely?  NO />   But fun to dream. So why don't you offer some better solutions instead of just dismissing all possible scenarios.   
    Posted by celticjay[/QUOTE]


    Ok so given what you wrote.....  nothing that the Cs have makes a Paul trade happen, Howard will go where there is talent to win, I think that contrary to popular belief Rondo is vastly overrated and nobody will be taking a flier on Rondo when trading away the best point guard.

    Do you have any sense of how far over the cap the Cs are?  Do you know that there are significant limitations as to who can be signed outside of the cap?  Shaq and JO are both signed.

    Ignoring the Cs cap situation and the hard cap that is coming of course keeps you from seeing what is actually going on.

    The Cs are doomed and headed to where most teams are when they are vastly over the cap and have bad draft after bad draft.......  Danny is negligent if he does anything other than let the big 3 dissolve naturally either through retirement and or injury......  the Pistons had 4 all stars and won a title and then added gordon and Charlie V and have s ucked since...... I don't want to see the Cs go there though they did with Walker and Pierce....... good but not good enough and keep adding c rap in the draft...... and prolonging the misery...that is where they are now.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: move to make : Ok so given what you wrote.....  nothing that the Cs have makes a Paul trade happen, Howard will go where there is talent to win, I think that contrary to popular belief Rondo is vastly overrated and nobody will be taking a flier on Rondo when trading away the best point guard. Do you have any sense of how far over the cap the Cs are?  Do you know that there are significant limitations as to who can be signed outside of the cap?  Shaq and JO are both signed. Ignoring the Cs cap situation and the hard cap that is coming of course keeps you from seeing what is actually going on. The Cs are doomed and headed to where most teams are when they are vastly over the cap and have bad draft after bad draft.......  Danny is negligent if he does anything other than let the big 3 dissolve naturally either through retirement and or injury......  the Pistons had 4 all stars and won a title and then added gordon and Charlie V and have s ucked since...... I don't want to see the Cs go there though they did with Walker and Pierce....... good but not good enough and keep adding c rap in the draft...... and prolonging the misery...that is where they are now.
    Posted by TheDUDDER[/QUOTE]

    We all know the C's are way over the cap now!!!
     
    At the end of next year, Garnett's 20 million and Allen's 10 will be off the books as will Jermain Oneals 5.  

    In my scenario we have Chris Paul at 16 million, Pierce at 15 million and fillers. Paul will be a free agent unless he resigns but the celts would have enough to give Howard a Max deal under the current agreement.   We would have a new big 3 and AB and hopefully a KG and Ray on vet min's.  

    Not really sure what you're talking about.  All is pointing towards 2012

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to move to make : There is a reason drugs are illegal...... The very simple explanation is that if a player wears green.... they are vastly overrated. If a player wears something other than green... they are vastly underrated. Boston is some sort of destination becuase of "mystique", "pride", etc.  There are very few players in the league that even know that the Cs were once a premier franchise. Dwight Howard will go to a team that has a chance to win - now and over the long run.... there are many many options, the Cs are none of them. DeAndre Jordan is going nowhere, they have his contract and they have a legit chance to contend especially now that the Lakers and Spurs are on the decline. Do you even know what is going on in the league?
    Posted by TheDUDDER[/QUOTE]
    Not so sure I agree with you about the Clippers making a run.
    Have you forgotten their owner is Donald Sterling.
    Between saving a quarter or changing his team into a contender, Sterling will bend down and pick up the 25 cents.
     
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    Awesome ideas... I love the way you are thinking....and I will SERIOUSLY examine them all and give you props for the effort of armchair GM that wants to spend/win. Too bad I seriously doubt these ideas are realistic.

    #1Trade Rondo for Chris Paul.   Trade Baby and Rondo to get him.

    Not quite fair value IMO... but who really knows what the deal w/ CP3 is. If it was Baby after the '09 playoffs and Rondo after '10... w/ the CP3 after either of those years... it would be fair. Not from where they all stand right now tho I'd think.

    #2 Sign and trade Green for Deandre Jordan (Clippers need  Small forward and can you imagine green and Blake in transition..)  They already have Kaman who they won't be able to get rid of.

    Going with Kaman over Jordan is interesting for LA... Jordan fits the age group of Gordon-Griffin. 100% disagree w/ Kaman comment. The Clips can EASILY move Kaman if they want to. 1 year @ 11 million for a 15-8 Center?? My idea was Baby and Krstic for Kaman.

    I'd trade Green for Jordan (if we got someone like Battier or Prince to bu Paul) or Green and our 2012 1st for for Kaman and Aminu.


    #3 Resign DWest

    YES! no-brainer. Question is does he take a small % raise on current vet min or do we need our LLE/MLE for him? Who knows how theose type of contracts are configured after the new CBA gets done.


