Rebounds

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    Rebounds

     the team needs rebounds more than any thing else. it should be the number one priority. they keep talking about perimeter defense, but this team has been pathetic at rebounding for the last two years, and getting rid of perkins only made it worse
     
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    amen
     
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    top 3 rebounding teams this season are 

    1. Oklahoma City
    2. Chicago
    3. Miami

     that should tell you something,  OKC 47.4 rpg, + 6 over opposition, chicago gets
    43 rebounds but has a plus 7 differential
     whereas Celtics only get 39 rebounds a game, and have a negative differential;

     and some of that includes when Shaq was playing; we had no rebounding to begin with and Ainge traded away his center. the guy is  a total imbecile.
    no rebounds, no rings- most obvious fact in nba
     
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     the team needs rebounds more than any thing else. it should be the number one priority. they keep talking about perimeter defense, but this team has been pathetic at rebounding for the last two years, and getting rid of perkins only made it worse
    Posted by bramrok


    The best way for the Cs to start being a better rebounding team is to miss more shots.
     
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    There are two ways to rebound the basketball. The first and most obvious is to box out.  If everyone boxes out then you should get the rebound. The trouble is the Celtics play a rotating defense. When the defense rotates it becomes very difficult to box out. It also become much easier for a good offensive rebounder to obtain good position to grab an offensive rebound. Dennis Rodman was an expert at this.

    The second way to grab a rebound is quickness to the ball. Hand-eye quickness and coordinated hands. You don't have to be a tremendous athlete from a jumping stand point but you need the hand quickness and desire. The Celtics have two players with this ability. Rondo and Paul Pierce are the only two. The problem here is that Rondo is a point guard and I am not sure Paul Pierce has this skill anymore.

    Guys like Big Baby, Garnett, and our former glamour center (Perk) need to carve out space and have the ball come to them. If a ball is close to them sometimes they just can't get to the ball. The reason Perk had some good rebound games at times was he took up space and had the ball come to him. When it would come to grabbing a rebound that he had to go get he was no better than any of the other guys I mentioned above.

    The Celtics need someone at the 4 who can go get the ball especially with a rotating defense. This person does not neccearily have to be a great athlete (see Bird and Love) but someone who can grab a board. Have you noticed how lots of time even when the Celtics grab a rebound it gets tipped or bounced around a bit. Garnett grabs boards but it is due to his length and were the ball bounces. We need to find someone with a quickness to the ball skill set.   
     
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    The Celtics by design are not a offensive rebounding team and that was true with Kendrick Chamberlain on the roster. They feel they are better off getting back on defense and denying the break and defending the half court.

    The Perkins trade was a gamble. It was predicated IMO on a few elements:

    It was rolling the dice that the two O'Neals would be available for the post season. Half of that turned out to be true, the other half was not. Add to this that Kristic got bone bruises on both knees and the center positon ended up under manned. Everybody is all over Baby and hitting him on his weight but he has been playing since March with a bad knee himself.

    Once Daniels went down the C's only back-up for Paul Pierce was Von Wafer. The road to the Finals was lined with Anthony and James. No team aside from Orlando had a dominant center to contend with. The 3 was a huge hole for the C's.

    Perkins as a UFA was going to leave at the end of the year. Green gives the C's a chance to get younger because he is a RFA. Oh and he was by far the best player in the trade.

     
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    The Celtics by design are not a offensive rebounding team and that was true with Kendrick Chamberlain on the roster. They feel they are better off getting back on defense and denying the break and defending the half court. The Perkins trade was a gamble. It was predicated IMO on a few elements: It was rolling the dice that the two O'Neals would be available for the post season. Half of that turned out to be true, the other half was not. Add to this that Kristic got bone bruises on both knees and the center positon ended up under manned. Everybody is all over Baby and hitting him on his weight but he has been playing since March with a bad knee himself. Once Daniels went down the C's only back-up for Paul Pierce was Von Wafer. The road to the Finals was lined with Anthony and James. No team aside from Orlando had a dominant center to contend with. The 3 was a huge hole for the C's. Perkins as a UFA was going to leave at the end of the year. Green gives the C's a chance to get younger because he is a RFA. Oh and he was by far the best player in the trade.
    Posted by fivekatz


    Good post five katz. I do think however that people are focusing on the offensive rebounding thing a bit too much. You are right in that they don't want to be a offensive rebounding team. My concern however (you probably agree with me) is
     they must get better with the defensive rebounding.   
     
