Possible offseason moves to think about.....

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    I know this is coming off a great team effort the day after a playoff win, but the recent actions of certain players (Rondo), and the aging of others (Garnett and Allen) makes the moves this offseason so imperative for the future success of the Celtics.  

    Rondo is a very talented point guard, but we have seen and heard his meltdowns and primadonna antics both on and off the court, to the point where Danny Ainge was actively shopping him this season.  Getting ejected from Game 1 for me was the icing on the cake.  Im not sure who saw it, but Doc Rivers had a look of disgust on his face after Rondo bumped the ref.  It is time to trade Rajon Rondo, and see what we can get for him.  He has a very affodable contract and should be easy to move.

    The answer to the Rondo conundrum is Deron Williams.  How do you entice this superstar point guard to come to Boston and dawn the Green???  You go get the big man player he wanted to play with if he were to have stayed with the Nets....Dwight Howard!!!  Even though Dwight is a whiner complainer like Rondo, if i had to choose between wich one I wanted on my team...I would take Dwight Howard every day of the week.  There is zero chance Dwight plays another game for the Orlando Magic, and the Celtics need to replace Kevin Garnett with another big man.

    If this were to all go down...the Celtics would have their PG, their Swingman, anf their Big Man to build around, and from seeing the Celtics reserve players this season and postseason thus far, we have a pretty good core all ready.  The only thing i would want to add is a sharp shooter type.  Lets face it, its impossible to replace the shooting talents of Ray Allen, but maybe we can find someone who can knock down some 3's consistently.  It would be very interesting if the Celtics drafted Doc's son Austin Rivers from Duke in the draft.




     
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    Boston fans are still thinking about getting Deron Williams and Dwight Howard?
    Odds are Deron will sign with either Brooklyn or Dallas.
     
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    Deron William based on his performance this year leaves a lot to be desired.  Inconsistent and showing very little leadership he is not Rondo in the passing dept.  Most Net fans don't even care if he stays, he has not made a difference.
     
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    Deron Williams = Baron davis 5 years ago.  Starting the decline, not dedicated to staying in shape.
     
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    I am not advocating bringing in Deron Williams but I think you have to consider his circumstances with the Nets.  He could not have made that much of a difference with the Nets so I don't think he tainted his image this past season.  He is still one of the elite PGs in the NBA.

    As far as staying in shape, every player sustained nagging injuries this season and was shelved at some point.  I don't think you can knock Deron about being in shape because of his injuries just like you cannot knock Derrick Rose.  This was a strange season and there were more injuries because guys did not have any recovery time.

    Deron is saying the right things.  I see no reason why he will sign with Brooklyn.  He and Jordan Farmar visited the new arena in Brooklyn and he was impressed and indicated that it would be a nice place to play.  Would you expect him to say "wow, nice place but shame I won't get to play here"?  I don't think that's an indication that he will sign.

    You can believe he and Dwight have spoken about where they both plan to end up and THAT will be an important factor.  If he ends up in Boston, I would not be disappointed because that would significantly improve our chances of also landing Howard.
     
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    Why are idiots ALWAYS trying to get rid of Rondo. Yes he has the most value. But the most pure PG in the league. With his J coming alone. I see him as the best PURE PG. Rose is not a PG and CP3 is not RONDO. He has some issues. He didnt get arrested and he hasnt been a plague. He has done things that few players have done. He has been only 3rd player in history. Chamberlain and BIG O are the others to have a triple double and have atleast 15 in every category. He has 5 triple doubles this year. I am sure he will have atleast 1 in the playoffs. He is still very young. I would not trade him for anything he is too special. Mentioned also the only PG with Magic to do something very special. His consecutive streak of double digits in assists. Is second all time. The player weighs out what he has done off the court. Little by little he has improved in the areas that people called him out on. His j and free throws. Leave the guy alone. He didnt beat his wife like JKidd. A water bottle incident a plastic bottle at that. Lets stop hating on a guy that makes everybody better. He has had double digit games with out the big 3. He has too much MOJO on the court to get rid of him. IF they do ever TRADE him. Send him WEST, I would not want to face him in the FUTURE because he will eat us for DINNER.
     
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    I do think we need to make some calculated offseason moves.  First order of business is obtaining an NBA center.

