Rebounding

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    Rebounding

    Whatever the terrible Celtics stats on their rebounding, it just never becomes an urgent need.  Some have speculated that Doc does not value rebounding and prefers his players getting back on defense.  A banger is what is needed, a guy like Anderson Varajeo who you hate more than any player until he is on your team.

    Garnett and Varajeo would be the most intense ferocious front court in basketball
    One a defensive monster and the other a rebounding monster. Others have said it better than I, this team needs rebounding more than Courtney Lee.  I would love to have him but no rebounding no rings as they say. They say it because it is true especially on an old team. Who can possibly say we don't need a rebounder? 

    Terry, Rondo, Bradley, E'twan Moore, Kris Joseph, Dooling, are enough for now but rebounding sits as the elephant in the room.


     
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    Still no rebounding help for the Cs next season. DA miss the boat here.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Rebounding : True.
    Posted by Fiercest34[/QUOTE]

    May be a more limited peak but his limitations will keep in him the league. Williams probably is out.
     
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    [QUOTE]Still no rebounding help for the Cs next season. DA miss the boat here.
    Posted by Mchampion[/QUOTE]

    Absolutely!!
    When Perk was focused and driven, we got the 17th.
    We hired Brown to backup Perk, we got the 17th.
    Powe bvnged inside and we got the 17th.

    We lost the center service when Perk deteriorated, we replaced it a bunch of dinasaurs and old center. Nothing but a waste of medicare bills. Since then, we never had ring.
    Rebounding woes continue year after year and funny someone  said center
    no longer needed in NBA? Now, we got a lot of wings......horrray!
    Somehow, you need get the ball before you can run and gun.
    No rebound no ring.
     
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    There are 4-5 separate Discussions about Howard and rebounding and I posted this elsewhere but a good copy & paste here, I think:

    Anyone who does not feel the Lakers have improved is in denial like an Ostrich with its head in the sand. LA with just 3 stars, Gasol, Bynum & Kobe was always competitive because with their twin towers they usually outrebounded teams by 10+…that’s extra chances for them to put in the rebound or toss it out for another shot. Even mediocre shooters, except for Kobe, as per a blind chipmunk finally finding an acorn, can shoot 30-40% only with extra chances.  Our losses to them the last couple of years have been because we were outrebounded(yup, I know, hate to bring it up but were it not for the 41-18 egregious foul shot discrepancy, we’d won Game 7,  because we shot 40% to their 32% and Kobe on 6 for 24 or 25% but the extra foul shots & extra rebounds did us in).

    Orlando with only Howard as a superstar was very competitive---he just wasn’t enough---but now with Kobe and Nash, both ageing or not, they’ll still put in the basket from the perimeter when he tosses out the ball to him. I think he’s going to be even more effective in the post when they play both Gasol & Howard together as it’ll be tough for any team to double defend either one.  And, we know, Gasol can be as deadly as our own KG from 5-15 ft out.  With Howard too on defense it’ll make players driving to the basket more concerned with his ability to block shots.  The only way we can outrebound the Lakers is that our 6’-8”…6’8” wing players get missed balls 5-10 feet from the post and out hustle & out muscle the opponents.  We ain’t gonna win battles in the post !!!

    YUP, and I hate them, but this could make them as strong as they were when they first got Gasol. Their one big weakness is lack of a good bench.  The Magic have obviously kicked the can down the road hoping in next few years the 1st & 2nd draft choices will again make them competitve. But now we need worry about Philly with Bynum…we had a tough time with them needing to go to game 7 to put then away but I do believe they’ll miss Iguodala…hopefully for us !!! 
     
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    We have not addressed the rebounding and Philly and LA have.  We will see another season of games lost due to failing to keep the ball alive in key junctures of games.

    KG should be looked at as a good rebounder when alongside a Varajeo type of rebounder. KG will have a tough time doing it on a night in night out basis. DA and Doc are very short sighted.  It will come back and bite them.

    Speaking of Varajeo why don't we see what it takes to get him.  With him we could have a real chance.
     
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    Speaking of Varajeo why don't we see what it takes to get him.  With him we could have a real chance.

    Yes! I want him...Varajeo will bang inside
     
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    Varajeo is not the answer.  That is because the Celts have to optimize.  They need to get better than they are, as a whole.  They can't look to address a current issue by creating a bigger issue elsewhere.

    Varajeo would be ideal if Rondo was a better scorer.  But Rondo's brilliance is in setting up people.  So you can't take on scoring liability to improve rebounding.

    The Celts need to look to improve at 4.  That is their weakest position.  Also, their rebounding will improve this year.  Because I expect the younger players to have better reaction to the ball.

    The ideal deal for the Celts is Josh Smith.  Now that Atlanta is out of any DH dreams, DannyA may be able to do business with DannyF.  After all, they have done business before.
     
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    sullinger
    green
    wilcox
    collins....we will be better in rebounds...we won't be great but we will be better....and rondo is a good rebounder.
     
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    [QUOTE]We have not addressed the rebounding and Philly and LA have.  We will see another season of games lost due to failing to keep the ball alive in key junctures of games. KG should be looked at as a good rebounder when alongside a Varajeo type of rebounder. KG will have a tough time doing it on a night in night out basis. DA and Doc are very short sighted.  It will come back and bite them. Speaking of Varajeo why don't we see what it takes to get him.  With him we could have a real chance.
    Posted by concord27[/QUOTE]

    I agree with both you and CHEisCHE about trying to get Varajeo. KG is not a center. Yup, he can play it but he is thin and muscular but does not have the beef to compete with Bynum & Howard. Plus it would exhaust him to do so at his age. He is a great power forward deadly from 5-15 ft out & is best suited to complete against opponents' wing men at only 6'8"/6'9".

