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Pierce isnt done... he just needs to play limited minutes and come off the bench..  If the C"s had a good coach, we might have seen it happen long ago

Pierce is not done if he ends up in OKC.

I missed this.  Why would OKC want Pierce?  Kevin Martin is playing great.  Pierce isn't defending or scoring and they are going to give us a lottery pick AND Kevin Martin for him?

Doc has done a very poor job handling any of the Big 3 regarding their PT or changing roles as the years have passed them and the franchise by.

RA bolted after being flogged to death by way too much playing time the last few seasons... and CPP and KG are obviously wearing out at this point too.

They may not want to hear it but doc needs the courage to tell them that their PT will be managed tightly from here on out... win, lose or draw.

Never too late to change coaching strategies but we are getting very close.

Otherwise, doc is a dead duck short-timer.

Pud 

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Pierce isnt done... he just needs to play limited minutes and come off the bench..  If the C"s had a good coach, we might have seen it happen long ago

Pierce is not done if he ends up in OKC.

I missed this.  Why would OKC want Pierce?  Kevin Martin is playing great.  Pierce isn't defending or scoring and they are going to give us a lottery pick AND Kevin Martin for him?

All Kevin Martin does is stand around. He just waits for his defender to double or leave him open so that he'll shoot a 3. He's a one trick pony.

If you don't think Paul Pierce would be an upgrade over Kevin Martin then you don't know NBA basketball.

Just because Pierce is playing bad the past few weeks, it doesn't mean Pierce will not be better than Kevin Martin in the playoffs.

And in case you didn't know, Martin has only played in 6 playoff games.

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Pierce isnt done... he just needs to play limited minutes and come off the bench..  If the C"s had a good coach, we might have seen it happen long ago

Pierce is not done if he ends up in OKC.

I missed this.  Why would OKC want Pierce?  Kevin Martin is playing great.  Pierce isn't defending or scoring and they are going to give us a lottery pick AND Kevin Martin for him?

All Kevin Martin does is stand around. He just waits for his defender to double or leave him open so that he'll shoot a 3. He's a one trick pony.

If you don't think Paul Pierce would be an upgrade over Kevin Martin then you don't know NBA basketball.

Just because Pierce is playing bad the past few weeks, it doesn't mean Pierce will not be better than Kevin Martin in the playoffs.

And in case you didn't know, Martin has only played in 6 playoff games.

Yeah.  He's a one-trick-pony who scored 24 points last night on 9-16 shooting.  Pierce is a no-trick-pony.  OKC is 34-10 and doing just fine.  Why would they blow up their team chemistry?  Keep dreaming if you think that Pierce is going to net Martin and a lottery pick. 

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Pierce isnt done... he just needs to play limited minutes and come off the bench..  If the C"s had a good coach, we might have seen it happen long ago

Pierce is not done if he ends up in OKC.

I missed this.  Why would OKC want Pierce?  Kevin Martin is playing great.  Pierce isn't defending or scoring and they are going to give us a lottery pick AND Kevin Martin for him?

All Kevin Martin does is stand around. He just waits for his defender to double or leave him open so that he'll shoot a 3. He's a one trick pony.

If you don't think Paul Pierce would be an upgrade over Kevin Martin then you don't know NBA basketball.

Just because Pierce is playing bad the past few weeks, it doesn't mean Pierce will not be better than Kevin Martin in the playoffs.

And in case you didn't know, Martin has only played in 6 playoff games.

Yeah.  He's a one-trick-pony who scored 24 points last night on 9-16 shooting.  Pierce is a no-trick-pony.  OKC is 34-10 and doing just fine.  Why would they blow up their team chemistry?  Keep dreaming if you think that Pierce is going to net Martin and a lottery pick. 

Let's just see what happens after the playoffs or the Finals what Kevin Martin does.

If OKC once again fails to win a championship then remember what I told you today.

Seriously, in 6 playoffs games, Kevin Martin just averaged 13.2 ppg shooting 40.7% FG.

snakeoil already said Pierce is a better overall player. You're out voted 2-1.

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Pierce isnt done... he just needs to play limited minutes and come off the bench..  If the C"s had a good coach, we might have seen it happen long ago

Pierce is not done if he ends up in OKC.