    Second, I think we have to get a "real" PF.  A real one who can play 35 effective (offense, defense, rebounding) minutes per night.  It's obvious Brandon Bass is a small forward.  He's a big small forward who does NOTHING well but "shoot the mid-range jump shot".  That's it!  There is not one area of BB's game that merits starting PF status.  Honestly, he would be a fool to opt out of his $4M option and seek more money on the open market.  He had a decent season but he is being totally exposed for his overall deficiencies during the first couple of playoff games.

    If we had to resort to a five-five-five thing with KG this season, I'd hate to see what we'd have to resort to next season if we re-signed him.  That's a tough one because he still has significant value but we'd still have to get a solid backup PF behind him because next season we might have to do four-four-four with him.

    We HAVE to convince Ray to stay in a backup role.  I am not used to seeing a Celtics team struggle so much with the perimeter shot when WE ARE A PERIMETER SHOOTING TEAM.  We "should" attempt to keep Pietrus too although he oftentimes can't hit the side of a barn standing right next to it (does he even follow thru on his jumper).  But he does play tough defense and you cannot discount that.
     
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    Rondo will stay - unless we can package him for Tyreke Evans, who Danny has always liked!  KG over Ray - we need to re-sign Jeff Green, Steamer, Pietrus and Bass.  Then, either FA or draft our other positions.

    FA - Mayo or Young                                Draft - Waiters or Lamb
    FA - Kaman or Hibbert                             Draft - Melo or White


    That would be a deep, young team that is fun to watch!! 
     
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    In Response to Re: Possible offseason moves to think about..... : Agree I'm not sure who we draft at this point yet, I do like Waiters a lot. If a certain big Danny likes slips out of the top 10, like Moultrie, Jones, Zeller, Leonard and Sullinger... I'd consider trading both picks and Johnson into that 11-16 range to get him. We know Bass ideally a big minute backup (20-24 mins) and Stiemsma a smaller minute backup, but we have two young STARTERS at guard and can add vets and backups much easier than getting a big man. Still torn on Ray if he returns here or if he will come back healthy enough in these playoffs to even be included in a sign and trade (for Mayo and his QO around 6 million) If we simply keep the team we have now and add Green, Humphries and Mayo (or a vetand a pick at guard) we'd be pretty scary C - KG (24 mins) Stiemsma (16m) Humphries (8m) PF - Humphries (20m) Bass (20m) Green (8m) SF - Green (20m) Pierce (28m) SG - Avery (32m) Pietrus or Ray or Mayo (16m) PG - Rondo (36m) Mayo, Waiters or a vet like Baron Davis (12m) I'd think Green would benefit most from playing with Rondo so if he returns its time for Paul to volonteer to be the 6th man like McHale did late in his career. McHale had such a refined low post game that even when his legs were shot he could score on the box against backups. Pierce has his scoring moves down to a science so even at a step slower than he used to be he can dominate backups, stay rested and be a facilitator when Rondo is sitting.
    Posted by rameakap

    Great stuff, as always!!
    How about Kaman/Hibbert/Melo?
     
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    I know this is coming off a great team effort the day after a playoff win, but the recent actions of certain players (Rondo), and the aging of others (Garnett and Allen) makes the moves this offseason so imperative for the future success of the Celtics.   Rondo is a very talented point guard, but we have seen and heard his meltdowns and primadonna antics both on and off the court, to the point where Danny Ainge was actively shopping him this season.  Getting ejected from Game 1 for me was the icing on the cake.  Im not sure who saw it, but Doc Rivers had a look of disgust on his face after Rondo bumped the ref.  It is time to trade Rajon Rondo, and see what we can get for him.  He has a very affodable contract and should be easy to move. The answer to the Rondo conundrum is Deron Williams.  How do you entice this superstar point guard to come to Boston and dawn the Green???  You go get the big man player he wanted to play with if he were to have stayed with the Nets....Dwight Howard!!!  Even though Dwight is a whiner complainer like Rondo, if i had to choose between wich one I wanted on my team...I would take Dwight Howard every day of the week.  There is zero chance Dwight plays another game for the Orlando Magic, and the Celtics need to replace Kevin Garnett with another big man. If this were to all go down...the Celtics would have their PG, their Swingman, anf their Big Man to build around, and from seeing the Celtics reserve players this season and postseason thus far, we have a pretty good core all ready.  The only thing i would want to add is a sharp shooter type.  Lets face it, its impossible to replace the shooting talents of Ray Allen, but maybe we can find someone who can knock down some 3's consistently.  It would be very interesting if the Celtics drafted Doc's son Austin Rivers from Duke in the draft.
    Posted by sox4life2280