    Gasol, is thin and tall like KG and gifted shooting 5-15 ft out but he was able too to get rebounds easily because opponents were covering Bynum too & will be Howard also. So, Varajeo at 6'10", not a Bynum or Howard, but a feisty rebounder along with KG would make a very effective duo !!! And we have Wilcox too, not a 7 footer, but he with KG would be tough too(remember he got hurt last year). Josh Smith from Atlanta also at 6'9"/6'10" would also be a good pickup to play along KG.
     
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    not just rebounding but mashing around.  all we have is KG and maybe 6 minutes x 45 games of jason collins.  that's truly pathetic.  melo is not going to log a second for this team this year.  sullinger would be lucky to play at all too. 

    this is another sloppily assembled BOS roster when we're supposed to be "contending" with the complete absence of help for KG.  and bass is not help for KG, he's a back up 4 ONLY who cannot play 5. 

    as it is, just not to use up KG before the playoffs, we need someone to eat 20 minutes a night at the 5 without giving away the store.  collins has not played 20 minutes a night in the better part of 5-7 years. 

    are we to believe that sullinger is really the "solution"???  wilcox at 240 pounds and a fresh zipper in his chest?  i mean honestly.  GREAT JOB on shoring up the 1-3 spots and then crickets at the 5 and who knows what at the 4.  bass was exposed in last year's playoffs.  to put it mildly.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Rebounding : I agree! Don't expect a rooks to rebound. He'll end up polishing the bench. No rebound no ring!!  Same problem last season....why not address it?
    Posted by CHEisCHE[/QUOTE]

    danny must find this to be such a low priority that it's a trade deadline / last second released player band aid- like we can catch that whole PJ BROWN lightning in a bottle thing again.

    even if you had PJ brown to this team, he wouldn't do it- the team is 4 years older and thinner at the 5 and needs more help than he gave
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Rebounding : Collins is one of the worst rebounders in the NBA. He hasn't averaged 3 rpg since the 2006-07 season. Green is not a good rebounder and Wilcox is a decent rebounder. Nobody knows if Sullinger will be able to rebound in the NBA.
    Posted by TommyRules[/QUOTE]

    you do know those are guys we didn't have last season...guys that can boxout people can grab rebounds...and why are you trying to pick on sullinger? numbers say he will more than it says he won't.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Rebounding : So, do you want Sullinger to play over Bass? When Sullinger plays a better player is sitting on the bench. Sullinger is in horrendous shape, especially for a young guy. Sullinger had the worst scores at the NBA pre-draft workouts. Sullinger will struggle big time in the NBA because he can't shoot over anyone.
    Posted by TommyRules[/QUOTE]

    if it makes you sleep at night...keep thinking that...sullinger in horrendous shape? what are you talking about? summer league he looked good...sullinger comming of the bench will help big time..the guy draws fouls he gets to the line...
     
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    [QUOTE]not just rebounding but mashing around.  all we have is KG and maybe 6 minutes x 45 games of jason collins.  that's truly pathetic.  melo is not going to log a second for this team this year.  sullinger would be lucky to play at all too.  this is another sloppily assembled BOS roster when we're supposed to be "contending" with the complete absence of help for KG. 
    Posted by aciemvp[/QUOTE]

    Sloppily put together roster?  The only hole I see is at 4.  Yes, Bass was exposed last year.  That is why I don't believe that he will end the year in Boston.  But this roster allows Doc to play Paul at 2, 3 or 4 depending upon the situation.

    For everybody that questions Bass and Green signing, remember that for an over the cap team, you need to match salary for mid-season moves.  Along with that, you need salary filler contracts.  Bass, Green and the 12-15 spot are those chips.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Rebounding : Collins is one of the worst rebounders in the NBA. He hasn't averaged 3 rpg since the 2006-07 season. Green is not a good rebounder and Wilcox is a decent rebounder. Nobody knows if Sullinger will be able to rebound in the NBA.
    Posted by TommyRules[/QUOTE]

    Ditto re: Collins

    In 10+ years has never scored more than 10 pts or grabbed more than 10 rebounds...he's in the 3-7 range in those categories. 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Rebounding : Sloppily put together roster?  The only hole I see is at 4.  Yes, Bass was exposed last year.  That is why I don't believe that he will end the year in Boston.  But this roster allows Doc to play Paul at 2, 3 or 4 depending upon the situation. For everybody that questions Bass and Green signing, remember that for an over the cap team, you need to match salary for mid-season moves.  Along with that, you need salary filler contracts.  Bass, Green and the 12-15 spot are those chips.
    Posted by prakash[/QUOTE]

    Maybe get Green going again, show the world he is healthy and back to his old self, and package up Bass, Green, and maybe one of the recent draftees together and go get Josh Smith from Atlanta. That could be a game changer for the Celtics. 

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Rebounding : Sloppily put together roster?  The only hole I see is at 4.  Yes, Bass was exposed last year.  That is why I don't believe that he will end the year in Boston.  But this roster allows Doc to play Paul at 2, 3 or 4 depending upon the situation. For everybody that questions Bass and Green signing, remember that for an over the cap team, you need to match salary for mid-season moves.  Along with that, you need salary filler contracts.  Bass, Green and the 12-15 spot are those chips.
    Posted by prakash[/QUOTE]

    then you assume:

    1) KG at the 5 x 82 games is really a good idea
    2) KG won't get hurt
    3) collins will perform some unlikely role
    4) sullinger, a rookie with limited rise, will perform some unlikely role
    5) green at 9M a year is an advisable move- that's a big chunk TO the salary cap
    6) KG at 11M per year was a good move.  KG should have come to the table and signed for 1-3M like shak did.  or not at all

    you take the difference in the KG money, sign green at 5M and your cap problems are gone and you cna get yourself a dandy 5
     
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