My Current Top 10

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    My Current Top 10

    1. Embiid, keeps impressing as time goes on. Freak athlete

    2. Parker, great scorer and a good rebounder like someone stated in another thread, reminds me of Pierce a little. not too fast but gets it done

    3. Wiggins, doesn't seem to take over games as much as he should but when he does get hot, look out. its all about effort with him

    4. Randle, Zach Randolph 2.0? i think possibly to yes. he's a bull and meant that in a good way. he's effective

    5. Exum, great athlete and big for a PG. dont know much about him seen little tape but seems like could be a star or even bust. can be a scorer or ballhandler, versatile

    6. Smart, yes inconsistent $hooter but has great fire and intensity which I like and he is a bull and can get to the line anytime. good defender as well.

    7. Hood, good size and attacker. left open can hit a $hot. will be a good NBA SF.

    8. Vonleh, raw talent but good athlete. good defender and bounder. he's a homeless man's Embiid imo

    9. Selden, probably higher than most people have him but I like the kid. he can flat out score and make plays. he's smooth to me as well.

    10. Ennis, MCW 2.0? I say, better. He can $hoot better than MCW and can handle pressure

    11. Gordon

    12. Cauley-Stein

    13. Payne

    14. McDermontt

    15. Harris

    obviously subject to change but that's it for now.

    really falling for Embiid, real good player. would love to see he or Parker in Celtic Green

     
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    1. Embiid, keeps impressing as time goes on. Freak athlete

    2. Parker, great scorer and a good rebounder like someone stated in another thread, reminds me of Pierce a little. not too fast but gets it done

    3. Wiggins, doesn't seem to take over games as much as he should but when he does get hot, look out. its all about effort with him

    4. Randle, Zach Randolph 2.0? i think possibly to yes. he's a bull and meant that in a good way. he's effective

    5. Exum, great athlete and big for a PG. dont know much about him seen little tape but seems like could be a star or even bust. can be a scorer or ballhandler, versatile

    6. Smart, yes inconsistent $hooter but has great fire and intensity which I like and he is a bull and can get to the line anytime. good defender as well.

    7. Hood, good size and attacker. left open can hit a $hot. will be a good NBA SF.

    8. Vonleh, raw talent but good athlete. good defender and bounder. he's a homeless man's Embiid imo

    9. Selden, probably higher than most people have him but I like the kid. he can flat out score and make plays. he's smooth to me as well.

    10. Ennis, MCW 2.0? I say, better. He can $hoot better than MCW and can handle pressure

     

     

    obviously subject to change but that's it for now.

    really falling for Embiid, real good player. would love to see he or Parker in Celtic Green

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    Great job!

    Embiid goes #1  IMO.  I would love Parker or Hood.  I think, though, after 3 we cannot pass on Randle....even if we have Sully!  Exum would have to play "2" for us!

     
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    That is as good a top 10 list as anybody's.

    But I don't think Ennis goes top 10.  He is a solid PG, but my concern would be that, like Rondo, he has a stellar supporting cast around him in Flair and Grant that make him look better.  His speed may be a problem when playing man-to-man D in the NBA as opposed to Syracuse zone D.  

    Christon (FL), Carson (AZ St) and Harrison (KEN) could all go before Ennis, and there are several more like Smith, Grant and Craft, all bunched up after Smart and Exum..

    Also, I think Harris goes before Seldon for teams looking for a more NBA ready SG. 

     
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    Where do you guys have Aaron Gordon?

     
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    Gordon is the enigma of the draft IMO.

    Pre-season he was projected in the top 6.   However so far with AZ, although he is the second leading scorer he has not been particularly agressive and has not shown ability to take over games as Parker, Wiggins, and several others have demonstrated. 

    I think it will come down to teams that need NBA ready players NOW, like the Celtics, or teams that can wait and develop his potential, which according to scouts is apparently off the charts.

    I would guess he goes between 8-12.