I missed this.  Why would OKC want Pierce?  Kevin Martin is playing great.  Pierce isn't defending or scoring and they are going to give us a lottery pick AND Kevin Martin for him?

All Kevin Martin does is stand around. He just waits for his defender to double or leave him open so that he'll shoot a 3. He's a one trick pony.

If you don't think Paul Pierce would be an upgrade over Kevin Martin then you don't know NBA basketball.

Just because Pierce is playing bad the past few weeks, it doesn't mean Pierce will not be better than Kevin Martin in the playoffs.

And in case you didn't know, Martin has only played in 6 playoff games.

Yeah.  He's a one-trick-pony who scored 24 points last night on 9-16 shooting.  Pierce is a no-trick-pony.  OKC is 34-10 and doing just fine.  Why would they blow up their team chemistry?  Keep dreaming if you think that Pierce is going to net Martin and a lottery pick. 

Let's just see what happens after the playoffs or the Finals what Kevin Martin does.

If OKC once again fails to win a championship then remember what I told you today.

Seriously, in 6 playoffs games, Kevin Martin just averaged 13.2 ppg shooting 40.7% FG.

snakeoil already said Pierce is a better overall player. You're out voted 2-1.

I am not saying the trade would happen  as far as a lottery pick goes but yeah Pierce>Martin on a championship contender.

Pierce has a lot of respect around the league as a warrior and a true professional.  Martin has the rep as a jump shooter.

Martin in 31 minutes averages 15 points  2 boards and 1 assist a game.

Pierce in 33 minutes averages 19 points 6 boards and 4 assists.

Again not to mention that Pierce has tons of playoff experience and is tough...

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Pierce isnt done... he just needs to play limited minutes and come off the bench..  If the C"s had a good coach, we might have seen it happen long ago

Pierce is not done if he ends up in OKC.

I missed this.  Why would OKC want Pierce?  Kevin Martin is playing great.  Pierce isn't defending or scoring and they are going to give us a lottery pick AND Kevin Martin for him?

All Kevin Martin does is stand around. He just waits for his defender to double or leave him open so that he'll shoot a 3. He's a one trick pony.

If you don't think Paul Pierce would be an upgrade over Kevin Martin then you don't know NBA basketball.

Just because Pierce is playing bad the past few weeks, it doesn't mean Pierce will not be better than Kevin Martin in the playoffs.

And in case you didn't know, Martin has only played in 6 playoff games.

Yeah.  He's a one-trick-pony who scored 24 points last night on 9-16 shooting.  Pierce is a no-trick-pony.  OKC is 34-10 and doing just fine.  Why would they blow up their team chemistry?  Keep dreaming if you think that Pierce is going to net Martin and a lottery pick. 

Let's just see what happens after the playoffs or the Finals what Kevin Martin does.

If OKC once again fails to win a championship then remember what I told you today.

Seriously, in 6 playoffs games, Kevin Martin just averaged 13.2 ppg shooting 40.7% FG.

snakeoil already said Pierce is a better overall player. You're out voted 2-1.

I am not saying the trade would happen  as far as a lottery pick goes but yeah Pierce>Martin on a championship contender.

Pierce has a lot of respect around the league as a warrior and a true professional.  Martin has the rep as a jump shooter.

Martin in 31 minutes averages 15 points  2 boards and 1 assist a game.

Pierce in 33 minutes averages 19 points 6 boards and 4 assists.

Again not to mention that Pierce has tons of playoff experience and is tough...

We're not comparing careers here.  I suspect Pierce worked himself silly in the offseason.  He dropped weight and he looked good early on - quicker, but I think he's paying for it now.  His legs are gone now.  How much better do you think they'll be 4 months from now?  And, good-ole Fierce setting up a straw man argument, I'm not saying Martin is a better player than Pierce.  I'm saying there is no way OKC will do that trade.  Martin fits in.  The team is playing well.  There is no reason for them to make a major shakeup.

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Pierce isnt done... he just needs to play limited minutes and come off the bench..  If the C"s had a good coach, we might have seen it happen long ago

Pierce is not done if he ends up in OKC.

