In response to Fierce34's comment:
In response to Mployee8's comment:
Like I said then ... the C's could have signed their own FA's last and gone over the cap doing so. By clearing or renouncing all the old bodies and deadwood on their cap holds they could have created space to sign Lee w/o using the MLE had they gotten Terry in a S&T.
> I said renouncing the deadwood and old players still on their cap hold not their own FA's they intended to resign.
I believe the entire hold up in signing contracts last year was a result of Danny and his team realizing that if they could work a S&T for Terry then they could cut that deadwood, negotiate their own players new contracts down some and create that space. But the whole thing hinged on Terry since they had promised him $5M or so. When they couldn't work a S&T then they had to commit to the MLE for him and that sealed the teams fate.
Just because 2005 was the last time it was done doesn't mean it was undoable again. The right situation has to arise and for the C's it did with KG, Green & Bass being up for new contracts and a bunch of expiring one year deals that could be let go in favor of an upgrade.
Like I said, the Celtics didn't exploit that loophole last summer. No other team has exploited that loophole since 2005. And that loophole was permanently closed once the new set of cap rules was implemented after the lockout of 2012.
> The Lockout was in 2011 and the loophole was not closed by new cap rules if a team is able to reduce or eliminate the cap hold.
Sure the Celts could have opted not to use the MLE and became a team below the salary cap. But that mean no Jeff Green, no Bass, and no Lee.
> They didn't have to become a team under the salary cap. They just needed to eliminate enough cap holds to free up room. Green & Bass both had Bird Rts so there is no circumstance where the C's couldn't resign them unless they didn't want them.
Remember, the salary cap was around 58m last season.
Rondo - 11m
Pierce - 16.79m
Total - 27.79m
Add KG's new deal of 11.57m and that total goes up to 39.36m.
Doing a S&T for Terry would add another 5m. So that's 39.36 + 5 = 44.36m
Now, AB, Sully, and Melo will total 4.15m.
44.36 + 4.15 = 48.51m
Rondo, Pierce, KG, Terry, AB, Sully, and Melo will total 48.51m. That's 7 players already and you still need 6 more players to reach the minimum of 13 players.
Like I said, it's either the Celts go over the cap or go under. And the first step to becoming a team under the cap is by renouncing all your free-agents.
So how can you sign your own free-agents to go over the cap when you already renounced them?
You seem to think a team has to declare their intent to be under or over the cap with their final team salary and that's not the case when it comes to being able to sign a free agent. A team only needs to be under the Cap Hold to sign free agents. They must resign any other player without Bird Rts as well before going over the cap. Once they've reached the cap limit they can then resign their own FA's holding Bird Rts and go over the cap.
So if the C's had renounced the deadwood that's been on the cap hold for ten years or more and waived the players they didn't intend to resign or use in S&T's, then they could have created enough cap space for Lee with Ray and his cap hold gone after renouncement. Then if they had been able to get Terry via S&T they could have preserved the MLE for another player once they signed their own FA's with Bird Rts (Bass, Green & KG all had Bird Rts) going over the cap as well as VM contracts as needed to fill the roster if needed.
There's no ruling in the new CBA to prevent that again other than the Commissioner now having broad authority to negate a deal if he feels it's outside the intent of the new CBA.
Crickets from Fungus34 as expected ... Mr Capologist has no explanation other than "the new CBA changed that." More lies and CVA by the fungus just like his lack of knowledge with the S&T as BoxSoxJoe proved.