Notable NBA Big Men with Navicular foot injury!

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    In almost every case, each big man on that list became less effective, post injury! 

     
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    I hope this is true!!!


    Bob Cooney: Source says Sixers are very much interested in grabbing Embiid at No. 3 should he fall to them. Twitter @BobCooney76

    Philadelphia 76ers, Draft, Joel Embiid
    - See more at: http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm#sthash.iFt09aXD.dpuf

     
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    We still don't know severe it is. In general reading the severity of the injury is supposed to be related to the recovery. I don't know that Embiid is alike or different than the other cases, or if the other cases are different from each other. That is not in the referenced table.


    I'm no doctor and I assume we have no orthopedic surgeons on the board.  There may have been significant upgrades in surgical techniques - Tommy John, ACLs. The assumption that Embiid can't play is well beyond any of us.


    OTOH I don't know how Tellum expects Embiid to be drafted high without releasing his reports.


     


     


     


     

     
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    If you google and read some of the written info on the subject.  In most cases, surgery is not needed especially the ones that are not severe.  Surgery is considered aggressive and non-conservative treatment usually in severe cases.

     
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    Yes, I did see that surgery is not the usually first step.

    It's still hard to say what it means for Embiid. Med procedures change.  I'm sure the Celtics medical staff does.

     
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    Well, in the table, they are all surgery situations, and all except one turns out not so good as pointed out before.  Statistically insignificant? I don't know, but if let's say some of them are not so severe as maybe in the case of Embiid and yet outcomes were pretty bad, so what does that mean?

    Noel had just one problem and a pretty routine ACL by these days standard and he dropped to #6.  There is news story that said a GM thought he should not be picked in the top 10.   Coupled with other injuries, we better be damn sure that he can recover and can have a long career to use the best first round pick we have in a long time.

     
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    Gg



    This type of injury appears to be a career killer - or best case scenario an injury that depletes a % of a players-athleticism!  

     

     
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    This type of injury appears to be a career killer - or best case scenario an injury that depletes a % of a players-athleticism!  

     



    of that list only 3 guys never played again after they had it...and 2 of them was up there in age...

     
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    This type of injury appears to be a career killer - or best case scenario an injury that depletes a % of a players-athleticism!  

     



    of that list only 3 guys never played again after they had it...and 2 of them was up there in age...

    Ilgauskas took nearly 3-seasons worth of games to heal! 

    I would take a healthy player with the 6th pick - not a player with 2 health related red flags! 

     

     
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    From NBC Sports:


     


    With Joel Embiid’s foot injury adding so much confusion to the NBA draft, I asked Dr. Ben Wedro of MD direct to help provide a little clarity – at least about the top-rated center. If you’re looking for help on the Andrew Wiggins/Jabari Parker debate, this isn’t the place (though I’ll have more on that tomorrow).


    Q: What might have caused Embiid’s foot injury?


    The navicular is located in the mid foot and is responsible for helping maintain the arch of the foot from heel to toe and transverse stability of the foot. It and the ligaments that attach to the mid foot to flex at the beginning of a stride and lock as the foot pushes off.


    They are responsible for taking the load of the weight of the body as it comes down an distributing it. So, when you’re 7-foot-whatever and 300 pounds [ed: Emiid’s listed weight was 250 pounds at Kansas], that takes more load than if you’re me and and 5-9, 160. It’s one of those things that happens unfortunately. I don’t know if we’re built to be 7 feet.


    Causes include increasing activity too quickly, poor equipment (in this case, perhaps poorly fit or supportive shoes) and bone insufficiency. Normal with the latter, it is due to osteoporosis but in a large 7 footer, it may be that the bones in his foot may not be able to support the size of his body.


    When it is injured, it often takes time to make the diagnosis of the navicular stress fracture because it is not easily seen on x-ray.


    Q: Considering his back injury also, is it possible Embiid’s bones are weak?


    Unlikely. He’s a healthy guy. The think you think about with people with back fractures and bone problems is osteoporosis, and that’s more a disease of aging. You see that in older people, especially women who haven’t deposited calcium in their bones earlier on in life. They have a calcium deficit. So, that’s unlikely the case.


    His bones are probably fine. His height is a problem.


