Pass First vs. Shoot First; Rondo vs. Westbrook

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    [QUOTE]Come on, Jamez, you're better than that. FT shooting is basketball 101. When you become a varsity player in high school the first thing you learn is how to shoot.  Sure Rondo can distribute the ball more, but if he's asked to score can he do it? Maybe if you give him lay-ups, but if Rondo makes 1 or 2 jump shots in a game that doesn't make him a shooter. Westbrook shot the ball even when he was being defended. Rondo only shoots when he's open. How many times do you get open in the NBA? The NBA defense is so good you have to make shots even when you're being defended. Rondo can't do that.
    Posted by Fiercest34[/QUOTE]

    i mean look, i play basketball, did in high school and did in college. and ive seen players that are great shooters, can shoot the lights out. but wen theres a ref and foul shots involved, they cant hit it. it looks easy but its not the easiest thing to do. and his issue isnt that he straight up CANT shoot them..youll see in games this season if he goes to the line and hits a couple, the confidence seeps and youll see a 6or7-10 performance. wen he goes and misses a couple, head goes down and he cant hit them. its all confidence, he is gaining it and i still believe they will improve. but honestly that and 3 pt shooting is the only thing you can say he is weak at. 

    its also not true that he only shoots wen he is open. there have been many times that he has taken step back shots and hit shots with people trying to contest. if you want him to FORCE shots, ur out of luck, he wont do it. hes too smart.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Pass First vs. Shoot First; Rondo vs. Westbrook : Make your case to DAinge. http://www.nba.com/celtics/contact/contact-boston-celtics.html He is apparently the biggest Rondo-hater of them all trying to shop Rondo like he has. He would love to hear from you I'm sure. Danny needs to hear from posters like you who really understand basketball far better than he does. Pud
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    yea except Rondo is still on the team..and Danny has explained many times what they were doing. hmm..

    you must think DA thinks Ray Allen is a bad player too. or even Paul Pierce!
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Pass First vs. Shoot First; Rondo vs. Westbrook : Again, let's make the playoffs first before we actually talk about the playoffs. Right now we're not even the 8th seed.
    Posted by Fiercest34[/QUOTE]

      Fair enough however, even though Westbrook's fourth quarter scoring (when he hits) helped his team win tonight, there is no way he keeps a Paul Pierce and Ray Allen happy and efficient as scorers like Rondo has.

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Pass First vs. Shoot First; Rondo vs. Westbrook : Year 6, that's how long Rondo has been in the NBA. He's not going to improve anymore. Usually it takes a player 2-3 years to improve.  
    Posted by Fiercest34[/QUOTE]

    he has improved everything else.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Pass First vs. Shoot First; Rondo vs. Westbrook : Hard to argue with success, the Thunder have the best record in the NBA right now. Whether Westbrook makes Pierce or Ray happy, it doesn't matter, Pierce and Ray don't play for the Thunder.
    Posted by Fiercest34[/QUOTE]

    aaand the thunder also have young studs on their team..not to mention one of them is the 3 time reigning scoring champion and a top 3 player in the league. stop that.

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Pass First vs. Shoot First; Rondo vs. Westbrook : Hard to argue with success, the Thunder have the best record in the NBA right now. Whether Westbrook makes Pierce or Ray happy, it doesn't matter, Pierce and Ray don't play for the Thunder.
    Posted by Fiercest34[/QUOTE]

    how about arguing with the success that Rondo has had with his skillset, DOMINATING playoff series's and extending the big 3's career two yrs longer than it should have been.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Pass First vs. Shoot First; Rondo vs. Westbrook : passfirst was making a case about how Pierce and Ray would be unhappy if the Celts PG is Westbrook. You think the Thunder are unhappy right now? 
    Posted by Fiercest34[/QUOTE]

      my case is against any assertion that the Celts would be better off with Westbrook over Rondo, they wouldn't.  And the Thunder would arguably be better off with Rondo than Westbrook.  Rondo would have made the right dishes in last years playoff run for them, think thats safe to say.  And for a team that can run, having a brilliant passer is going to make them more lethal when they are running.

