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    olynik plumlee

    plumlee 15rebounds 5 offence did danny make a mistake or did phoenix draft before us

     
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    Re: olynik plumlee

    Let,s see how the "next Dirk Newitzki" did in his first game (according to fungus)

    Kelly Olynyk:

    16 Min. 4 pts. (LMAO) 3 TO's (LMAO keep in mind the 16 minutes playing time) 2 PF and a

    +/- 0f -19

    He sure is the next Dirk just like Avery Bradley is the next Michael Jordan, Jeff Green the next James Worthy and Sullinger the next Kevin McHale. (all this according to Fungus...)

    Right on cue

    laughing out loud

     
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    Re: olynik plumlee

    In response to TheNewGKDynasty's comment:
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    Let,s see how the "next Dirk Newitzki" did in his first game (according to fungus)

    Kelly Olynyk:

    16 Min. 4 pts. (LMAO) 3 TO's (LMAO keep in mind the 16 minutes playing time) 2 PF and a

    +/- 0f -19

    He sure is the next Dirk just like Avery Bradley is the next Michael Jordan, Jeff Green the next James Worthy and Sullinger the next Kevin McHale. (all this according to Fungus...)

    Right on cue

    laughing out loud

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    You are a basketball fan and you do not know how to spell Dirk Nowitski?

    The Celtics got a decent basketball player picking mid first round. It is what it is.

     
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    Re: olynik plumlee

    In response to TheNewGKDynasty's comment:
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    Let,s see how the "next Dirk Newitzki" did in his first game (according to fungus)

    Kelly Olynyk:

    16 Min. 4 pts. (LMAO) 3 TO's (LMAO keep in mind the 16 minutes playing time) 2 PF and a

    +/- 0f -19

    He sure is the next Dirk just like Avery Bradley is the next Michael Jordan, Jeff Green the next James Worthy and Sullinger the next Kevin McHale. (all this according to Fungus...)

    Right on cue

    laughing out loud

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    your lakers got nick youngs "the next joker"

     
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    Re: olynik plumlee

    In response to Fierce34's comment:
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    Dirk didn't do so well in rebounding either so why are you crapping all over Fav for his 13 pts. 3 rbs and how many blocks ... 3?

    Looks like you have a double standard!

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    Are you senile and crazy?

    Since when did anybody claim Dirk is a starting Center in the NBA?

    When Dirk came into the NBA, he was projected to become the next Larry Bird.

     

    wozzy keeps saying Fav is already a starting Center in the NBA and he's already better than Asik!

    It's ok for a shooting forward like Dirk or Olynyk to get 3 rebounds in a game.

    But when you're saying STARTING CENTER, that Center must rebound, block shots, and play good overall defense.

    Just like KG or Tyson Chandler.

     

    The comparison here is between Dirk and Olynyk, not Fav and Dirk.

    Get it? 

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    The comparison is between Dirk and Olynyk! ....and the basis for the comparison is probably related to their size and offensive ability. As to the first basis for comparison, size, both are 7' basketball players.

    So where does the second basis for comparison come into play? Is it OFFENSIVE ability (0r potential)? What stimulated the comparison was Olynyk's offensive potential in Summer League, surprisingly lost in NBA games to date.

    While we were ready to crown Olynyk as the second coming of McHale for his inside game, while his "point-forward" passing skills reminded us of Larry Bird and his perimiter game of Dirk what has the coach and staff done to foster these talents? IMO they have "sat-on-their-hands" in cultivating those gifts.

    In Rondo's formative days in the NBA he was a one trick pony locked in a paper bag. Because he had no outside shot, no middle-game and poor ability to finish around the basket his offense was ignored and defenses overplayed his passes. It wasn't until Rondo became an offensive threat (with his ability to penetrate the pocket ) that he caused havoc when defenses adjusted to HIM.

    Olynyk has forgotten that he is first an OFFENSIVE weapon and then a facilitator for his teammates. He needs to hone his outside, middle and inside game while the Celtics remain mirred in confusion. He needs to convince his teammates to LOOK for him in offensive sets instead of Avery firing away three pointers because the Celtics are SO desperate for a Green clone on offense.

    Olynyk's game has regressed to setting picks and acting like a point guard but the lessons Rondo learned early on apply to Olynyk as well. Become a scoring threat yourself so that when you set a screen that doesn't work (and most haven't because his man follows the play) you're ready for a pass and shot.

    Olynyk has reduced his defensive game to being a help defender and his offensive game to setting picks. Neither function forshadows eventual star status. Is this the same player that general managers voted "the steal of the draft"?

    If Olynyk wants to see more floor time he must address how he can best help his team for the long haul. If his coaches aren't totally asleep at the wheel they will make this feature a condition for PT. How can a 7' player who handles the ball like a PG not get his shot if he spaces the floor accordingly???? GO FIGURE!