     
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    ^Agree with Eldunker. Gordon is anywhere from 8-12 depending on how a team views him with their needs and such

     
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    My top ten right now:

     

    1. Embiid- big man...period.

    2. Parker- should be number one, except Embiid is a big.

    3. Wiggins- pick mostly on hype at this point, though he has had a couple big games recently.

    4. Randle- is he Randolph or Mashburn in the NBA?

    5. Smart- NBA body and ablilty to play both guard spots keep him this high.

    6. Hood- may be the second best NBA scorer out of the bunch.

    7. Exum- hasn't played against anyone, but someone will take a chance.

    8. Vonleh- he may end up dropping by draft day , as others move up.

    9. Gordon- May end up Passing Vonleh by draft day.

    10. Cauley-Stein- true seven footers go higher than they should.

     

     
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    Where do you guys have Aaron Gordon?

     

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    Gordon is the enigma of the draft IMO.

     

    Pre-season he was projected in the top 6.   However so far with AZ, although he is the second leading scorer he has not been particularly agressive and has not shown ability to take over games as Parker, Wiggins, and several others have demonstrated. 

    I think it will come down to teams that need NBA ready players NOW, like the Celtics, or teams that can wait and develop his potential, which according to scouts is apparently off the charts.

    I would guess he goes between 8-12.

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    I'm not entirely sure that the Celtics would pass on a kid who needs a year to develop because they know that next year is really the first build year with new young players. Olynyk needed/needs work and they were active to picked him.  Gordon is an athlete and can really play any position, although I think his body needs to fill out to really bang with the big boys.  The only question I have about Gordon is his intensity. He plays a little passively, not exactly soft, but certainly not with swagger or attitude. He can go above and around almost any other player, but I haven't seen him trying to through anyone - play with a physical presence as well as with finesse.  Over all, I think he'll eventually be an all-star caliber player. Even if he's not AZ's leading scorer, he is playing against top-flight comp and doing well.  

    It's unlikely that the Celtics will be picking when he's still on the board - they'll either pick much earlier and then again later, unless DA trades a 3rd or 4th pick for two top 10 picks (6-10?) in a three-way deal. 

     
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    Obviously Embiid

    I hope we get a top 4 anyway

    I like Gordon well enough....Cauley Stein is agile enough to be an NBA big

     
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    Embiid
    Wiggins
    Parker
    Smart
    Exum
    Randle
    Vonleh
    Grant
    LaVine
    Hood

     
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    That is as good a top 10 list as anybody's.

    But I don't think Ennis goes top 10.  He is a solid PG, but my concern would be that, like Rondo, he has a stellar supporting cast around him in Flair and Grant that make him look better.  His speed may be a problem when playing man-to-man D in the NBA as opposed to Syracuse zone D.  

    Christon (FL), Carson (AZ St) and Harrison (KEN) could all go before Ennis, and there are several more like Smith, Grant and Craft, all bunched up after Smart and Exum..

    Also, I think Harris goes before Seldon for teams looking for a more NBA ready SG. 

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     agree! nice post. agree with alot of it. What do you guys think of Exum? Could he be the point guard of the future? I only know what I read about him.

     
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    1.  Wiggins

    2.  Parker

    3.  Randle

    4.  Embiid

    5.  Smart

    6.  Exum

    7.  Hood

    8.  Gordon

    9.  Harris

    10. Seldon

     
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    1.  Wiggins

    2.  Parker

    3.  Randle

    4.  Embiid

    5.  Smart

    6.  Exum

    7.  Hood

    8.  Gordon

    9.  Harris

    10. Seldon

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    I'm not a gambling man, but if I were, I'd bet the house Embiid goes #1.

     
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    1.  Wiggins

    2.  Parker

    3.  Randle

    4.  Embiid

    5.  Smart

    6.  Exum

    7.  Hood

    8.  Gordon

    9.  Harris

    10. Seldon

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    I like Eldunker's last list the best, so far.  JoePatsFan's?  Ahh, not so much.  Comparing Ennis to MCW?  Seriously?  You realize that MCW has 4 inches on Ennis, right.  And as for Cauley-Stein, I'd be surprised to see him taken during the top 20.  There's a ton of good players that are going to be available.  Height alone isn't going to get the job done, not in this draft at least.  And props to whoever's ranked Smart ahead of Exum.  Smart should shine during his rookie season, while Exum's going to require time, patience, the right system et cetera.  Exum doesn't seem to be a good fit for Brad Stevens offense and earns the #1 ranking on my list of BIGGEST BUST POTENTIAL:

    1) Exum- Let someone else roll the dice on the kangaroo.  I don't see how his size and skillset will translate into a half-court offense.  Guards that can't shoot deserve an asterisk, not a top 5 pick.