    #4 Sign BAttier  (2 years bi annual exception)

    He will get the MLE from someone or even more from the grizz... so not possible.

    #5 Full Mid level exception (Carl Landry) or just something around 4million

    He will quite possibly get more than the MLE from NO or at least take the full MLE... good thinking tho... i like him as a upgrade to Baby.


    #6 Resign Krisitic for low money

    This is ok if you don't have to use him in a sign and trade to get your strating C. a 1 year 5.5m deal (if we are left w/ O'Neal bro's in the middle) seems likely.

    Starters
    PG: Chris Paul
    SG: Paul Pierce
    SF: Shane Battier
    PF: KG
    C: Deandre Jordan

    Bench
    Carl Landry, RA, Delonte, Kristic, JO, Avery Bradley

    This team would compete and would be more athletic..  After the year we would be in a good position to Sell D Howard as Garnett, and Allen could resign for Vet Minimums for a couple of years.  IT would give Howard and Paul 2 legit years to contend and with the 2 of them they'd have the base for years to come.

    All a pipe dream but if they can gety Paul it could be possible.   Deandre Jordan could be traded even to Orlando this year with some other players if Orlando decides to unload which they should.

    If I was Orlando I'd rather have Jordan, Bledsoe, Aminu and a 2012 or '13 # 1 pick from the Clippers for Howard than Bynum, Odom and a couple late 1sts.

    an oh yeah... you start Ray before Battier... if anything Pierce comes off the bench

     
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    Dream on! Chris Paul wants to get to New Yawk & join pals Stoudemire & Anthony. The league now owns N.O. and there is no one in the organizational chaos willing/wanting to negotiate away their franchise player.  Paul is untouchable.
     
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    [QUOTE]Dream on! Chris Paul wants to get to New Yawk & join pals Stoudemire & Anthony. The league now owns N.O. and there is no one in the organizational chaos willing/wanting to negotiate away their franchise player.  Paul is untouchable.
    Posted by LakerFan67[/QUOTE]

    By not waiting for Melo to hit free-agency the Knicks lost the opportunity to sign Chris Paul. Stoudamire and Melo will be a combined 40.3m in 2012.

    What Bron, Wade, and Bosh did was take a pay cut. That's why those 3 got the chance to be together in Miami. When the Knicks gave Amare and Melo the maximum it ruled out the possibility of Chris Paul joining the Knicks in the future.
     
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    Starters
    PG: Rajon Rondo (age 25)
    SG: Avery Bradley (age 20)
    SF: Jeff Green (age 24)
    PF: JaJuan Johnson (age 22)
    C: Deandre Jordan (age 22)

    Bench
    Carl Landry, RAllen, Paul Pierce,KG, JO, Delonte

    Starting five is youngest in the league and with the experienced bench we have a championship team for 2012!!


     
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    [QUOTE]Starters PG: Rajon Rondo (age 25) SG: Avery Bradley (age 20) SF: Jeff Green (age 24) PF: JaJuan Johnson (age 22) C: Deandre Jordan (age 22) Bench Carl Landry, RAllen, Paul Pierce,KG, JO, Delonte Starting five is youngest in the league and with the experienced bench we have a championship team for 2012!!
    Posted by rman0909[/QUOTE]

    Would love that team.

    Obviously no way Johnson/Bradley starts over ray/KG next season... but they'd be good young rotation guys

    no explanation of how to get Jordan tho... it is pretty much impossible
     
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    How about Sign and trade Jeff Green and Big baby for Rudy Gay, then let Ray Allen opt ot of his contrac and resign him for less. Sign Jamal Crawford to the MLE(The herald reported that the celtics might be interested in him and that he migh be willing to listen to their offer). Sign leon powe to a minimum contract, Sign Greg oden(he's shown that he can be a a force when he's healthy) Sam Dalembert or Deandre Jordan. or we could sign battier instead of Crawford if money is the issue. I think this is good to contend righ away but also for the fututre. I don't know how the money adds up and how contraacts matches up, it all depends on the new CBA. By thw way i'm Erwin and i'm new here. i come here occasionally to read what you guys post here but this is my first time posting something here.
     
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    It is an exercise in futility to predict player movements without a CBA in place.
     
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    [QUOTE]Starters PG: Rajon Rondo (age 25) SG: Avery Bradley (age 20) SF: Jeff Green (age 24) PF: JaJuan Johnson (age 22) C: Deandre Jordan (age 22) Bench Carl Landry, RAllen, Paul Pierce,KG, JO, Delonte Starting five is youngest in the league and with the experienced bench we have a championship team for 2012!!
    Posted by rman0909[/QUOTE]

    In this dream there would only be a starting five and a finishing five, not a first team/second team.  And what about another big? JO will get hurt. As we saw this year, decent bigs aren't that easy to come by.  Maybe Theo will be available, again.  The guy doesn't really exist, it's only his contract that keeps getting traded.
     
