Rebounding: Addition by Subtraction

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    concord27 is saying the Celts didn't address this problem. Not totally true. By removing Ray and JO the Celts got younger. That means more hustle from younger players. Celts have more chance of getting those 50-50 balls with Lee and Wilcox, Bass, or even Sully than if the Celts had Ray and JO with Pierce, KG, and Rondo.  The main reason why the Celts didn't get a big who can rebound, like Kris Humphries, is because the Celts simply couldn't afford them. Humphries got 12m per and Ilyasova got 9m per. Totally out of the Celts price range. The only way the Celts could have gotten those players is if the Celts renounced all their FAs to free up cap room. Overall the Celts got better in rebounding by just becoming a younger team. Right now it's true the Celts will not be like the Lakers when it comes to rebounding. But as long as the Celts are a decent rebounding team, then the Celts will always be a threat to every NBA team on any given night.
    Posted by Fiercest34


    QUESTION: WHO WILL BE THE BETTER $9M/pr FREE AGENT SIGNING: JEFF GREEN OR Ilyasova ? Is Ilyasova hyped or is he really a bigtime power forward ?
    And would Ilyasova be a better fit with the Celtics than Jeff Green ?


     
     
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    In Response to Rebounding: Addition by Subtraction : QUESTION: WHO WILL BE THE BETTER $9M/pr FREE AGENT SIGNING: JEFF GREEN OR Ilyasova ? Is Ilyasova hyped or is he really a bigtime power forward ? And would Ilyasova be a better fit with the Celtics than Jeff Green ?  
    Posted by PHX85014


    ...Green

     
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    The main reason why the Celts didn't get a big who can rebound, like Kris Humphries, is because the Celts simply couldn't afford them.
    Posted by Fiercest34


    Correct!

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    In Response to Re: Rebounding: Addition by Subtraction : It was so frustrating watching Ray just let an opposing player get an offensive rebound because he was not boxing out. And as far as I can remember, I never saw Ray dive for a loose ball.
    Posted by Fiercest34


    Watch the games without you Anti-Ray glasses! I (and other here as well) saw Ray diving for lose balls last post season and also saw him grabbing crucial rebounds in the crunch time which won a game for us. Ray is not a worse rebounder that AB and had good rebounding #'s in last years playoffs.

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    In Response to Re: Rebounding: Addition by Subtraction : Pierce, Ray, and KG's rebounding numbers all went down starting in 2010. The stats are consistent, as the Big 3 grew old, they got worse in the rebounding department. Posted by Fiercest34


    Just checked the stats and for the regulas season. For me it is difficult to make this jugment based on the stats of Ray and Pierce especially if you consider the minutes per game. At least the trend is very weak and cannot explain our total drop.

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    In Response to Re: Rebounding: Addition by Subtraction : In the 10 games that Ray started in the playoffs, the Celts only won the rebounding battle twice, Game 6 against the Sixers and Game 3 against the Heat. When Bradley was starting, the Celts outrebounded the Hawks in 3 of the 6 games of the series. They also outrebounded Philly in 2 of the first 4 games when Bradley was still starting. So without Bradley the Celts went 2-8. With Bradley the Celts went 5-5.
    Posted by Fiercest34


    You really think that is caused by the 2 boards/game by AB and his nose for lose balls? There is no correlation with the opponents getting better as you make a deeper run to the playoffs, KG being gased in the last games or Pierce getting injured and could't board to save his life (especially against James)? It is all AB vs. Allen, really? Wow, what an effect AB on our rebounding has in 25 minutes/game and with 2 bad shoulders.
     
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    In Response to Re: Rebounding: Addition by Subtraction : Why do you compute for per 36 mins when what you should be computing is actual stats. You're manipulating the facts! 2007-08  KG - 9.2 rpg Pierce - 5.1 rpg Ray - 3.7 rpg 2008-09 KG - 8.5 rpg Pierce - 5.6 rpg Ray - 3.5 rpg 2009-10 KG - 7.3 rpg Pierce - 4.4 rpg Ray - 3.2 rpg 2010-11 KG - 8.9 rpg Pierce - 5.4 rpg Ray - 3.4 rpg 2011-12 KG - 8.2 rpg Pierce - 5.2 rpg Ray - 3.1 rpg Now tell me if the Big 3's numbers in rebounding didn't go down since 2009. Seriously, why are you using per 36 mins when you can use the actual rebounds per game.
    Posted by Fiercest34


    ...(sigh) As usual smh 
     
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    Question -- if a player grabs a "loose ball"...does this count as a rebound? For example, if the ball bounces off the rim or backboard and then bounces on the floor and is then grabbed by a player.
     
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    Makes sense...a rebound signals a new posession...it does not matter how it came about. So it's not all about height...speed, energy(youth) and enthusiasm help a lot. I keep hoping that Doc will...one of these years...limit the minutes of the Big Old 3 (now the Big Old 2) so that PP and KG can be fresh at the end.
     