    2) Randle-  Thomas Robinson.  Anthony Bennett.  Not known for his high IQ, rebounding ability, or 3-point range: Are you sure you'd want to replace Sully with this guy?

    3) Gordon- Great athlete that moves well with the ball.  I wouldn't expect him to fill up a stat sheet, though.  He'll be way too under-sized at his position in the NBA.

    Honorable mention:  Hood.  Please explain why Hood is ahead of Young?  What am I missing? 

     

     

     
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    1. Embiid, keeps impressing as time goes on. Freak athlete

    No argument here.

    2. Parker, great scorer and a good rebounder like someone stated in another thread, reminds me of Pierce a little. not too fast but gets it done

    Parker has been in a slump the last 10 games (10/36 .278 3pt%). I like him and should be a great pro. His slump only hurts him in his comparison with Wiggins.

    3. Wiggins, doesn't seem to take over games as much as he should but when he does get hot, look out. its all about effort with him

    Unlike Parker, Wiggins has gotten better over his last 10 games (15/39 .385 3pt%). Moreover, Wiggins has 28 FT attempts his last 3 games. Prowess at getting to the line is akin to a baseball player who draws walks. Both he and Parker have been adept in this area. It's a good indicator for creating offense. Just the kind of players Boston needs.

    Embiid, Parker, and Wiggins. The Cs can't go wrong with any one of them. As for the rest? If the Big 3 are off the board, then Danny should deal. No other player will help the Cs turn the corner.

    4. Randle, Zach Randolph 2.0? i think possibly to yes. he's a bull and meant that in a good way. he's effective

    Overrated. Randle has struggled after a furious start. Steal Rate is a great indicator of NBA success. Randle has one of the worst SRs (relative to his position) in the nation. He struggles from the perimeter, isn't a good shot blocker, and despite his length, doesn't play up to expectations. Buyer beware.

    5. Exum, great athlete and big for a PG. dont know much about him seen little tape but seems like could be a star or even bust. can be a scorer or ballhandler, versatile

    Exum can't shoot. He is bad at the fundamental level. Has great tools otherwise, but would be a wasted pick for the Cs. Can't build around a guard who can't shoot.

    Exum's preseason scout film

    6. Smart, yes inconsistent $hooter but has great fire and intensity which I like and he is a bull and can get to the line anytime. good defender as well.

    Made a BIG mistake not coming out last summer. For consecutive seasons, he has been a poor shooter and an inefficient scorer. Teams will sag on him in the NBA. That would reduce his FT attempts/game. As a freshman, his shooting would have been easier to forgive, but now, scouts will assume that you are what you are. Cost himself a few million.

    7. Hood, good size and attacker. left open can hit a $hot. will be a good NBA SF.

    Is a junior age-wise. A good shooter, but no upside. Poor Steal Rate.

    8. Vonleh, raw talent but good athlete. good defender and bounder. he's a homeless man's Embiid imo

    It wouldn't surprise me to see Vonleh go off the board before Randle. Has better length and more upside. Good Steal Rate, elite DRB%, gets to the line, is an elite shotblocker and has shown he can shoot from the perimeter (10/18 .566 3pt%). Not bad for a freshman. He's the only player I would consider taking outside of the Big 3.

    9. Selden, probably higher than most people have him but I like the kid. he can flat out score and make plays. he's smooth to me as well.

    If you call 14.2 points/40min a result of "flat out scoring", then I'm on board. Mediocre shooter, poor steal rate, seldom gets to the line. Overrated. Will likely stay in school.

    10. Ennis, MCW 2.0? I say, better. He can $hoot better than MCW and can handle pressure

    I like him. One of the better steal rates in the nation (4.7%). Can make 3s (.400) but only takes 2.6/game. Is a great ball handler with an excellent Assist and TO rates. Is not a true freshman (a year older than his class), but still a safe pick for some team this summer.

    11. Gordon

    Has great tools (length, shotblocking), but is built like a 3 and can't shoot. Ball handling is a problem. The team that takes him will need to take time to develop his skills. A tweener. Poor steal rate doesn't help.