    Getting Howard, I agree with you...I would love it !!! And Deron has not played super star status this year...how can one be that motivated playing with the NETS ? Bynum & Howard are the 2 best BIG MEN in the game. We really haven't dominated under the boards since Parrish, McHale & Bird days. We are a good jump shooting team and have had some PGs who can dribble to the basket and/or make an assist but mostly to another to make a jump shot. Rondo is very good in many categories but still not in the class of Rose, Westbrook, Paul etc. in being able to score. Dominating Big Men are very hard to get. PGs are easier & look how A.Bradley has developed. What if we get Doc's son ! Would be nice to have +10 in rebounds for a change & also someone who can block 3-5 shots which also gives us a chance to retain the ball.

    Get Howard/Deron Williams packaging Rondo & others.... Yes Indeed. I live in SF Bay area...am I California Dreaming ???  Of course, if we could get D.Howard to come without D. Williams just trading Rondo for Howard straight up, I'd do that too as I said PGs are easier to get/develop than Dominating centers !
     
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    Beasley's option has to be picked up by 6/30.
    There's no way Minnesota will pick up the $8m option which would mean Beasley will be an unrestricted free agent on 7/1.
    If Minnesota picked up the option then he would be a restricted free agent.
     
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    I LIKE the team of Rondo - Mayo - Green - Humphies and KG
    with Bradley - Pietrus - Pierce - Bass and Steamer/Melo

    but do we have enough money to sign them all?  We may have to consider EITHER Mayo or Humphries ( I prefer the latter) and draft the other position!
     
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    I do think we need to make some calculated offseason moves.  First order of business is obtaining an NBA center. Second, I think we have to get a "real" PF.  A real one who can play 35 effective (offense, defense, rebounding) minutes per night.  It's obvious Brandon Bass is a small forward.  He's a big small forward who does NOTHING well but "shoot the mid-range jump shot".  That's it!  There is not one area of BB's game that merits starting PF status.  Honestly, he would be a fool to opt out of his $4M option and seek more money on the open market.  He had a decent season but he is being totally exposed for his overall deficiencies during the first couple of playoff games. If we had to resort to a five-five-five thing with KG this season, I'd hate to see what we'd have to resort to next season if we re-signed him.  That's a tough one because he still has significant value but we'd still have to get a solid backup PF behind him because next season we might have to do four-four-four with him. We HAVE to convince Ray to stay in a backup role.  I am not used to seeing a Celtics team struggle so much with the perimeter shot when WE ARE A PERIMETER SHOOTING TEAM.  We "should" attempt to keep Pietrus too although he oftentimes can't hit the side of a barn standing right next to it (does he even follow thru on his jumper).  But he does play tough defense and you cannot discount that.
    Posted by Petey62


    Excellent post!  I completely agree with your observations on BB.  He is perceived as having a great year because of Rondo's greatness.  He can hit the open mid-range jumper and rebound some.  Other than that, he does not do much.

    The Celts transformed the season when they moved KG to 5 and BB to 4.  That finally put 4 players capable of scoring on the floor.  Allowed Rondo to flourish.  Earlier, JON and Perk were offensive duds.

    As I think of off season and free agents, I feel that the Celts will have to overbid a little to get players.  There are teams like Nets, Kings and Hornets that will be way below the cap and motivated to stock up.  Will will be possible to sign Kaman for an overpaid backup 5 contract?  Hopefully that will be much lower than than an overpaid starting 5 contract.

    My thinking is that if you replace BB by Kaman, you retain your jump shooting offense and defensive rebounding abilities.  KG can move to 4.  Cover the backup 2 with Ray and hope for another draft hit.  Now, suddenly, a very capable roster starts emerging again.
     
