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NBA owners and players held a formal collective bargaining session for the first high-level negotiations in a month Monday but after nearly three hours of discussions the sides emerged as far apart as they were when the day began.
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No End in Sight
posted at 8/1/2011 7:26 PM EDT
- Fiercest34
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Re: No End in Sight
posted at 8/1/2011 8:07 PM EDT
- Red-16Russ-11
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Re: No End in Sight
posted at 8/2/2011 12:26 PM EDT
- TheDUDDER
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In Response to No End in Sight:http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/6824510/david-stern-derek-fisher-join-nba-labor-talks-first-time NBA owners and players held a formal collective bargaining session for the first high-level negotiations in a month Monday but after nearly three hours of discussions the sides emerged as far apart as they were when the day began.
Posted by Fiercest34
The whole thing is absolutely amazing to me... a bunch of guys who would otherwise be unemployable cannot look into the stands and see most of them empty on any given night still think that their endless access to cash is simply beyond me......
They should contract the league by a third and then there would a lot fewer teams losing money and the product would be a lot better. -
Re: No End in Sight
posted at 8/2/2011 3:15 PM EDT
- Duke4
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Agree 100% on this one Dudder......it is a watered down version of what used to be a great league.....I'll take the '60's through the late '80's.....the quality of play was much better as was the officiating! -
Re: No End in Sight
posted at 8/2/2011 3:31 PM EDT
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Can't believe Stern actually wants to expand to Europe.
They will never contract by a third, though.....maybe a tenth - 3 teams!! -
Re: No End in Sight
posted at 8/3/2011 11:55 AM EDT
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Can you imagine the jet lagg on that trip....betting will be heavy on the home teams...ouch!!! -
Re: No End in Sight
posted at 8/3/2011 12:27 PM EDT
- puddinpuddin
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In Response to Re: No End in Sight:Can you imagine the jet lagg on that trip....betting will be heavy on the home teams...ouch!!!
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Maybe they could meet half way and play in the Azores.
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Re: No End in Sight
posted at 8/3/2011 1:20 PM EDT
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In Response to No End in Sight:http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/6824510/david-stern-derek-fisher-join-nba-labor-talks-first-time NBA owners and players held a formal collective bargaining session for the first high-level negotiations in a month Monday but after nearly three hours of discussions the sides emerged as far apart as they were when the day began.
Posted by Fiercest34
I wouldn't be surprised if the NBA misses at least some of the season. I will be very unhappy if this happens, but it seems likely. -
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Re: No End in Sight
posted at 8/3/2011 8:41 PM EDT
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In Response to Re: No End in Sight:Stern has never been about quality basketball...................it is the same with any major organization.........it is all about greed and marketing to get the most money..............That is why a lot of basketball purists would much rather watch a good college game than an NBA game...........at least there is some semblance of team play.............with few exceptions the NBA is all about physical attributes...........space the floor and let me fly.........
Posted by damfunoAgree with you that Stern is not about quality basketball. he's about the money (butt hat's probably exactly what the owners want out of their commish). The league clearly promotes the single star (started that with Dr. J, then Magic vs Bird, most recently Kobe, then Lebron, then KD, etc).Can't agree about college ball, though. Yes, its exciting because of the unpredictability. Fans identify with their alma mater for sure. But, college also has got a lot of teams that feature players about themselves who are one and done or one player does it all type teams. Outside of the Heat, the plays are better in the pros and the rules are set to encourage more exposure of the talent (less 3 second calls, no hand checking guards, no pure pack it in and stand there zone defenses, more pick and rolls, better pure shooters like Ray/Monte/Durant/etc.). I also like the best of 7 format better because the best team will win.....no one hot lucky game wins the championship for you. -
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Re: No End in Sight
posted at 8/4/2011 8:56 AM EDT
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"That is why a lot of basketball purists would much rather watch a good college game than an NBA game"Yawn...college ball is a total yawner, and the ratings support that. The only time college bball gets traction is March Madness, and that's not because of team ball but because of Cinderella stories and winner take all storylines............at least there is some semblance of team play....I guess you skipped the great NBA finals where a veteran TEAM triumphed over a trio of overhyped superstars. It was a great storyline, too bad you seem to have missed it because it didn't fit your version of the truth.That said, college ball is better than no NBA which is what it's looking like now. -
Re: No End in Sight
posted at 8/4/2011 2:53 PM EDT
- ItsNot1966anymor
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Yes, the quality of play and officiating are why you'd take the 60s - 80s, and not because that's the era Boston was dominant. I'm sure if Boston won 1 title in that era, but then won 8 in the last 20 years, you would still take the 60s - 80s.
