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    Besides his blunders in game 6 a couple other things come to mind.

    As Danny Green was taking the Heat apart drilling open 3's, Spols made the switch to stop doubling TD and run out on Green... it worked as Green stunk the joint out the last two games in Miami.. A calculated and perhaps desperate risk they had to make.

    Contrast to Pops decision to back off Lebron and allow him wide open, take your time, have a cup of coffee then drain jumpers and 3balls at will.... the main reason the Heat are NBA champs

    The question is, with Lebron killing the Spurs with his jumper, why didnt Pops make an adjustment like Spols did to Green>??  Nothing wrong with using a strategy of if Lebron is gonna beat us, it will be with jump shots... but when it became clear, Lebron can hit the jumper over and over, Pops should have made an adjustment.

    Spols took Pops to the woodshed and coupled with the odd decisions down the stretch in Game 6, Pops standing as one of the greatest coaches in history and the best active coach in the nba took a huge hit....

    Lastly, did anyone else feel uneasy or even disgusted watching Pops fawn and drool all over LEbron and Wade after the game? He had a big grin on for them, kissing and hugging etc etc..  He seemed thrilled for their win and a little too demonstrable with the touchy feely...

     
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    Pop's been a real jerk of late, the way he has spoken to the media and fans have been totally disrespectful and has come off as complete arrogance.  He needs to get a grip and reign in his ego.  He's a basketball coach, which is not a very important job in the grand scheme of things, and needs to stop acting like he's some kind of Nobel Prize winner. 

    Glad Ray drove that dagger into the Spurs.  Sweet revenge for when the Spurs took out the Sonics in 05.  Like they say; revenge is best served cold.  HA.

     

     
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    In response to darkman20's comment:

    Pop's been a real jerk of late, the way he has spoken to the media and fans have been totally disrespectful and has come off as complete arrogance.  He needs to get a grip and reign in his ego.  He's a basketball coach, which is not a very important job in the grand scheme of things, and needs to stop acting like he's some kind of Nobel Prize winner. 

    Glad Ray drove that dagger into the Spurs.  Sweet revenge for when the Spurs took out the Sonics in 05.  Like they say; revenge is best served cold.  HA.

     



    Agree... Pops dry humor and sarcasm is entertaining at times but when you get a steady dose of it, its really boring and insulting. Im not one to back the media with their softball, Im afraid to ask the right question demeanor, but of the ones that do, Pops delivers a generic answer full of impatience and "arent I clever" sarcasm... Hes become the character he created...

     

     
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    Interesting question!
    A few points come to my mind:

    1) Spoelstra needed 5 (!) games to adjust to green and neals shooting.

    2) Pops tactic went well for almost 6 games. Risky to change that within one game.

    3) With the drive an kick offense the heat were almost unbeatable in the 2nd half of the season. With Ray, Chalmers, Battier and Miller finding their touch from outside, Pops had to pick his poison and he put his money on James and Wade shooting outside, rather than Allen and Co shooting open 3s.

    Sometimes you lose cause your oponent is just playing great, even if your tactic/defense is well.

     

     

     
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    Giving a good shooter (Lebron) room is one thing, leaving him completely wide open from inside and outside the 3 line is another.

    The point about Spols adjusting after several games vs Pops not adjusting is a good one. However, Spols was never on the verge of elimination and when he was (game 6) he made the adjustment. On the other hand, Pops was in game 7 and had no tomorrow.... his options were to continue allowing Lebron to burn him all game or make the adjustment...

    Sometimes when your opponent is chewing up your strategy and spitting it out, at what point does your ego or intelligence say, this isnt working? Well, it wasnt working all game last night and Pops allowed his team to die sticking with it. I understand going one quarter, then 2.... but if youre in the 4th quarter and ur strategy is still being steamrolled.... what the heck are you waiting for??

     
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    In response to Gasthoerer's comment:

    Interesting question!
    A few points come to my mind:

    1) Spoelstra needed 5 (!) games to adjust to green and neals shooting.

    2) Pops tactic went well for almost 6 games. Risky to change that within one game.

    3) With the drive an kick offense the heat were almost unbeatable in the 2nd half of the season. With Ray, Chalmers, Battier and Miller finding their touch from outside, Pops had to pick his poison and he put his money on James and Wade shooting outside, rather than Allen and Co shooting open 3s.

