Perkins trade still a mistake but Danny has made up for it.

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    Perkins trade still a mistake but Danny has made up for it.

    Brandon Bass, Pietrus, Stiemsma, Bradley, Moore, Johnson are feathers in his cap.

    Also not dealing K.G.,Pierce,Ray or Rondo are good calls on his part.

    So I'm not going to hate him for the Perk trade.

    I still would have preferred MarShon Brooks but, Bradley is the better guard right now. So we would have too many promising young guards.

    So Johnson is still a promising young forward (which we need more now that Bradley has grown) although not a better player than MarShon right now.

    Way to make a comeback Danny!
     
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    Re: Perkins trade still a mistake but Danny has made up for it.

    Perk is incredibly overpaid now and still has a ways to go on his contract.

    It will be impossible to judge the perk trade for a few more years.  
     
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    Re: Perkins trade still a mistake but Danny has made up for it.

    Perk and Ibaka are punking our twin towers!
     
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    Perk is incredibly overpaid now and still has a ways to go on his contract. It will be impossible to judge the perk trade for a few more years.  
    Posted by snakeoil123


    I disagree. Perk is like a point guard for the front court.

    There just isn't a stat for boxing out and setting solid picks and putting the fear of god into would be penetrators and post players.

    You can only judge Perk with a keen eye for what his role is and how well he executes that.

    Perk often sacrifices his body so that his teams scorers can get open, and so the high flyers can rebound and get blocks.
     
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    Re: Perkins trade still a mistake but Danny has made up for it.

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    In Response to Re: Perkins trade still a mistake but Danny has made up for it. : I disagree. Perk is like a point guard for the front court. There just isn't a stat for boxing out and setting solid picks and putting the fear of god into would be penetrators and post players. You can only judge Perk with a keen eye for what his role is and how well he executes that. Perk often sacrifices his body so that his teams scorers can get open, and so the high flyers can rebound and get blocks.
    Posted by DaCeltics

    He has three more years to go after this year and he is making close to 9 million a year.  Also you have no idea what Green would have done this year.

    Regardless that's a lot of money for a guy that has averaged 6 points and 6 boards a game for his career no matter how good he is at intangibles.

    Lets talk about it in a few years.  I would bet money that the Thunder will be dying to get rid of his contract.  My point was you can't say anything is a "mistake" when contracts are involved.  Ainge offered perkins 22 million for four years.  he said no.  he got traded.  

     
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    Re: Perkins trade still a mistake but Danny has made up for it.

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    Brandon Bass, Pietrus, Stiemsma, Bradley, Moore, Johnson are feathers in his cap. Also not dealing K.G.,Pierce,Ray or Rondo are good calls on his part. So I'm not going to hate him for the Perk trade. I still would have preferred MarShon Brooks but, Bradley is the better guard right now. So we would have too many promising young guards. So Johnson is still a promising young forward (which we need more now that Bradley has grown) although not a better player than MarShon right now. Way to make a comeback Danny!
    Posted by DaCeltics

    The Perkins trade was not a mistake.He demanded too much money.The celtics are just fine.Good mix of young and veterans.
     
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    Re: Perkins trade still a mistake but Danny has made up for it.

    Danny was right to trade Perk but his timing sucked. He should have played him for the rest of the year and then tried for a sign and trade after the season. He did it right with BBD and should have done that with Perk so as not to disrupt the season. At least he learned from the mistake and held his powder dry this year.
     
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    Re: Perkins trade still a mistake but Danny has made up for it.

    WRONG !

    If Jeff Green played this yr on a one yr deal and Kristic came back the trade would be one of the best in recent Celtics history (25 yrs)

    It's not Ainge's fault the NBA Players Union has the best medical care on Earth, even 10 yrs ago, Jeff Green would have played and no one would have known about a heart test

    And then to get a double whammy with Chris Wilcox ? What are the odds ?
    Again, not Ainge's fault.

    And then Jermaine O'Neal being hurt the whole time then wanting a release to go back to Miami to play against The Celtics ? At least it was only a 2 yr deal...

    Jeff Green will be back next yr for less than the 1yr $9M deal offered last summer.

    It's too early to say if the PERK trade was a bust....



     
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    I think in the end both teams will benefit from the trade...but we have more flexibility...which is gold in the coming years..
     
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    I also thought letting T Allen walk was a mistaker, but watching the AB development even that is now a thing of the past..the BB trade was a no brainer..and holding at the line this year will probably his best move yet...
     
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    The only skill Perk has is he always looks like he just smelled a f@rt...
     
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    Re: Perkins trade still a mistake but Danny has made up for it.

    " So I'm not going to hate him for the Perk trade."

    Why not it was one of the worst trades of the last ten years? 

    Ainge has indeed made some very good moves of late, but what if we are swept in the first round and can't sign good free agents the next offseason? 

    Or are you happy with a decent regular season? 