     
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    Re: olynik plumlee

    In response to moskk's comment:
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    In response to Fierce34's comment:
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    In response to Mployee8's comment:
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    Dirk didn't do so well in rebounding either so why are you crapping all over Fav for his 13 pts. 3 rbs and how many blocks ... 3?

    Looks like you have a double standard!

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    Are you senile and crazy?

    Since when did anybody claim Dirk is a starting Center in the NBA?

    When Dirk came into the NBA, he was projected to become the next Larry Bird.

     

    wozzy keeps saying Fav is already a starting Center in the NBA and he's already better than Asik!

    It's ok for a shooting forward like Dirk or Olynyk to get 3 rebounds in a game.

    But when you're saying STARTING CENTER, that Center must rebound, block shots, and play good overall defense.

    Just like KG or Tyson Chandler.

     

    The comparison here is between Dirk and Olynyk, not Fav and Dirk.

    Get it? 

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    The comparison is between Dirk and Olynyk! ....and the basis for the comparison is probably related to their size and offensive ability. As to the first basis for comparison, size, both are 7' basketball players.

    So where does the second basis for comparison come into play? Is it OFFENSIVE ability (0r potential)? What stimulated the comparison was Olynyk's offensive potential in Summer League, surprisingly lost in NBA games to date.

    While we were ready to crown Olynyk as the second coming of McHale for his inside game, while his "point-forward" passing skills reminded us of Larry Bird and his perimiter game of Dirk what has the coach and staff done to foster these talents? IMO they have "sat-on-their-hands" in cultivating those gifts.

    In Rondo's formative days in the NBA he was a one trick pony locked in a paper bag. Because he had no outside shot, no middle-game and poor ability to finish around the basket his offense was ignored and defenses overplayed his passes. It wasn't until Rondo became an offensive threat (with his ability to penetrate the pocket ) that he caused havoc when defenses adjusted to HIM.

    Olynyk has forgotten that he is first an OFFENSIVE weapon and then a facilitator for his teammates. He needs to hone his outside, middle and inside game while the Celtics remain mirred in confusion. He needs to convince his teammates to LOOK for him in offensive sets instead of Avery firing away three pointers because the Celtics are SO desperate for a Green clone on offense.

    Olynyk's game has regressed to setting picks and acting like a point guard but the lessons Rondo learned early on apply to Olynyk as well. Become a scoring threat yourself so that when you set a screen that doesn't work (and most haven't because his man follows the play) you're ready for a pass and shot.

    Olynyk has reduced his defensive game to being a help defender and his offensive game to setting picks. Neither function forshadows eventual star status. Is this the same player that general managers voted "the steal of the draft"?

    If Olynyk wants to see more floor time he must address how he can best help his team for the long haul. If his coaches aren't totally asleep at the wheel they will make this feature a condition for PT. How can a 7' player who handles the ball like a PG not get his shot if he spaces the floor accordingly???? GO FIGURE!

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    moskk, your post makes perfect sense.

     
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    Re: olynik plumlee

    Take Bradley off the point and a lot of our problems will be resolved.

     
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    Take Bradley off the point and a lot of our problems will be resolved.

     

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    Last season you said Doc is an idiot for going small.

     

    Is Brad also an idiot for keeping Bradley at the point?

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    At first glance there appear to be several problems with Avery at "the point". By inclination Avery has an offensive mindset so he over-dribbles looking for daylight. It may not be entirely his fault that he over-dribbles because, with occasional exception, his teammates are standing still waiting for somebody to do something to disrupt defensive coverage. As the clock tics Avery finds that either he creates some kind of offense himself or T/O the ball.

    The team has occasionally started the "figure eight" rotation but the rotating players either don't look for a pass or that Avery can't find a passing lane to deliver the ball. Avery simply does not have the penetrating ability of a Rondo or that of Toronto's PGs. The function of the figure eight is to rub-off a defender to create interior spacing. Yet the Celtics have been self defeating in NOT removing exiting bodies from the interior so there is usually a logjam inside.

    By all appearances coaching seems to be lacking or perhaps, by intention, Brad is allowing this to occur (anybody say "tanking"?). Spacing has to be a connerstone of the Celtics offense! Unless by design two players should not be inside (on offense) at the same time to give enough inside room to maneuver. On occasion the inside needs to be open for penetration too or at least VACATED as the penetration is unfolding. It's useless to worry about offensive rebounds as an excuse to remain inside too long since your defender already has INSIDE position!

    Avery lacks passing skills as well. It's not only making the pass but the "right-kind" of pass delivered in the "right-location" at the "right-time" that constitutes a passing skill.

    In conclusion, the make-up of a successful PG has less to do with size, per se, but more to do  with ball-handling, creating passing lanes, having a high basketball IQ, being able to penetrate and finish on fast-breaks or anticipating what defenses will do to facilitate open looks for teammates. It's important to think PASS FIRST, then dribble rather than vice versa.

     
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