    12. Cauley-Stein

    A liability on offense. Has sickle-cell trait. Has struggled in 4 of last 5 games. Minutes have been down at that time. How will he hold up in an 82-game RS, not to mention playoffs? Would be useful to a contending team as a 15min/g backup.

    13. Payne

    Adreian Payne is a senior and has little or no upside. Has been hurt and missed the team's last 6 games. Can block shots and can make 3s. Can be a solid stretch 4.

    14. McDermontt

    Doug McDermott is another senior with little upside. Looks to be a 3pt specialist in the NBA. Not a bad thing.

    15. Harris

    Gary Harris' poor 3 pt shooting has raised flags. A tweener guard.

    obviously subject to change but that's it for now.

    really falling for Embiid, real good player. would love to see he or Parker in Celtic Green

    Don't sell Wiggins short. He had a poor start, but has been playing better than Parker lately. Wiggins has shown he can make threes and can create his own offense. Because both are true freshmen, both players have more upside than Paul Pierce had when he came out after his Junior year. Along with Embiid, either player can help the Cs turn the corner.

     

     

    Overall a good list.

    There are some players that should be included in your list:

    Nik Stauskas, PG, Michigan: Has become a playmaker in his sophomore year. Elite 3pt shooter. Has improved his FT/g from 2.9 to 7.0. .800+ FT%. If his steal rate were better, he would be a lottery pick.

    Kyle Anderson, G-F, UCLA: Magic Johnson? He's 6-9 230 and has elite playmaking skills. Has a good steal rate. Would like to see him get to the line more. Intriguing player. Could be special. I'd like to see the Cs get him with their 2nd #1. Doesn't attempt many 3s. Sophomore.

    Jordan Adams, SG, UCLA: Elite steal rate, decent 3pt shooter. Gets to the line. Very underrated player. Sophomore.

    Zach LaVine, SG UCLA: Good steal rate and good 3pt shooter. Has undeveloped PG skills. Is a freshman.

     
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    1.  Wiggins

    2.  Parker

    3.  Randle

    4.  Embiid

    5.  Smart

    6.  Exum

    7.  Hood

    8.  Gordon

    9.  Harris

    10. Seldon

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    I'm not a gambling man, but if I were, I'd bet the house Embiid goes #1.

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    We'll see.  I'm basing my list on team needs.

    I don't think that Philly, Orlando and to a lesser degree, the Bucks, pick a Center, since they are relatively set at that position and they can't afford a mistake, especially in this draft.  

    We've seen plenty of big man draft mistakes based on overly optimistic projections.  Olowokandi anyone??  Many thought Noel would go #1 last year just because he is a big man. 

    I think when you have a sure thing, possible once a generation players like Wiggins and Parker who will be franchise super stars, a team cannot pass on that talent.

    IF Embiid isn't picked by the Bucks, we'll land him.

     
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    1.  Wiggins

    2.  Parker

    3.  Randle

    4.  Embiid

    5.  Smart

    6.  Exum

    7.  Hood

    8.  Gordon

    9.  Harris

    10. Seldon

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    I like Eldunker's last list the best, so far.  JoePatsFan's?  Ahh, not so much.  Comparing Ennis to MCW?  Seriously?  You realize that MCW has 4 inches on Ennis, right.  And as for Cauley-Stein, I'd be surprised to see him taken during the top 20.  There's a ton of good players that are going to be available.  Height alone isn't going to get the job done, not in this draft at least.  And props to whoever's ranked Smart ahead of Exum.  Smart should shine during his rookie season, while Exum's going to require time, patience, the right system et cetera.  Exum doesn't seem to be a good fit for Brad Stevens offense and earns the #1 ranking on my list of BIGGEST BUST POTENTIAL:

    1) Exum- Let someone else roll the dice on the kangaroo.  I don't see how his size and skillset will translate into a half-court offense.  Guards that can't shoot deserve an asterisk, not a top 5 pick.

    2) Randle-  Thomas Robinson.  Anthony Bennett.  Not known for his high IQ, rebounding ability, or 3-point range: Are you sure you'd want to replace Sully with this guy?