I missed this.  Why would OKC want Pierce?  Kevin Martin is playing great.  Pierce isn't defending or scoring and they are going to give us a lottery pick AND Kevin Martin for him?

All Kevin Martin does is stand around. He just waits for his defender to double or leave him open so that he'll shoot a 3. He's a one trick pony.

If you don't think Paul Pierce would be an upgrade over Kevin Martin then you don't know NBA basketball.

Just because Pierce is playing bad the past few weeks, it doesn't mean Pierce will not be better than Kevin Martin in the playoffs.

And in case you didn't know, Martin has only played in 6 playoff games.

Yeah.  He's a one-trick-pony who scored 24 points last night on 9-16 shooting.  Pierce is a no-trick-pony.  OKC is 34-10 and doing just fine.  Why would they blow up their team chemistry?  Keep dreaming if you think that Pierce is going to net Martin and a lottery pick. 

Let's just see what happens after the playoffs or the Finals what Kevin Martin does.

If OKC once again fails to win a championship then remember what I told you today.

Seriously, in 6 playoffs games, Kevin Martin just averaged 13.2 ppg shooting 40.7% FG.

snakeoil already said Pierce is a better overall player. You're out voted 2-1.

I am not saying the trade would happen  as far as a lottery pick goes but yeah Pierce>Martin on a championship contender.

Pierce has a lot of respect around the league as a warrior and a true professional.  Martin has the rep as a jump shooter.

Martin in 31 minutes averages 15 points  2 boards and 1 assist a game.

Pierce in 33 minutes averages 19 points 6 boards and 4 assists.

Again not to mention that Pierce has tons of playoff experience and is tough...

We're not comparing careers here.  I suspect Pierce worked himself silly in the offseason.  He dropped weight and he looked good early on - quicker, but I think he's paying for it now.  His legs are gone now.  How much better do you think they'll be 4 months from now?  And, good-ole Fierce setting up a straw man argument, I'm not saying Martin is a better player than Pierce.  I'm saying there is no way OKC will do that trade.  Martin fits in.  The team is playing well.  There is no reason for them to make a major shakeup.

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Pierce isnt done... he just needs to play limited minutes and come off the bench..  If the C"s had a good coach, we might have seen it happen long ago

Pierce is not done if he ends up in OKC.

I missed this.  Why would OKC want Pierce?  Kevin Martin is playing great.  Pierce isn't defending or scoring and they are going to give us a lottery pick AND Kevin Martin for him?

All Kevin Martin does is stand around. He just waits for his defender to double or leave him open so that he'll shoot a 3. He's a one trick pony.

If you don't think Paul Pierce would be an upgrade over Kevin Martin then you don't know NBA basketball.

Just because Pierce is playing bad the past few weeks, it doesn't mean Pierce will not be better than Kevin Martin in the playoffs.

And in case you didn't know, Martin has only played in 6 playoff games.

Yeah.  He's a one-trick-pony who scored 24 points last night on 9-16 shooting.  Pierce is a no-trick-pony.  OKC is 34-10 and doing just fine.  Why would they blow up their team chemistry?  Keep dreaming if you think that Pierce is going to net Martin and a lottery pick. 

Let's just see what happens after the playoffs or the Finals what Kevin Martin does.

If OKC once again fails to win a championship then remember what I told you today.

Seriously, in 6 playoffs games, Kevin Martin just averaged 13.2 ppg shooting 40.7% FG.

snakeoil already said Pierce is a better overall player. You're out voted 2-1.

I am not saying the trade would happen  as far as a lottery pick goes but yeah Pierce>Martin on a championship contender.

Pierce has a lot of respect around the league as a warrior and a true professional.  Martin has the rep as a jump shooter.

Martin in 31 minutes averages 15 points  2 boards and 1 assist a game.

Pierce in 33 minutes averages 19 points 6 boards and 4 assists.

Again not to mention that Pierce has tons of playoff experience and is tough...

We're not comparing careers here.  I suspect Pierce worked himself silly in the offseason.  He dropped weight and he looked good early on - quicker, but I think he's paying for it now.  His legs are gone now.  How much better do you think they'll be 4 months from now?  And, good-ole Fierce setting up a straw man argument, I'm not saying Martin is a better player than Pierce.  I'm saying there is no way OKC will do that trade.  Martin fits in.  The team is playing well.  There is no reason for them to make a major shakeup.