    I say you judge Ainge AFTER this playoffs. 


     
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    Re: Perkins trade still a mistake but Danny has made up for it.

    In retrospect, the Perk trade was questionable for that season because Shaq never came back. Assuming Dan understood Shaq would be fine, dumping Perk was a good move cause he was leaving after the season anyway.

    Regarding Perks intangibles, watch him closely during games. On rebounds, many times hes watching the flight of the ball and not looking for a body to box out. He does set some good picks and seems like hes learned not to move on them and get whistled..at least from the limited games ive seen

    Perk always had some nice defensive games but to me, KG made the defense work and Perk got a nice ride on his coattails. Hes a serviceable player but a 2nd-3rd tier player at best.
     
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    Re: Perkins trade still a mistake but Danny has made up for it.

    We all have to admit that Perk is not a great player. Slow, often dumb plays, and not that coordinated. But, he's big, strong, a good on ball big man defender who rebounded better than the rest of our guys (and that's our single biggest Achilles!). So trading Perk and Semih so the team had to depend on Shaq and JON was not a smart gamble. It would be brilliant if Shaq were coming back but either we have the worst medical advice or Danny knew enough NOT to take that gamble. All of this and we are not yet talking about the destruction of chemistry and players new players not knowing their roles on the court! It would have been a wonderful trade in the offseason or a great sign and trade like w/Davis. It gave us very nice future flexibility. But with all the change Danny implemented mid-season (trades and signings) and then depending on two older players with a history of injury.......I wish he had shown more patience with the team we already had.
     
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    I wish that Perk would've gone after Artest....that punk may be crazy but he needs someone to put him on his backside....if Perk was a true enforcer he would've made Ron Ron pay for that elbow....of course, then he probably gets suspended as well....

    People still talk about McHale's closeline on Rambis.....hell, no one even got tossed back in the day...Bynum and Artest are punks....Bynum is just immature.....Artest is a nutjob...
     
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    Re: Perkins trade still a mistake but Danny has made up for it.

    Hindsight is 20-20. Looking back at the time:

    Perkins was not going to be resigned because of cap issues and at the end of 2010-2011 season was going to walk without compensation.

    The C's had no bench strength at all at small forward but had the O'Neal's on the mend at the time.

    The trade did not work out for the C's. The O'Neal's never got right physically and Green did not adapt to the C's system in mid season. It now looks all the worse when the C's sign Green as a RFA for this season and he can't play.

    So the C's end up not having any depth at center last year, traded Perk who played well in OKC and Green never did give them the minutes behind Paul that the C's were hoping to get.

    Yes it ended up being a bad trade but is it that hard to see what Ainge was trying to get done?
     
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    Re: Perkins trade still a mistake but Danny has made up for it.

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    Hindsight is 20-20. Looking back at the time: Perkins was not going to be resigned because of cap issues and at the end of 2010-2011 season was going to walk without compensation. The C's had no bench strength at all at small forward but had the O'Neal's on the mend at the time. The trade did not work out for the C's. The O'Neal's never got right physically and Green did not adapt to the C's system in mid season. It now looks all the worse when the C's sign Green as a RFA for this season and he can't play. So the C's end up not having any depth at center last year, traded Perk who played well in OKC and Green never did give them the minutes behind Paul that the C's were hoping to get. Yes it ended up being a bad trade but is it that hard to see what Ainge was trying to get done? Posted by fivekatz
    Yes, it's easy to see what he was trying to do. But, can't agree that Danny was going to lose Perk with no Compensation. Green was in a similar situation. The sign and trade worked for BBD and many others. It would have worked for Perk, IMO, and we would have used him until the end of the season.
     
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    Re: Perkins trade still a mistake but Danny has made up for it.

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    The only skill Perk has is he always looks like he just smelled a f@rt...
    Posted by TheNewGKDynasty


    Perkins got Bynums butt put on the bench. HAHA
     
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    Re: Perkins trade still a mistake but Danny has made up for it.

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    In response to "Re: Perkins trade still a mistake but Danny has made up for it.": Yes, it's easy to see what he was trying to do. But, can't agree that Danny was going to lose Perk with no Compensation. Green was in a similar situation. The sign and trade worked for BBD and many others. It would have worked for Perk, IMO, and we would have used him until the end of the season.
    Posted by Celtsfan4life
    The C's weren't going to match. Danny even said at the time of the trade is that he knew that were at least two teams that could give Perk offer sheets for more than the C's could pay within their cap constraints.

    The possibility of sign trade was there of course but there are no guarantees that you can pull those off when you start to get into bigger contracts. You rightfully point out that I should have said that Danny risked getting no compensation if Perk walked at the end of the year.

    The C's also questioned how healthy Perk's knees would be for the balance of last season, a miscalculation on their part as was Green's ability to slot in seamlessly as the back-up 3 and 4. 
     
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