    Not a problem. You can’t teach height. But it puts more stress on the anatomy of the bones in the body to distribute all that pressure that comes through jumping and running.


    As to the relationship with his previous back injury, the only relationship I can think of is being deconditioned and increasing practice and play time too quickly.


    Q: What do you make of two screws being inserted into his foot?


    The fracture needs to be stabilized and the screws are used for internal fixation. This is the expected procedure.


    With either operative or non-operative approach, up to 90% of athletes can return to their level of competition.


    Q: Do you think that percentage is lower for elite athletes, because they must climb back further to a higher level?


    They have more incentive to do that or facility to be able to do that. They have more people around them to get them there.


    He goes eight hours a day, six days a week. That’s their full-time job, and he has a team of people – from a chiropractor to massage therapist to a physical therapist and a doctor – working on your foot six hours a day.


    Q: How can he and his team minimize of suffering another injury?


    Part of his rehabilitation and evaluations of his injuries in his rehab will be looking at his footwear and seeing how they can help him with that – whether that’s orthotics or a specially built shoe for him – would probably be appropriate.


    You have to work hard on his mechanics. The people will be looking hard at how he lands, how he takes off, how he runs and try to minimize the amount of stress on his feet by doing that.


    They’re not going to tell him not to run fast. They’re not going to tell him not to jump high. They’re going to try to work with his natural athletic ability and maximize it.


    So, if Embiid returns to full health, preemptively limiting his minutes to avoid future injury would be no more effective than employing that strategy with any other player?


    That’s right.


    As long as they’re comfortable that his mechanics are together. Let’s say they find – and I don’t know this – but let’s presume he has mechanical issues with his gait or his jumping or whatever. if they don’t correct, then that’s a different story – or if he cannot correct that.


    If they find that he is mechanically sound and he’s fully recovered and he has no pain, then he should enjoy a long, healthy career.


    That leaves a lot of ifs, though it is helpful to know exactly where the uncertainty remains.


    Is he a normal 22-year-old? Is he the next Greg Oden? If we all knew the answer, we could predict the future.


     

     
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    How many also had back issues, how many only played one year of college only to skip the tournament entirely?

    Taking Embiid in the top ten would be dumb.




    bingo.  embiid will be available after someone else blows rookie contract money on him and he still won't be right.  roll the dice on him then with a "prove it to me" contract like the heat gave old man what's his name- oden

     
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    We still don't know severe it is. In general reading the severity of the injury is supposed to be related to the recovery. I don't know that Embiid is alike or different than the other cases, or if the other cases are different from each other. That is not in the referenced table.

    I'm no doctor and I assume we have no orthopedic surgeons on the board.  There may have been significant upgrades in surgical techniques - Tommy John, ACLs. The assumption that Embiid can't play is well beyond any of us.

    OTOH I don't know how Tellum expects Embiid to be drafted high without releasing his reports.

     



    I agree...this makes no sense unless Embiid wants to go to a particular team....I'd never select him without our docs doing a full review.

     
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    We still don't know severe it is. In general reading the severity of the injury is supposed to be related to the recovery. I don't know that Embiid is alike or different than the other cases, or if the other cases are different from each other. That is not in the referenced table.

    I'm no doctor and I assume we have no orthopedic surgeons on the board.  There may have been significant upgrades in surgical techniques - Tommy John, ACLs. The assumption that Embiid can't play is well beyond any of us.

    OTOH I don't know how Tellum expects Embiid to be drafted high without releasing his reports.

     



    I agree...this makes no sense unless Embiid wants to go to a particular team....I'd never select him without our docs doing a full review.



    + 1 like a salesman trying to sell you a car - but not letting you look under the hood until you buy it! Makes no sense - unless the person attempting to sell you the car is a crook!

     
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    Arn Tellum will do it if he thinks his client will be picked higher than releasing the info.

     
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    Latest ESPN mock (okay ESPN and mock mean pretty much the same thing) has the Celtics taking Embiid at 6. 

    Possibly based on Ainge's penchant for taking a chance like with Sully.  It's HUGE dfference taking a chance at 6th rather than 21st.  

    Maybe with the 17th. Unless they have the physical results and are convinced he can play after recovery. 

     
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    It could be Embiid and Saric - then back in the lotto next year!

     

     
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