I think they might make that trade one on one but I agree they would not give up a draft pick as well.

Snakeoil, when I look at the stats you put up, I like Martin's compared to Pierce's.  Hear me out!

Now understand that I have not researched this but I have to believe Martin doesn't take nearly the number of shots that Pierce takes.  Martin is also the 3rd option, 2nd option at best any time he's on the court while Pierce is Boston's FIRST OPTION.

If Martin consistently took the number of shots Pierce took on a nightly basis, Martin's numbers would probably be comparable, if not better, than Pierce's.  I honestly don't believe that Pierce would be as efficient in limited minutes as a backup in the way Martin is.

Pierce is a better playoff player than alot of star SFs (incluging Rudy Gay, for instance) but I'd take Gay over Pierce today if we had that opportunity.

Pierce is not done as a backup with limited minutes but he is done as a 36 minutes a game starting SF who is your teams first scoring option.  Yes, he's done in that role.

Pierce is better all around player  than Martin, everyone knows this and Pierce only has 5 million guaranteed next year.

He would be very enticing for any contending team.

To me is the the guy that Ainge needs to trade, and I don't think Pierce would mind ending his career chasing a ring.

I'm not saying that.  I'm saying Pierce is not done if he plays a supporting role, coming off the bench, with the Celtics.

Snake used a "per 36 minutes" comparison.  That's a bit deceiving because it doesn't take into account the fact that Pierce would be worn out playing 36 minutes per game.  He's at 33 minutes a game now and it's obvious that's too big a load for him to perform at a high level night in and night out.  Pierce would probably be most effective playing about 25 minutes per game with the mindset of "taking over" when he's in the game.  He's not effective with that mindset while playing 35-plus minutes per game.  So that "36 minutes per game" comparison is invalid.

The problem with the Celtics is that Doc hasn't come to that realization yet or he is too loyal to Pierce and less to the team to demote him to the second unit with limited minutes.

Then when the playoffs arrive with a condensed rotation, Pierce would be even more of an asset to the team.

I'm not saying that.  I'm saying Pierce is not done if he plays a supporting role, coming off the bench, with the Celtics.

Snake used a "per 36 minutes" comparison.  That's a bit deceiving because it doesn't take into account the fact that Pierce would be worn out playing 36 minutes per game.  He's at 33 minutes a game now and it's obvious that's too big a load for him to perform at a high level night in and night out.  Pierce would probably be most effective playing about 25 minutes per game with the mindset of "taking over" when he's in the game.  He's not effective with that mindset while playing 35-plus minutes per game.  So that "36 minutes per game" comparison is invalid.

The problem with the Celtics is that Doc hasn't come to that realization yet or he is too loyal to Pierce and less to the team to demote him to the second unit with limited minutes.

Then when the playoffs arrive with a condensed rotation, Pierce would be even more of an asset to the team.

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Pierce isnt done... he just needs to play limited minutes and come off the bench..  If the C"s had a good coach, we might have seen it happen long ago

Pierce is not done if he ends up in OKC.

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I'm not saying that.  I'm saying Pierce is not done if he plays a supporting role, coming off the bench, with the Celtics.

Snake used a "per 36 minutes" comparison.  That's a bit deceiving because it doesn't take into account the fact that Pierce would be worn out playing 36 minutes per game.  He's at 33 minutes a game now and it's obvious that's too big a load for him to perform at a high level night in and night out.  Pierce would probably be most effective playing about 25 minutes per game with the mindset of "taking over" when he's in the game.  He's not effective with that mindset while playing 35-plus minutes per game.  So that "36 minutes per game" comparison is invalid.

The problem with the Celtics is that Doc hasn't come to that realization yet or he is too loyal to Pierce and less to the team to demote him to the second unit with limited minutes.

Then when the playoffs arrive with a condensed rotation, Pierce would be even more of an asset to the team.

How about if Pierce is with OKC?  You think OKC would be a better playoff team with Pierce instead of Kevin Martin?

Right now Green is better than Pierce.