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    [QUOTE]How about Sign and trade Jeff Green and Big baby for Rudy Gay, then let Ray Allen opt ot of his contrac and resign him for less. Sign Jamal Crawford to the MLE(The herald reported that the celtics might be interested in him and that he migh be willing to listen to their offer). Sign leon powe to a minimum contract, Sign Greg oden(he's shown that he can be a a force when he's healthy) Sam Dalembert or Deandre Jordan. or we could sign battier instead of Crawford if money is the issue. I think this is good to contend righ away but also for the fututre. I don't know how the money adds up and how contraacts matches up, it all depends on the new CBA. By thw way i'm Erwin and i'm new here. i come here occasionally to read what you guys post here but this is my first time posting something here.
    Posted by GreenaboveGold[/QUOTE]

    Hi Erwin

    Going by what I think is realistic in your ideas and going with us drafting JaJuan Johnson at 25... here is what that team would look like:

    C - Krstic (24 mins) Dalambert (16 mins) KG (8 mins)
    PF - KG (20 mins) Jermaine (16 mins) Johnson (8 mins)
    SF - Gay (36 mins) Pierce (12 mins)
    SG - Ray (24 mins) Pierce (16 mins) DWest (8 mins)
    PG - Rondo (36 mins) DWest (12 mins)

    That is a very solid team... but its a big man shy of a contender... Can we turns Krstic, Avery and picks into one? not sure.

    It is basically using a sign and trade asset in Baby to upgrade to Gay from Greeny... but is Gay and upgrade? Could we just keep Green and use Baby to help us get something better?

    Crawford may get more than the MLDE while Dalamert more than the LLE

    of course the CBA has to be resolved first

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: move to make : Hi Erwin Going by what I think is realistic in your ideas and going with us drafting JaJuan Johnson at 25... here is what that team would look like: C - Krstic (24 mins) Dalambert (16 mins) KG (8 mins) PF - KG (20 mins) Jermaine (16 mins) Johnson (8 mins) SF - Gay (36 mins) Pierce (12 mins) SG - Ray (24 mins) Pierce (16 mins) DWest (8 mins) PG - Rondo (36 mins) DWest (12 mins) That is a very solid team... but its a big man shy of a contender... Can we turns Krstic, Avery and picks into one? not sure. It is basically using a sign and trade asset in Baby to upgrade to Gay from Greeny... but is Gay and upgrade? Could we just keep Green and use Baby to help us get something better? Crawford may get more than the MLDE while Dalamert more than the LLE of course the CBA has to be resolved first
    Posted by rameakap[/QUOTE]

    There is no "realistic" situation which has a team with the BIG 3 on it and also Rudy Gay, Gay signed a max contract last year and plays for a team that would be going into the WCF if he were healthy right now.  Gay is going nowhere.  Is Gay an upgrade?  Have you ever watched basketball before?
     
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    [QUOTE]What makes you think other teams will want Jeff Green after what we saw from him in the playoffs? 
    Posted by Fiercest34[/QUOTE] I'd rather take a look at what Jeff Green can do after a full training camp and time to mesh in better. I'm sure Doc will work on making Jeff a better player.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: move to make : I'd rather take a look at what Jeff Green can do after a full training camp and time to mesh in better. I'm sure Doc will work on making Jeff a better player.
    Posted by NoahJustin[/QUOTE]

    of course he will Noah

    Green is a talented player with the length and size we need at the 3 to spell paul, and guard LBJ, Deng and Melo.

    I watched Rudy gay for 2 years as a UConn season ticket holder and couldn't stand him. What i saw in memphis didn't change my opinion much of him from then. A SELFISH player, mediocre outside shooter, needs 16 shots to get 19 points, and a passive defender whose strengths of above the rim play are barely better than Green.

    He has played 3,000 more NBA mins than Green is coming off injury, been given his 85 million, and can now check out. No small wonder the Grizz played WAAAYYY better with Battier than Gay.

    I'd think Green can easily be a better pro over the next 4 years than Gay. Green could be paid 36 million ohse years to Gay's 68. WOW.
     
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    these moves are all pipe dreams. the fact is that the Celtics are an old team in decline with little bargaining power. the only hope for them is to find a diamond in the rough, a Robert Parish type of center, a guy that has not been that great but actually can be incredible, along the lines of Zach Randolph. Who knew this guy was a top superstar talent in the league before the playoffs this year? we need a tough defensive rebounding center, and no one trades away guys like that cheaply so it has to be someone who is underperforming and may suprise? Got any candidates? 
     
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