    Sometimes you lose cause your oponent is just playing great, even if your tactic/defense is well.

     

     



    Agree.  I still believe that the Spurs had a good chance of winning game 6.  The late game decisions in that game can definitely be blamed on Pop.  It is almost impossible to win a game 7 as a visiting team.  It doesn't happen very often. 

     
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    difference: green can't find open men, lb can.

     
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    maybe it's his appreciation for great play and great  players.

     
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    Pops meet BB.

     
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    Someone check Pop and Ginobili's bank account because both looked like they were throwing the game. Their decision making was unreal.

    The basketball gods treated Tim Duncan with cruel and unusual punishment the last 2 games. ..feel bad for him.

     
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    Duncan was awesome & dominated the paint ! And what hurts is for the bad luck roll of dice he could have been in Green all these years. There is always a bit of luck involved in sports. Ginobili a hero in game 5 stunk in 6 and 7 and caused almost as many turnovers as points but he really couldn't be replaced by Green & Neal who were 2-9 in threes.

    There is always a bit of luck in sports. Battier had averaged 4 points in previous games and hit 6 threes. Good thing they didn't need Ray Allen who shot 0-2 in threes and 0-4 and ended up zero points but his critical shot in game 6 definitely earns him a right to a ring.  Not really easy for Pop as Miami has many 3 point shooters, Allen, Battier, Chalmers, Miller, Wade, LeBron & even Bosh and on any given night 1 or 2 can get hot as did Battier. I assume Allen would have  played more had Battier missed a few.  And, of course, no body really can stop LeBron from driving to the  basket.

    The better team won and I feel good that we brought them to 7 games with our ageing players and injured players to within 3-4 minutes of winning the Eastern Conference finals last year.

     

     
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    Giving a good shooter (Lebron) room is one thing, leaving him completely wide open from inside and outside the 3 line is another.

    The point about Spols adjusting after several games vs Pops not adjusting is a good one. However, Spols was never on the verge of elimination and when he was (game 6) he made the adjustment. On the other hand, Pops was in game 7 and had no tomorrow.... his options were to continue allowing Lebron to burn him all game or make the adjustment...

    Sometimes when your opponent is chewing up your strategy and spitting it out, at what point does your ego or intelligence say, this isnt working? Well, it wasnt working all game last night and Pops allowed his team to die sticking with it. I understand going one quarter, then 2.... but if youre in the 4th quarter and ur strategy is still being steamrolled.... what the heck are you waiting for??

     



     

    If you close out on Lebron he blows by you and dunks. He starts scoring with an even higher effciency. It wouldn't have worked. Pop had no real choice but to hope lebron would go cold like he was for the six prior games.

     

    also, on game six there were no real blunders. The Spurs had duncan sit, but left Diaw in becaue he is faster than Duncan and they were switching on everyone to prevent a good look at the three.

    Basically it's all calculated gambles. Sometimes they work . Sometimes they don't but it is all you can do. And having the best player on the planet makes Spo look pretty good. Lebron solves quite a few problems for a team. 

     
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    Who would've EVER thought the HEAT would win a game 7 when Bosh and Allen go scroeless. That is one amazingly lucky team.

     

     
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    Taking your Hall of Fame center out in the last minute of a Finals game is a blunder of monumental proportions.

     

     

     
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    Pop did not get outcoached by Spo, but he did outcoach himself in game 6. He had a tremendous chance to win that game up 5. But his ego got in his way. He outhought himself. The chances of winning were far greater with Duncan on the floor. Period. End of discussion. And in OT, call the timeout and get Parker and Duncan back in the game instead of letting the worst player of game 6 take it coast to coast.

     
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    Taking your Hall of Fame center out in the last minute of a Finals game is a blunder of monumental proportions.

     

     



    "In the last possession, we were switching at the three‑point line to take away the three, and Boris Diaw has a little more speed than Tim Duncan, so it makes sense to have him out there redding at the three‑point line. Unfortunately we had two guys that went to LeBron and didn’t switch with [Chris Bosh], and he went right to the hole. He’s the guy who got the rebound, so it has nothing to do with Duncan.”

     

    Pop has forgotten more b-ball than you'll or I will ever likley know. 