    3) Gordon- Great athlete that moves well with the ball.  I wouldn't expect him to fill up a stat sheet, though.  He'll be way too under-sized at his position in the NBA.

    Honorable mention:  Hood.  Please explain why Hood is ahead of Young?  What am I missing? 

     

     

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    All good points.  and I agree about Exum, Randle and Gordon.  Maybe Exum is the bigest enigma because we haven't realy seen him play against elite college competition, just reports from Intl youth tourneys.

    I take Hood over Young, but Young would be right there as maybe my 11 or 12 pick.  Young is one of the best pure shooters in the draft, but Hood has a better all around game.. plays better D, rebounds and has strong character.  I think Hood is more NBA ready and a safer pick.  That said, contrry to my predicted draft order, I would take Young over both Harris and Seldon.    

     
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    1.  Wiggins

    2.  Parker

    3.  Randle

    4.  Embiid

    5.  Smart

    6.  Exum

    7.  Hood

    8.  Gordon

    9.  Harris

    10. Seldon

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    I'm not a gambling man, but if I were, I'd bet the house Embiid goes #1.

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    We'll see.  I'm basing my list on team needs.

    I don't think that Philly, Orlando and to a lesser degree, the Bucks, pick a Center, since they are relatively set at that position and they can't afford a mistake, especially in this draft.  

    We've seen plenty of big man draft mistakes based on overly optimistic projections.  Olowokandi anyone??  Many thought Noel would go #1 last year just because he is a big man. 

     

    I think when you have a sure thing, possible once a generation players like Wiggins and Parker who will be franchise super stars, a team cannot pass on that talent.

    IF Embiid isn't picked by the Bucks, we'll land him.

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    Exactly, and right now they have the #1 pick.  If you stink this badly, would you rather have Sanders or Embiid????

     

     
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    1.  Wiggins

    2.  Parker

    3.  Randle

    4.  Embiid

    5.  Smart

    6.  Exum

    7.  Hood

    8.  Gordon

    9.  Harris

    10. Seldon

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    I'm not a gambling man, but if I were, I'd bet the house Embiid goes #1.

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    We'll see.  I'm basing my list on team needs.

    I don't think that Philly, Orlando and to a lesser degree, the Bucks, pick a Center, since they are relatively set at that position and they can't afford a mistake, especially in this draft.  

    We've seen plenty of big man draft mistakes based on overly optimistic projections.  Olowokandi anyone??  Many thought Noel would go #1 last year just because he is a big man. 

     

    I think when you have a sure thing, possible once a generation players like Wiggins and Parker who will be franchise super stars, a team cannot pass on that talent.

    IF Embiid isn't picked by the Bucks, we'll land him.

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    Exactly, and right now they have the #1 pick.  If you stink this badly, would you rather have Sanders or Embiid????

     

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    Center is still the deepest position on the Bucks.  So if I'm the Bucks, I take either Wiggins or Parker.  They are safer bets and will also fill the seats financially.  You disagree.  Lets leave it at that.  

     
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    1.  Wiggins

    2.  Parker

    3.  Randle

    4.  Embiid

    5.  Smart

    6.  Exum

    7.  Hood

    8.  Gordon

    9.  Harris

    10. Seldon

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    I'm not a gambling man, but if I were, I'd bet the house Embiid goes #1.

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    We'll see.  I'm basing my list on team needs.

    I don't think that Philly, Orlando and to a lesser degree, the Bucks, pick a Center, since they are relatively set at that position and they can't afford a mistake, especially in this draft.  

    We've seen plenty of big man draft mistakes based on overly optimistic projections.  Olowokandi anyone??  Many thought Noel would go #1 last year just because he is a big man. 

     

    I think when you have a sure thing, possible once a generation players like Wiggins and Parker who will be franchise super stars, a team cannot pass on that talent.

    IF Embiid isn't picked by the Bucks, we'll land him.

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    Exactly, and right now they have the #1 pick.  If you stink this badly, would you rather have Sanders or Embiid????

     

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    Center is still the deepest position on the Bucks.  So if I'm the Bucks, I take either Wiggins or Parker.  They are safer bets and will also fill the seats financially.  You disagree.  Lets leave it at that.  

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    As you wish.......Noel did get hurt, though.....and still went #6

     

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