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    I know this is coming off a great team effort the day after a playoff win, but the recent actions of certain players (Rondo), and the aging of others (Garnett and Allen) makes the moves this offseason so imperative for the future success of the Celtics.   Rondo is a very talented point guard, but we have seen and heard his meltdowns and primadonna antics both on and off the court, to the point where Danny Ainge was actively shopping him this season.  Getting ejected from Game 1 for me was the icing on the cake.  Im not sure who saw it, but Doc Rivers had a look of disgust on his face after Rondo bumped the ref.  It is time to trade Rajon Rondo, and see what we can get for him.  He has a very affodable contract and should be easy to move. The answer to the Rondo conundrum is Deron Williams.  How do you entice this superstar point guard to come to Boston and dawn the Green???  You go get the big man player he wanted to play with if he were to have stayed with the Nets....Dwight Howard!!!  Even though Dwight is a whiner complainer like Rondo, if i had to choose between wich one I wanted on my team...I would take Dwight Howard every day of the week.  There is zero chance Dwight plays another game for the Orlando Magic, and the Celtics need to replace Kevin Garnett with another big man. If this were to all go down...the Celtics would have their PG, their Swingman, anf their Big Man to build around, and from seeing the Celtics reserve players this season and postseason thus far, we have a pretty good core all ready.  The only thing i would want to add is a sharp shooter type.  Lets face it, its impossible to replace the shooting talents of Ray Allen, but maybe we can find someone who can knock down some 3's consistently.  It would be very interesting if the Celtics drafted Doc's son Austin Rivers from Duke in the draft.
    Posted by sox4life2280

    of course would be easy to finf a taker for Rondo.The best pure point guard in the nba.What Deron Williams has done in his career ?
     
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    I LIKE the team of Rondo - Mayo - Green - Humphies and KG with Bradley - Pietrus - Pierce - Bass and Steamer/Melo but do we have enough money to sign them all?  We may have to consider EITHER Mayo or Humphries ( I prefer the latter) and draft the other position!
    Posted by hedleylamarr

     I like this scenario and agree with the choice of the two.

     
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    Ainge trading Rondo in the offseason.
    That's gotta be about 20 to 1.
    At this point, just wishful thinking by those posters who focus more on
    his weaknesses than his strengths.
    We do need a big man who can board and provide an interior presence on D.
     
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    Winning and losing aside, rondo is an exciting player who is fun to watch.  He sells tickets and draws audiences...something the c's will need when the big 3 are done.
     
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    Put enough green in his pocket, and green will become his favorite color!!
     
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    In Response to Possible offseason moves to think about..... : Getting Howard, I agree with you...I would love it !!! And Deron has not played super star status this year...how can one be that motivated playing with the NETS ? Bynum & Howard are the 2 best BIG MEN in the game. We really haven't dominated under the boards since Parrish, McHale & Bird days. We are a good jump shooting team and have had some PGs who can dribble to the basket and/or make an assist but mostly to another to make a jump shot. Rondo is very good in many categories but still not in the class of Rose, Westbrook, Paul etc. in being able to score. Dominating Big Men are very hard to get. PGs are easier & look how A.Bradley has developed. What if we get Doc's son ! Would be nice to have +10 in rebounds for a change & also someone who can block 3-5 shots which also gives us a chance to retain the ball. Get Howard/Deron Williams packaging Rondo & others.... Yes Indeed. I live in SF Bay area...am I California Dreaming ???  Of course, if we could get D.Howard to come without D. Williams just trading Rondo for Howard straight up, I'd do that too as I said PGs are easier to get/develop than Dominating centers !
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    You are too stupid, you say RONDO is not like the other PGs in the league. They concentrate on offense than being a PG.n So the only PG here is RONDO. Those PG's you have named are offense. There has been times when RONDO has scored when he has needed too. He makes it look easy going to the basket. RONDO stays. I dont want a knucklehead like Westbrook or Williams here they would not be able to handle the pressure here. RONDO is the right man for the job in BEANTOWN. Westbrook doesn't realize his role. OFTEN trying to steal the limelight from KD. DWill is not happy he just doesn't play. ROSE is injured prone and not a right fit. DEFINITION OF PG - pass first get team involved, if needed the last option is the PG for offense. IT IS NOT shoot first and IF some REASON I am stuck I may pass the BALL.
     
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    Rondo bumped somebody. Big deal. He's young and hot headed. Of course Doc was upset. But he's not gonna trade him. Pierce made an emotional blunder in the playoffs a few years back; it would have been real smart if we'd gotten rid of him, wouldn't it. Rondo's the most talented player this team has drafted in many, many moons, probably since Pierce. Be happy you have him and stop whining about his disposition. Larry Bird wasn't exactly Mr. Personality, either.
     
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