     
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    Giving a good shooter (Lebron) room is one thing, leaving him completely wide open from inside and outside the 3 line is another.

    The point about Spols adjusting after several games vs Pops not adjusting is a good one. However, Spols was never on the verge of elimination and when he was (game 6) he made the adjustment. On the other hand, Pops was in game 7 and had no tomorrow.... his options were to continue allowing Lebron to burn him all game or make the adjustment...

    Sometimes when your opponent is chewing up your strategy and spitting it out, at what point does your ego or intelligence say, this isnt working? Well, it wasnt working all game last night and Pops allowed his team to die sticking with it. I understand going one quarter, then 2.... but if youre in the 4th quarter and ur strategy is still being steamrolled.... what the heck are you waiting for??

    If you close out on Lebron he blows by you and dunks. He starts scoring with an even higher effciency. It wouldn't have worked. Pop had no real choice but to hope lebron would go cold like he was for the six prior games.

    also, on game six there were no real blunders. The Spurs had duncan sit, but left Diaw in becaue he is faster than Duncan and they were switching on everyone to prevent a good look at the three.

    Basically it's all calculated gambles. Sometimes they work . Sometimes they don't but it is all you can do. And having the best player on the planet makes Spo look pretty good. Lebron solves quite a few problems for a team. 



    Its quite possible youre correct that Lebron would have been more effective given the lane.... However, since his outside shot was proven all game to be 100% good enough to defeat the Spurs, whats the downside of changing strategy?  They might lose worse?

    Regarding blunders in game 6, in retrospect its obvious blunders were made removing your best rebounder when two offensive rebounds by the Heat made their victory possible.

    Additionally, wasnt the Spurs neglecting to intentionally foul a Heat player, being up 3 pts with seconds to play a blunder?  Pops answer of "we dont do that" isnt a convincing intellectual analysis, is it. 

    Finally, as I screamed at the TV as many others I know did, how could Pops stay with Ginobili when the guy continued to attempt wild, risky passes in a game with so much on the line?  When a player takes high percentage shots and misses, theres nobody to blame, hes not trying to miss and he made the right play.  When a player continues to attempt high risk, incomprehensible passes all game long and the coach allows it to continue... well, thats just bad decision making imo. Having a bad game vs continuing to make low low percentage  passes which were costing the team bigtime..theres no excuse.. Wheres the discipline?

    As a side note, the Spurs best playmaker Parker sat out the end of the clincher... Ginobili became the defacto playmaker when the championship was on the line... as of course, he delivered yet another dumb turnover driving the lane, leaving his feet with no idea what he was gonna do with the ball.. Was Parker hurt or was he out cause he was having a horrible game?? Too bad Pops didnt bench Ginobili for the same reason (if) in game 6

     

     
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    Taking your Hall of Fame center out in the last minute of a Finals game is a blunder of monumental proportions.

     

     

     



     

    "In the last possession, we were switching at the three‑point line to take away the three, and Boris Diaw has a little more speed than Tim Duncan, so it makes sense to have him out there redding at the three‑point line. Unfortunately we had two guys that went to LeBron and didn’t switch with [Chris Bosh], and he went right to the hole. He’s the guy who got the rebound, so it has nothing to do with Duncan.”

     

    Pop has forgotten more b-ball than you'll or I will ever likley know. 



    If Pops concern was having speed on the floor to switch and cover 3ballers...wth is Diaw doing out there in the first place? Lots more quicker guys on the roster than him..

    Regarding Pops knows more about...blah blah// apparently he has forgotten

     
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    Taking your Hall of Fame center out in the last minute of a Finals game is a blunder of monumental proportions.

     

     

     

     

     


     

     

     

    "In the last possession, we were switching at the three‑point line to take away the three, and Boris Diaw has a little more speed than Tim Duncan, so it makes sense to have him out there redding at the three‑point line. Unfortunately we had two guys that went to LeBron and didn’t switch with [Chris Bosh], and he went right to the hole. He’s the guy who got the rebound, so it has nothing to do with Duncan.”

     

    Pop has forgotten more b-ball than you'll or I will ever likley know. 

     

     



    If Pops concern was having speed on the floor to switch and cover 3ballers...wth is Diaw doing out there in the first place? Lots more quicker guys on the roster than him..