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    In Response to Re: Rebounds : If "No Hands" Green was the best player in the trade someone should be shot, and quickly.  Mad Scientist Danny Ainge destroyed the team and it's chemistry with his disasterous moves and lack of obtaining decent free agents. Shaq and Jermaine just didn't cut it, one was too old and chubby, one was too brittle and injury prone. It doesn't matter if they couldn't have kept Perkins after the season...loosing him made them unable to seriously compete for a title this year, the last chance during the big 3's era. You must be sucking on the Jim Jones juice if you think they have any sort of chance to get a title next year. Erden would have been superior to Kneepads Kristic as a  center.  Once Perkins was gone, NO ONE feared driving the lane on the Celts. Offensive rebounders had a field day against them for the rest of the year. Green the best player? He's a not-very-tough player who the OKC team felt very happy trading away to us. We are the suckers in this trade.
    Posted by jfaust1954


    Are you saying NBA teams feared driving the Celtics lane cause of Perk?? Tell me the things he did to make that possible? 

    How come all those teams had such problems when the C's had the best record in the East w/o Perk playing the entire season to that point??

    The reason players get into the paint is usually because they beat their defender off the dribble (see our backcourt)... just because Perk had a mean scowl didnt make him fearful.,... Perk wasnt knocking players to the ground or meeting them with forearm shivers... the guy doesnt move well at all


     
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    There are two ways to rebound the basketball. The first and most obvious is to box out.  If everyone boxes out then you should get the rebound. The trouble is the Celtics play a rotating defense. When the defense rotates it becomes very difficult to box out. It also become much easier for a good offensive rebounder to obtain good position to grab an offensive rebound. Dennis Rodman was an expert at this. The second way to grab a rebound is quickness to the ball. Hand-eye quickness and coordinated hands. You don't have to be a tremendous athlete from a jumping stand point but you need the hand quickness and desire. The Celtics have two players with this ability. Rondo and Paul Pierce are the only two. The problem here is that Rondo is a point guard and I am not sure Paul Pierce has this skill anymore. Guys like Big Baby, Garnett, and our former glamour center (Perk) need to carve out space and have the ball come to them. If a ball is close to them sometimes they just can't get to the ball. The reason Perk had some good rebound games at times was he took up space and had the ball come to him. When it would come to grabbing a rebound that he had to go get he was no better than any of the other guys I mentioned above. The Celtics need someone at the 4 who can go get the ball especially with a rotating defense. This person does not neccearily have to be a great athlete (see Bird and Love) but someone who can grab a board. Have you noticed how lots of time even when the Celtics grab a rebound it gets tipped or bounced around a bit. Garnett grabs boards but it is due to his length and were the ball bounces. We need to find someone with a quickness to the ball skill set.   
    Posted by calvinator


    Good post.. You're absolutely correct about the rebounding and that was never more evident than in the finals last year when the C's couldnt grab a rebound... more like trying to tip it to themselves if it was in arms reach
     
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    You get what you coach.

    This team coached defense first and abandoned the offensive glass. They started getting back on every shot and some of this is due to age, I'm sure. Nobody even followed their own shots! As fivekatz noted, this was by design.

    The game begins with the ball. Coach that and you'll have 5 snarling dogs getting it for you. Of course, it helps if they are young dogs.
     
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    The getting back on defense policy is apparently borne out by the numbers. As a fan, I love the offensive rebound. It's my favorite play in basketball. I don't see the effectiveness of not banging in crunch time, though, when teams are slowing it down. You're not going to be beaten down the court. In crunch time you can really wear your opponent out mentally by getting a second chance after they've stopped you. I finally saw the stat ppp which is what really counts. When you need a basket, you keep on attacking until you score. No one cares how many shots it took. In fact, it's better if you get 3 chances. That's a way to truly dominate, abd demoralize your opponent. We've gotten away from Celtic basketball, designed by Red, that would still be effective today.
     
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    jeff green is so good that doc chose to have the inept big baby davis on the court in crunch time for the most part and the one time green was in there in the elimination game 5 he missed a layup and fumbled the pass from pierce out of bounds. green was so overrated; the best player in the deal was perkins. okc made out like bandits.
     
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