And there is no reason to hate on the players of today. Are they overpaid and lacking perspective? From the perspective of fans, yes, but everything is relative. Most of us complain about things in our own lives that people who live in other circumstances would shrug off. There is always someone else who would "love to have your problems" the same way that fans think NBA players have the good life.
Response to Re: No End in Sight:Agree 100% on this one Dudder......it is a watered down version of what used to be a great league.....I'll take the '60's through the late '80's.....the quality of play was much better as was the officiating!
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Re: No End in Sight
posted at 8/4/2011 3:30 PM EDT
- DoctorCO
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itsnot1966anymore,lakersavenger,ilovekome,
Come on...
so your qualifying titles again!!!!! lol.....stupid....
HAs the league given you rules on how to qualify?...NOPE......
so in reality...its who has been the best the most...THE CELTICS not the lakers...
And a title won in 1950 is the same as 2011 because its the NBA..
Not the hollinger league or what ever writer you quote league....
And when a league has less teams better players would be on more teams..
in reality the nba should contract NO and maybe memp...imagine 30 players getting reaasigned in a contraction draft...
The league would be that much better.....
you cant judge time....
And in todays world a ref outed the officals as on the take. donnagee exposed them all ....and one reff retired because there was too much evidence against him. -
Re: No End in Sight
posted at 8/4/2011 3:30 PM EDT
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In Response to Re: No End in Sight:Yes, the quality of play and officiating are why you'd take the 60s - 80s, and not because that's the era Boston was dominant. I'm sure if Boston won 1 title in that era, but then won 8 in the last 20 years, you would still take the 60s - 80s. And there is no reason to hate on the players of today. Are they overpaid and lacking perspective? From the perspective of fans, yes, but everything is relative. Most of us complain about things in our own lives that people who live in other circumstances would shrug off. There is always someone else who would "love to have your problems" the same way that fans think NBA players have the good life. Response to Re: No End in Sight :
Posted by ItsNot1966anymor
Another fail on sarcasm! -
Re: No End in Sight
posted at 8/4/2011 5:42 PM EDT
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What, officials were better? Jack Madden, Jake O'Donnell, Richie Powers, Joey Crawford (he began in '77) and on and on? One of the worst all-time is Bennett Salvatore - when he first showed up in the league he was (a joke and) a guaranteed Celtics loss but he's improved over the decades. If you never saw these guys you can't make any asumptions. Mendy Rudolf was Red's nemesis and the most arrrogant guy you'd ever imagine. -
Re: No End in Sight
posted at 8/4/2011 8:34 PM EDT
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Starve these clueless deca to hundreds of millionaires. Let them find other jobs and see how much they make flipping dime bags on the street corner or doing what? None of them hung around in college to get any degree. Or should I say it's probably less than 10% of the nba players in the leauge have 4 year degrees these days. How dumb. Let them eat cake.
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Re: No End in Sight
posted at 8/5/2011 10:17 AM EDT
- painter
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What, officials were better? Jack Madden, Jake O'Donnell, Richie Powers, Joey Crawford (he began in '77) and on and on? One of the worst all-time is Bennett Salvatore - when he first showed up in the league he was (a joke and) a guaranteed Celtics loss but he's improved over the decades. If you never saw these guys you can't make any asumptions. Mendy Rudolf was Red's nemesis and the most arrrogant guy you'd ever imagine. -
Re: No End in Sight
posted at 8/10/2011 2:44 AM EDT
- Artist-Frmrly-Knwn-As-NickC1188
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In Response to Re: No End in Sight:Stern has never been about quality basketball...................it is the same with any major organization.........it is all about greed and marketing to get the most money..............That is why a lot of basketball purists would much rather watch a good college game than an NBA game...........at least there is some semblance of team play.............with few exceptions the NBA is all about physical attributes...........space the floor and let me fly.........
Posted by damfunoYou clearly don't appreciate footwork or team defense or individual skill if you think that college basketball is superior to the NBA. Watch the little things, like wasted motion, defensive rotations, post moves, up-fakes, step-back jumpers, etc etc and you'd see that the skill level in the NBA is INFINITELY superior to college.