     

     

    Regarding Pops knows more about...blah blah// apparently he has forgotten

     

     

    no. he didn't. . 

     
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    KARL

     

    1) The downside is you are 100% sure to be beaten by lebron if he is in the lane. Jump shots come and go. If it is on, you live with it and hope he misses the next one, because HE WON"T MISS A DUNK. and you can't take both from Lebron.

     

    2) I would have fouled but there is a reaosn not to. What if you foul and the ball handler get's up a shot? three free throws.

     

    3) Manu, is one of the spurs best players. He's been in a slump, but you don't take him out because he is playing poorly. You hope he gets on track. 

    If your logic is a player should be taken out because of a bad game, well Lebron was having a TERRIBLE game six. He sorta turned it around at the end. 

     

    You live and die with your best players. Any good coach does that. 

     

     

     

     
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    The better team did not win this series(not sour grapes). If Ginobli is even remotely the player he once was, this is over in 5 or 6. "The best" coach panics when Splitter gets his shot blocked twice(who hasn't gotten they're shot blocked by LB & Wade)& goes small by playing an obviously diminished Manu. He should have minimized these blocks by continuing to play to their strengths and not played the Heat's game. LB was going to get his anyway. Let the other players' beat you. And how many times were the Spurs going to allow LB/Wade to cut to the basket for two points when the other had the ball? Didn't they review tape? The Spurs still almost took it which leads to my original point.

     
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    ":Who would've EVER thought the HEAT would win a game 7 when Bosh and Allen go scroeless. That is one amazingly lucky team."

    I could imagine it - Bosh has embraced more of a team concept and it was made clear to him to make a few plays on defense and get a ring. As for Ray, he's one of a few role players on that team - Miller Battier, etc. Only one of them has to get hot for the Heat to win. Ray is a role player on that team, not a star. Now, if the Heat were down three, different story. :) They they need him more. Otherwise, they are fine. 

    What really surprised me was: Battier getting hot after many many games of cold (not just the finals). 

    Also: Wade - I picked Spurs in 7 thinking Wade was hurt and would play like he did the first three games. I would never have picked the Spurs if I'd known Wade would play as he did in game 7. If Wade gets 25 or so and Lebron gets almost 40, all you need is a few threes and you will win. 

    But yah, Karl - Pop was thoroughly outcoached on a number of levels. He deserved to lose

       
     
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    the only defense i can come up with for pops not adjusting to lebwrong hitting the J's is:

     

    1- ginobli has all the mobility of a 1940 packard that's been on cement blocks for 40 years

     

    2- how far can you push parker with the bad hammy?  any scramble D is going to result in him having to move a lot more on D to try to cover gaps, right?

     
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    KARL

     

    1) The downside is you are 100% sure to be beaten by lebron if he is in the lane. Jump shots come and go. If it is on, you live with it and hope he misses the next one, because HE WON"T MISS A DUNK. and you can't take both from Lebron.

     

    2) I would have fouled but there is a reaosn not to. What if you foul and the ball handler get's up a shot? three free throws.

     

    3) Manu, is one of the spurs best players. He's been in a slump, but you don't take him out because he is playing poorly. You hope he gets on track. 

    If your logic is a player should be taken out because of a bad game, well Lebron was having a TERRIBLE game six. He sorta turned it around at the end. 

     You live and die with your best players. Any good coach does that. 

     



    1) What's 100% certain is you cant be 100% certain Lebron will beat your team if hes guarded more closely on the perimeter. Other than fast breaks, how many dunks did you see Lebron get this series and he was in the lane often enough

    2) First off players  get that call very rarely... and second of all the ball was inside the 3 pt line enough whre a foul, even in the act, would have resulted in only 2 shots. Both scenerios higher percentage than Ray Allen shooting an uncontested 3

    3) You do remove Manu from the lineup not necessarily because hes shooting poorly or things of that nature. Hes removed for being careless and reckless with the ball. Continual mental errors to the point of costing you the game cannot be tolerated... its no different than if every time Pierce got the ball he's shoot it from 1/2 court with 14 secs on the clock. Just cant be tolerated

    lastly, Pops took out his best player at the end of game 6, when the Spurs lost the championship. Hows that reconcile with your highlighted post above

     
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