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Pass First vs. Shoot First; Rondo vs. Westbrook : Rondo's FT shooting has not improved.  Rondo making 1 or 2 jump shots every game is not an improvement.  Rondo's FG% is usually high because he gots a lot of lay-ups. So what department did Rondo improve in?
    Posted by Fiercest34[/QUOTE]

    well he makes more then 1 or 2 shots a game, but ok. 

    his fg% has improved, his jumpshooting has improved, and his abiity to run the team has improved. did rondo run the team in 08? ok then. the fact that your daring to say he hasnt improved in his time in the league proves the fact that you are a rondo hater and dont want to see him succeed, which is why everytime he has a subpar game ur on here making posts. but its cool, ur one of like 5 people that feel he hasnt improved, i can live with that.
     
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    Rondos biggest problem to me is exactly wat Stan Van Gundy says all the time, he needs to find a way to keep his teammates involved while at the same time continuing to look for his own offense. im in agreement with that.
     
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      I'm not sure Westbrook is as good of a shooter in general as Rondo is a passer.  He made some good shots tonight.  

     do you mean good passer or willing shooter.  even if Westbrook was willing to pass the ball he probably couldn't put it in the perfect place at the perfect time like Rondo routinely does for Ray.  Also, passing is as much about vision, and vision isn't as easy to work on as shooting.  I'd say vision is more of an innate quality and speaks to a players Basketball IQ.

      Westbrook took the highlights and the win tonight, so props.  Just don't think he's the quarterback that Rondo is.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Pass First vs. Shoot First; Rondo vs. Westbrook : Rondo is not producing in the 4th qtr of games this year. Why is that?
    Posted by Fiercest34[/QUOTE]

    is anyone producing in the 4th qtr?
     
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    [QUOTE]Rondo's problem is he's a bad shooter. Westbrook's problem is he doesn't like to pass. Now, can we honestly say that becoming a willing passer is more difficult to learn than becoming a good shooter? 
    Posted by Fiercest34[/QUOTE]


    again, you keep saying hes a bad shooter. this year he is NOT a bad shooter. fg%, matter of fact, check his JUMPSHOT percentage since u think he is so bad.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Pass First vs. Shoot First; Rondo vs. Westbrook :   my case is against any assertion that the Celts would be better off with Westbrook over Rondo, they wouldn't.  And the Thunder would arguably be better off with Rondo than Westbrook.  Rondo would have made the right dishes in last years playoff run for them, think thats safe to say.  And for a team that can run, having a brilliant passer is going to make them more lethal when they are running.
    Posted by passfirst[/QUOTE]

    exactly. when Rondo was at his best, in the 2010 playoffs, he had people to run with. paul pierce and ray were still running with him, along with BBD and Tony Allen. now that there is noone running with him he has to slow everything down. 

    fierce and pud always say no 4th qtr production, he has showed he can be productive in the 4th if you let him do what he is great at doing. 

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Pass First vs. Shoot First; Rondo vs. Westbrook : Rondo only makes 1 or 2 jump shots a game. His other shots come from lay-ups.  Rondo's FG% has been going down since the January 1 game against the Wiz. Rondo ran the team well in 2008 because he kept it simple, he didn't try to do all those fancy passes that would result in a turnover. Proof of this is Rondo only turned the ball over 1.91 times per game in 2008.  Check the stats if you want. http://www.nba.com/playerfile/rajon_rondo/career_stats.html Rondo's turnovers have risen since 2008. From 1.91 in 2008 to 2.6 in 2009, 3.04 in 2010, and 3.44 last year.
    Posted by Fiercest34[/QUOTE]

    are you trying to tell us that Rondo was a better pg in 2008 than he is now? is that wat your saying??

    im done. you win.

     
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