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    So basically Pierce in '08 and Bynum in '10 are the same thing you blame player effort going after the boards (or a lack of a player with reb skills on he team) and I say injuries are a BIGGER PROBLEM. It is quite clear to say that if player A.B,C and D were not hurt a team leading through 3 quarters of TWO game 7's likely advances.. And I am right, obv. injuries happen, injuries to the C's happened and kept them from winning, so you saying the teams didn't deserve to win b/c they didn't huslte, were too short and Danny didn't make _________ unknown move to help are all negative cowardly excuses when the injury 'excuse' was clearly the BIGGER obstacle to a title. If LA lost in '10 they could point to Bynum's injury (that really only limited him in 1-2 games) as a reason, b/c it prob would've been a contributing factor, or Kobe's 6-24 when he was not hurt (Ray's 4-28 was obv. due to an INJURY). Many teams got to raise banners b/c they were healthy, many teams were going home ringless b/c injuries happened... we are talking about the bigger reason we lost. complaining about 50-50 balls, the fact that we depending on a fat headcase who sat behind the 3 line or a fat 6'7" PF with alligator arms is neither here nor there, that was a title team without injuries and the '12 squad prob was as well
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    What a moron. Wasn't 2010 when Kobe played with a torn ligament in his shooting hand and broken pinky finger for the ENTIRE season including that game 7 in which his team won the title? Not to mention the other injuries incurred throughout that year. You need to research more before you post, as you look very foolish.

    http://dimemag.com/2010/01/kobe-bryants-mounting-injuries-raising-red-flags/
     
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    In Response to Re: Rebounding: Addition by Subtraction : What a moron. Wasn't 2010 when Kobe played with a torn ligament in his shooting hand and broken pinky finger for the ENTIRE season including that game 7 in which his team won the title? Not to mention the other injuries incurred throughout that year. You need to research more before you post, as you look very foolish. http://dimemag.com/2010/01/kobe-bryants-mounting-injuries-raising-red-flags/
    Posted by BynumizaHERO


    So.....it only bothered him the one game??
     
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    In Response to Re: Rebounding: Addition by Subtraction : So.....it only bothered him the one game??
    Posted by hedleylamarr


    My guess would be no, but he did come through in the end of that game with a nice jumper over PP and some clutch free throws.
     
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    In Response to Re: Rebounding: Addition by Subtraction : That's why by getting younger the Celts solved part of the rebounding problem. I mean how many times have we seen JO and Ray just stand there not going after a rebound or a loose ball. Last season I never saw Ray dive on the floor to fight for a loose ball.
    Posted by Fiercest34


    1. Lee and AB are not better rebounders than Ray.
    2. Ray did rebound very well last post season (Pierce didn't by the way)
    3. You better watch the pictures in the thread you opened more carefully than you watch the games.

    Why do you always go overboard about Ray that much? Do you really think a new SG will solve our rebounding issues? It won't. Changing the SG is not the answer for rebounding issues. Especially not if our former SG was a above average rebounder at his position (and one of your future SG guards is only 6.2). Our rebounding issues were on the 5, until KG moves to 5 and at the 4 afterwards. In the postseason, especially against miami it was also the SF position were we get killed on the boards.
     
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    In Response to Re: Rebounding: Addition by Subtraction : It's even more exclusive if you factor in only two of them did it in a league with more than 10 teams and a 3pt line.
    Posted by LAL 32



    Yes, but we dont' factor in what you want, just the truth!
     
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    In Response to Re: Rebounding: Addition by Subtraction : Let's just revisit this subject in November. There's no point in arguing over a Miami Heat player. Ray Allen best shooter in NBA history. But other than shooting he doesn't do anything else. Not a good defender, not a good passer, shaky ball-handler, and he doesn't even hustle! I asked everyone to find a video of Ray Allen on the floor, diving for a loose ball, in last season's playoffs. Nobody found one. I mean it's a highlight if you see Ray on the floor because that rarely happens. And I watched every playoff game the Celts played in last season.
    Posted by Fiercest34

    Of course we can discuss in november. But it is a fact that Ray (as great shooter he is) shot horrible last postseason until he went back to his routine. Not even his biggest supporter can say different. It is also a fact:
    1) Ray rebounded well last post season (Pierce didn't). And is a better rebounder than Lee and AB so far.
    2) Ray played above average defense for most games last postseason. (Was mentioned several times from the broadcasters, users of this forum and can be seen from the stats of his opponents)
    3) If you had watched the games, or just some pictures in your thread you see him on the floor winning a loose ball.
    4) He had VERY FEW turnovers (he always had low #'s for the Cs but last post season was really impressive low). Ray the turn over machine (like folks here used to call him) is just a fairy tale.

    These are the facts. You are a Ray hater for years, so it is clear that you don't admit it, now or in november. But facts are facts.

    To claim a SG will solve our rebounding issues (and especially Lee and AB instead of Ray) is pure hate.
     
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